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Abortion.
So I just read a tearjerker story (in a very liberal publication: The New Yorker) about a woman who grew up without a mother because her mother decided to perform a self-induced abortion. So, obviously, this woman thinks that legal abortions are necessary to prevent women from attempting self-induced abortions and dying in the process.
What I don't understand is, why doesn't anyone ever asks the most obvious question? Why not put the child up for adoption? In that scenario, the mother would still be alive. Her daughter may someday be reunited with her adopted sibling. Why should the termination of life be the go to solution?
Because people don't just get abortions because they don't want to raise a child. Simply being pregnant can totally screw up a life. It can make you lose your job, your health, your friends, your money, and your independence. Abortion is an option. So is adoption. They solve different problems.
Also, the process of adoption is both long and costly. Those who wish to adopt a child can be put through a process that could take years to get through all the red tape and while I agree a person should be vetted, it is very difficult and expensive. Added to the cost of actually raising a child it may not be an option for a number of people.
People who cannot understand that in 'the heat of the moment' unsuppressable passion takes control of your entire body including your powers of reasoning and a couple will do what nature intended and make beautiful love.
So, the female has to have her life ruined by the bully boys and moralistic women who spout their sanctimonious drivel filling the pregnant woman with feelings of terrible guilt if she declares her intention of terminate HER pregnancy.
If, as is regularly the case a youthful female succumbs to the moral blackmail from the ''holier-than-thou brigade and has her unwanted child, then her, young life will change forever and she will be denied the experience of enjoying the freedom of the best years of her life.
Who do these sexless twits think they are that they can try to apply their cockeyed, so called morals onto others.
If a female, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides she does not with to proceed with the pregnancy then that is her business and her business only.
Losing your job and losing your friends is a stretch. I can see the independence, monetary issues, and health problems arising. But losing a job? I don't think so. Yes, it is a given that going back to work with a child will be difficult, but I've seen women able to manage it and find jobs. Finding work has a lot to do with how determined you are no matter what situation you're in. It's just like finding a solution to a problem. You can sit down and sulk about your problems or actually fix it no matter how hard it can get. Same with work. You can sit down and be lazy and never have the heart to find work or actually look for something even though it's not the easiest thing to do.
Losing friends on the other hand because you got pregnant? that depends on the situation. If you messed around with your female friend's man and got pregnant, then hell yeah, you're losing that girl as your friend. But if you get pregnant without involving anything that will ruin ties with people and you lose your friends, then those aren't real friends. I think by the time that happens, that person should rethink what kind of friends she should be having.
A woman who gets an abortion does not have to give excuses to anyone or justify her actions to anyone , so it's really you who is talking hogwash which is par for the course for you
That's exactly what pro slavery people used to say. They said a person who chooses to own a slave does not have to give excuses to anyone or justify their actions to anyone!
It's sad that people like you have such short memories when it comes to the excuses for legalized inhumanity.
This is why you will always be banned from my debates. Your statement is just one more example of you insulting me and accusing me of being pro slavery without one example to prove your mindless deception.
This is all you do..... insult with no explanation to back it up.
Don't bother responsiding because I've already wasted too much time with the likes of you and the other waste of times I ban on this site.
Ah, maggot, my challenge still stands. Any argument of yours in the past 6 months, I could use for slavery. I've not been here before that to judge the earlier ones.
It stands only because you couldn't dare to do it earlier and just downvoted me as always, rather than me caring to offer it again when you're defeated already.
Your intellect would be pitiable if you were worth it.
Only a moron like you could bring slavery into this debate because you have nothing significant to say and as usual you downvote differing opinions to yours .
It's sad that people like you seem to assume you can tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body , you mister anti slavery seem to assume it's ok for you to dictate to a woman what she can do with her body ....isn't that what slavers used to do as in tell slaves what they could and couldn't do with their bodies .. ouch 🙀
Back a few hundred years ago there were these stupid Christians and others who actually thought they could tell a plantation owner what he could do with his slave. It's a privacy issue according to Liberals don't you know.
What a slave owner does in the privacy of his own plantation was none of people's business. IT WAS LEGAL JUST LIKE ABORTION.
They used the exact same arguments as you pro abortion extremists today.
Well actually it's you who fail to see that your inane argument was put to bed in my opening salvo , then again your stupidity is the stuff of legend as your daily rantings demonstrate beautifully.
American politics does not really interest me and your obsession with the democratic party shows how insecure you are .
Why do you speak of inhumanity when you think it's right and proper to tyrannise a woman by forcing your views on her ?
Yes, he is extremely obsessed with supporting the republicans of America. It's pretty annoying.
Though elective abortions are illegal in India - you still can have them done if you're lucky enough to find a corrupt doctor or something within 12 weeks. But can't blame them... Many abortions were forced on the woman if children were to be female. They had to illegalise pre birth sex determination too. It's pretty rough.
They have banned everything from dowry to pre birth sex determination, allowed women a part in the owned property of deceased parent, but still I've heard that the situation isn't so good in many remote areas.
The gap here between the both types of areas is actually impressive.
Also, unsurprisingly, it's actually a quite conservative position, and not merely a hypocritical one at that - the places are the most conservative ones in the country.
For ages, I'd heard about the western countries, mainly US, being liberal and rational utopias in most regards. But now I see that it was mostly false, probably a part of American propaganda and influence. Now it's just a country based on the fear of communism, whereas the Indian Constitution openly proclaims socialism since the 42nd amendment, 1977. That's just a few years after US and UK had allied with Pakistan and tried to attack India... the diplomatic situations were complex then... though one couldn't guess it by looking now.
I heard more or less the same nonsense about the US until I went to live there many years ago and my opinions about it being an easygoing and fairly carefree society quickly changed .
Would love to visit India some day and may do so yet
Yes, especially now that Trump is elected and is mocking the entire human pursuit of knowledge. It'd be funny if it weren't so tragic.
Now that I see it, I should have completed the description of the attack by some additional statements - If Russia (Soviet Union) had not intervened timely and caused their Navy to return by coming, say, it was delayed or something, the war could escalate enough that we wouldn't have a Pakistan on the map and America would have one more angry enemy in the Cold War. India already hated US-UK so much that many had considered joining the Axis in WWII just after independence from UK.
Just something you might prefer to know if you want to interpret Indian nationalism.
What about Ireland, though? All I know about it are the liberation movements of the Northern Ireland from UK... they probably want it to join the republic. It never came up in what I learned about Western History.
Trump is a loose cannon and an egotist what's more chilling is ihis Vice President Mike Pence an out and out nut job .
Actually there are a lot of similarities in both our countries in our struggles for independence and I remember reading an article about the similarities from history Ireland it's most interesting ....
The situation here is very complicated republicans would indeed support a united Ireland , the people of Nothern Ireland would be majority Protestant and loyalist and would resist any such change whilst the Catholics would support it .
I live in the Republic and a united Ireland and can not envisage a united Ireland anytime soon ,I often think the brits would prefer to be rid of it
Even many here would prefer Pakistan to join India, despite what they've made of themselves. But China won't let that happen... if they had not always been unfriendly to India and later allied with Pakistan, the connected land of [Greater] India, China and Russia would have been mutually better allies and much more powerful. But anyway, Pakistan is built of those who wanted a Muslim rule rather than a secular one. It's lucky that the British couldn't achieve so much with the Christianity they tried to preach.
It's rather painful to see that our former constituents of Pakistan and Bangledesh are now counted as poor countries.
I hope that Pakistan stops annoying us. Thanks to China, they now even have a nuclear arsenal. But it doesn't seem like they ever would...not like they can win, for they're basically barbarians. They're always doing something or the other to annoy India, from producing terrorists to violating peace treaties. If our government wasn't so abiding to international peace, we could easily annex Pakistan.
Bangladesh isn't so important...though it should have been a part since India liberated it from Pakistan's rule (in the war I talked about) by putting at stake a much greater war in a small army with some of the countries that had defeated Hitler's alliances and later the Soviet Union. Most of those were India's allies. But for what one might expect, our relations with Bangladesh are rather formal.
Pakistan, it seems, hates India for no important reason, and loves China a bit too much. They aren't too infrequent, either, for example, this is the last one I heard about
The Pakistanis seem to be a most savage nation and when one reads of atrocities like the one you cited by the military it makes for very sad reading .
An annex of Pakistan seems most sensible maybe future government may take the step unless of course it's all tied up agreements that are legally binding .
Thank you for the information it's good to hear fro one who knows firsthand .
Wow, I wish I could ban your mindless pathetic garbage. You are talking like an insane person saying a baby might not being innocent.
Then as i always say, your no fault moment of passion? ROFLOL, talk about denial of your personal responsibility to do the decent responsible thing.
Morons on the Left are the no fault fools who put no accountbility for drinking, taking illegal drugs, having unprotected sex, etc. etc.
WHAT FOOLS THEY ARE and our broken families are proving it.
Fools on the Left will say it's no problem when a father gets some woman pregnant and then abandons his child for the tax payers to support. This is the NO FAULT ANYTHING GOES culture.
You are 100% correct. The Democrat party will constantly use excuses that give you these tear jerker hypothetical examples, but never admit they adamately support the vast vast vast vast majority of abortions done purely for elective birth control reasons.
They refuse to compromise even on No restriction abortions of viable late term babies for any reason. They are tied at the hip with radical feminist and pro bortion lobbies. It's all about money and power and elections. They lack the simple humanity once possessed by most people.
The reason they don't want adoption rather than killing, is because we live in the no fault self love generation whereby they should not have to be inconvienenced for the irresponsible choices they make every day.
The inconvienence of carrying a baby to term, in their mind, justifies taking an innocent life. This is the self love culture from the Left.
This is the microwave self love culture whereby they want their cake, and they want to eat their cake now!
They want that hook up now, they want their one night stand now, they want their sex now and if they don't have birth control now, they will use abortion. They are like animals with no self control or moral thought of the possible consequences.
Nothing willl deter them from what they want to do at this very moment in time. No personal responsibilitry for their actions. No bothering with 9 months of pregnancy to save the life of the baby they chose to create with their selfish irresponsibility.
This denial of personal responsibility came about soon after the Left's fixation with the lie of separtion of Church and State. Without God, a nation's conscience and moral foundation shifts with the pleasures and personal convienence of the people.
Some women are just fuckin bitches and they don't care about the kid, it's just an inconvenience lmao. It's not something you'll ever hear a politician argue but it's bloody true xD
I think it's wonderful that some people are willing to put them up for adoption and others are willing to adopt. That's great.
Hey, uh, then why do we still have lots of abortions happening and few adoptions?
Oh, well there's a few reasons. First, many people can't or won't carry to term, for reasons already listed in the other arguments in this column.
Second, many don't have the resources for the medical upkeep leading up to the birth and adoption.
Third, these babies saved from abortion don't necessarily match what the altruistic adopters are looking for. Right or wrong, they have expectations on appearance, and they'd probably not adopt a baby born addicted to crack, or one with a known medical condition which may cripple or kill it later.
Fourth, despite people on these debate websites advocating adoption I have yet to meet a single one of them who had adopted anyone at all (except for one who adopted from within their own family - which I don't think is in the same category of argument).
Fifth, banning abortion does not then guarantee widespread adoption. Based on all the examples above it more likely guarantees massive expansion of the state care system.
The radical no restriction supporter wastes our time once more. Just remember, you are one of the less than 20% of Americans who lacks the simplest of humanity to understand we need restrictions on abortions of healthy viable babies for any reason.
Notice how you responded to zero of my arguments. You just make a character attack on the same old tired "no limits abortion" bunk which I've already discredited repeatedly. And discredited how? Well, I've given lists of states with and without, I've given numbers on late term abortions, and I've addressed the political pitfall of blaming a whole party nationally for something individual states of voters have decided. Like always you've ignored it all. You're both morally and intellectually bankrupt.
You complete liar! You have never debunked your support for No Restriction abortions. YOU SUPPORT THEM WITH YOUR VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORT IT!
Those states who support no restriction abortions are allowed to do so because the Democrats you vote for (such as Hillary) make sure that No Restriction abortions are allowed in those states or any state.
They refuse to pass the compromise bill from the GOP limiting abortions to 20 weeks unless for etreme cases.
This is why you will always be banned. PURE DECEPTION AND DENIAL OF WHAT YOU SUPPORT WITH YOUR VOTE.
The radical restriction supporter wastes our time once more. Just remember, you are one of the insert arbitrary figure here of Americans who lacks the simplest of humanity to understand we need no restrictions on slavery of owned healthy humans for any reason.
What a total inhuman extremist!
That's just an example, maggot. Try bringing against me the best of you, and it shan't last more than a touch. For that was too easy.
