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This kind of racist hate doesn't help a thing! Time to grow up America! The problem here is that the meaning of "All men are created equal" has been pissed on by both sides, and both sides blame the other! Sounds like middle school all over again!
This is why America doesn't need this new NRA, because few have the control over their attitudes that goes with gun ownership. Guns don't kill people, people with attitudes kill people, and guns just make it SOOO easy!
Completely true. Countless children, teens, adults are treated with abuse every year due to police abuse. I thought they were to protect and serve. Not to protect themselves and shoot peeps.
I agree with that, however, posts like this just stir the hatred pot! Both sides are wrong, regardless of the numbers. The REAL culprits are the ones who refuse to do anything except cheer on their side! We learned in Dodge City, Tombstone, and a hundred other places that everyone carrying a gun is NOT civilized! It didn't work then, it wont work NOW! One persons good guy is another's bad guy. Give a good guy with an attitude a gun, their no better than a bad guy with an attitude.
We learned in Dodge City, Tombstone, and a hundred other places that everyone carrying a gun is NOT civilized!
As I have already pointed out to you, the "Wild West" had extremely strong gun control, often stronger than what we have today. If you are claiming that the state of the Wild West indicates their policies did not work, then that works against your desire for increased gun control.
I agree with that, however, posts like this just stir the hatred pot!
Hatred pot? What exactly do you mean by that?
Both sides are wrong, regardless of the numbers.
Numbers are da truth my friend.
The REAL culprits are the ones who refuse to do anything except cheer on their side!
That makes no sense to me... Whatsoever... Please rephrase that.
We learned in Dodge City, Tombstone, and a hundred other places that everyone carrying a gun is NOT civilized!
Civilized? If it was a matter of being "civilized" we would focus on many other things first. Like drug addiction, rape, alcohol abuse, etc. Carrying a gun is our right as a citizen. We as a citizen have the right to protect ourselves from terrorists, burglars, murderers, etc.
It didn't work then, it wont work NOW!
Let me get this straight. You think the constitution needs updated because the new times are here but there will always be the same outcome?
One persons good guy is another's bad guy.
It is not that simple.
Give a good guy with an attitude a gun, their no better than a bad guy with an attitude.
Isn't it convenient to refer to everyone that the police shoot as "bad guys" despite their lack of trial?
Isn't it easier to dehumanize the other so that you don't have to face the fact that the government is executing people more and more often without even bothering to give them a trial?
Isn't it easier to ignore the increase in police brutality and incompetence rather than try to take issue with it?
Even one police officer killed in the line of duty too much. I would never say otherwise. But go ahead, keep calling for the police to shoot more people without a trial. Keep calling for more murder.
I am sympathetic to those officers, but lets also include in those numbers those that were killed in traffic accidents, being run down etc. or just being caught in a shootout, which is an occupational hazard and would have nothing to do with whether or not the shooter was a "brother". Then, if you take away those shot by a "white guy" you kind of get away from the point of this obviously racial rant. Most cops are great and dedicated people ... no matter what color THEY are. I think the problem here could be more easily blamed on the lawyers and judges who unfairly put the blame on the dead guy, which is exactly what would have happened to the guy shot many times in the back just before we saw the "officer" planting evidence! THAT is too easy!
He drew attention from the issue brought up and onto a different issue. The initial issue brought up is larger, both proportionally and as a sum, than the one he brought up.
I have never dismissed police shootings. But he has dismissed the shootings of black Americans.
This "One or the other" bullshit is completely nonsensical.
He didn't, he demonstrated an entirely different issue.
It's literally the same situation, just flipped. I don't know about you, but flipping situations is one of the best ways to gain perspective.
My point is that he dismissed the initial, larger issue in a way that undermined the severity of it.
I mean, you can interpret it however you want, but the fact is that he never explicitly dismissed the issue.
I have already explained how he did that: He literally dismissed the initial topic by deflecting to a different one.
Well your explanation is not a great one. If someone starts a debate about one group committing violence against another, it's pretty ridiculous to think the opposite won't or shouldn't be brought up.
I would gladly engage in an alternate discussion on his topic, but nice try.
Apparently not. The only thing you've done is insisted that it shouldn't be discussed since it's not as large of an issue (which is a fallacy by the way).
It's literally the same situation, just flipped. I don't know about you, but flipping situations is one of the best ways to gain perspective.
It is only flipped if you see African Americans and the Police as opposing forces. If you see each as a group of people who are being unjustly murdered, then it isn't a flip but an entirely different situation.
I mean, you can interpret it however you want, but the fact is that he never explicitly dismissed the issue.
One does not need to explicitly dismiss an issue in order to dismiss it at all. I never made any claim about explicit dismissal.
Well your explanation is not a great one. If someone starts a debate about one group committing violence against another, it's pretty ridiculous to think the opposite won't or shouldn't be brought up.
Again with this "opposite" bullshit.
Apparently not. The only thing you've done is insisted that it shouldn't be discussed since it's not as large of an issue (which is a fallacy by the way).
Did you even bother to look through DaveR and I's comment thread on it? I made my opinion on police shootings abundantly clear. Additionally, I did not say it shouldn't be discussed because it is not the larger issue (which is not a logical fallacy as it was not employed in any way that could rationally be considered one), I questioned the validity of him deflecting to a different (and smaller) issue on a debate topic formed around one issue. If he or you wanted to create a debate topic on police shootings, I would have no issue discussing it.
