Hey I have 2 upvotes now! Wow people must be realizing that Donald Trump is a fascist conservative greedy capitalist like Hitler! If Hitler was a democratic-socialist, maybe the nazis wouldn't have done the hall of cost!
Wow I feel cyerbullied you made a direct threat ! Do you have bleach ? NO I don't want to drink it I just want to bleach my hair because it makes me feel like my true gender, atheism!
You know Hitler had anti smoking laws. Does that mean anti smoking laws are bad? I don't like the argument "This idea is bad because this person arguably agreed with some of the idea."
He was NATIONAL socialist and aligned himself with fascist and totalitarian leaders
, Far Right Mussolini and the empirical Hirohito and Tojo. (both ideologies advocate for an extreme nationalism with the reverence for a one leader. Which Nazi Germany did, Difference between them and the Fascists, is the national socialists extend that nationalism ,to ethnicity. Something Marxism doesn't do. Marxism advocates for the equality of all men and women, regardless of Class and Racial identity)
And Hitler Agreed with the Fascist and Far right Stalin, (who created Stalinism which was a Far right version of communism that Marx didn't create or advocate)
And when they went to war with each other the Nazi party hated the soviets and claimed them (like the U.S did during the 50s) Evil communists and started their own hatred for all communists, regardless of how Leftist Or Rightist they were.
And other than the holocaust. Hitler did have good ideas. He funded the production of a cheap car in Germany (Volkswagen today) and created the interstate. Creation of synthetic fuels. Advancing airplane tech and rocket tech.
And my last bit. He was big into military and advocated family values. Much like the conservatives of today do. In fact the republicans of today do that. So please tell me again about these "anti-smoking" laws that make him a liberal.
This is a laughable debate. The King of all Straw Men.
You and Outlaw both need to learn that socialists are not necessarily liberals. The NAZI party was a State Socialist Party yes, but that Party was also fiercely nationalistic; depostic; advocated huge military build-up and spending, as well as war and aggression. His message to the people was only socialist in the way that he pretended his goal was to empower them, and get them from under the deadly constraints of the Treaty of Versailles from WWI.
All this is decidedly NOT liberal ethos. Not to mention his mass genocide of the Jews. This is as far from liberalism--which espouses the rights and personal freedoms of individuals--as one can possibly get.
worse, the true liberals who were unfortunate enough to find themselves living in Hitler-era Germany were imprisoned and killed. The artists; the minorities; the writers who questioned the Government, et al.
Hitler was not a liberal, the Nazi party is considered to be right-wing, so more of a conservative. He allowed for private property(which is a right-wing concept and opposed by the left), but I would say he was more statist, leaning to the right.
Private property "opposed by the left"??? That must be a different "left" than I belong to. I consider myself a democratic socialist and I have NO problem with "private property", just not buying laws that allow "some" to slowly purchase America, piece by piece! That's what a "smaller", (more controllable) government would allow. If we could become a REAL Democracy, we could render lobbyists useless, and regain control of the government "BY THE PEOPLE", instead of corporate billionaires!
Fascism is philosophically opposed to liberalism. This was actually explained quite explicitly by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile in the treatise "The Doctrine of Fascism".
National Socialism is actually a fairly apt nomenclature of the German absorption of Fascist ideals from a political standpoint, because Fascism specifically views the society, and its subsets of individuals, corporations and other legal entities as only relational to the nation-state apparatus.
It's also important to note that the Nazi party was quite literally the most right wing political option during Germany's elections, while they were still going on.
Hitler was fascist and this quote reflects rhetoric used by fascists to sieze any and all control necessary in the name of the state. Note fascism also rejects minority groups in favor of the dominant state majority (like exterminating Jews) which is demonstrably opposite of democratic socialism (which is about economic fairness and civil rights).
Last time I checked National socialism was Far-Right socially. Which means they actually were against abortion, For family, and at one point hated the communists just like America did in the 50s.
Fiscally they were left wing. But that has nothing to do with hitlers diplomatic and military views (both far right and not liberal at all)
But let me tell you this. Mussolini, Tojo and Hirohito, Were extremely Right wing and conservative. And they were allied with Hitler and committed atrocities and believed things as bad as Hitler. So if Hitler was truly leftist and liberal as you say why would he aly himself with those people.
AND if those conservative and right wing people believed those things. Then we shouldn't be conservative. Right?
(BTW Marxism is different from Leninism and Stalinism. Leninism and Stalinism were Far right ideologies while Marxism was pure leftist and is actual communism. What the Soviet union created was corrupted versions of marxism.) So I stand here and I say I am a communist
While those might be liberal policy's (and hating Jews is a right wing idea. Actually an Extremist right wing view. Given the right wing believes Social inequality is evitable, he accelerated that idea by pushing social inequality)
And he was Pro-Choice depending on the race (which again is pushing social inequality, which is extremist right wing)
And Hitler had jewish blood, grew up catholic and fell in with occult for a time. But he claimed atheism. And in speechs he made he advocated Christianity
In an October 1928 speech Hitler said the Nazis “tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another”.
And in another speech he claimed he was against liberal ideas:
the Nazi leader argued that:
“Today Christians … stand at the head of [Germany]. I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity … We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre and in the press. In short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture, as a result of liberal excess.”
He said he wants the burn the poison that was caused by "LIBERAL excess"
He was only pandering to the right in order to get them to die for him so that after the war there would be nothing but liberals. Don't you know how politicians work? They are a bunch of liars. Jeez ;)
By that logic all fascists are communist and all communists are fascist.
He was undisputed as a politician and his rule was basically a dictator ship. (most of the population was brainwashed in to believing in what the Nazis believed. The Nazis didn't have to pander. The guns and nationalism meant they didn't have to.)
If I have a gun to someone's head, its enough to convince someone to give me the money. I don't have to convince him to let me rob him if I have an army.
Well Technically speaking to compare to hitler. Take your clothes and any items you have on you. in the sense of analogy of course.
He would go into your home, take everything you owned and your property (well his soldiers would) probably use your significant other as a breeder of the "super race" or if your not genetically would your looking for then your other would go to a labor camp and the children taken into the Hitler youth program (if some miraculous reason they already aren't in the program)
(BTW hitler also advocated for extreme nationalism which is definitely anti-liberal. Also he was extremely right wing with some progressive in his belief.)
And by that logic, RET.General/Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower, And former Col. and Pres. Theodore Roosevelt were liberal.
While they were in reality just a little progressive, and they were both republican. And I can bring examples as too why as well)
Most Republicans used to be Progressive, to the point where they were the definitive Progressive ideology for a substantial amount of time in the United States.
A lot of people don't seem to understand that "Progressive" is not inherently left-wing.
The political right is popularly associated with the following principles. Of course, it goes without saying that these are generalizations, and not every person on the far right believes in every principle, or disbelieves its opposite. Most people's political beliefs are complex, and cannot be neatly pigeonholed. This is as true of Hitler as anyone. But since the far right is trying peg Hitler as a leftist, it's worth reviewing the tenets popularly associated with the right. These include: •Individualism over collectivism.
•Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
Conservatives (American conservative) want the government out of finance and economics but in social and militaru stand points they want them in, pushing those family values and religious values. which is part left wing and part right wing which is what Hitler was.
While liberals don't want the government controlling a lot of military and social stuff. But have a regulation of economic stuff. (by social I mean issues like civil rights and abortion, and environment. I know they are separate but grouping them into one word helps me type this better)
Left wing wants social and economical progress. While Right wing wants a regression.
Progressive and traditionalist
both take on half left wing and half right wing.
Hitler did the same but took the bad side of both the left and right. The social inequality of the right wing and the economical control of the left wing.
Statist might be a good word for that. But most of what he did wrong was on the right wing side (the right wing see's classes and social inequality as inevitable) and he capitalized and furthered that ideology and funneled it into ethnically pride and that only the Aryans were the best, and the jews were the black to there white.
The spectrum is so complicated. Especially Conservative being considered right wing and liberal considered left wing. While in reality they are both mixes. They just take different parts.
You are forgetting that Hilter was totally biased and he treated different groups of people differently to an extreme degree based on race and religious beliefs. So he might have been more liberal towards his chosen people, but to all others, he was a demon. A silver tongued demon.
Hitler went after the Jews. The SECOND group he went after was the SOCIALISTS, with just as much fervor! He was a NAZI. HE, like the communists, used the National "Socialist" title to help the PEOPLE believe they had a part in his Third Reich! The only part they had was to DIE for it!
Socialism .... people working together for the betterment of all, was only his intent as far as the rest of the world working for the betterment of pure Germans! (i.e., slavery!) He was NOT a socialist, any more than Stalin was!
