With the entire world on edge over (possible) impending airstrikes on Syria, it seems that Israel decided to freak everyone out and start launching ballistic missiles into the sea.
The launch was reportedly just "target practice" for Israel's own missile defense system, which is all well and good, but now may not be the best time to start launch giant missiles around the Middle East without telling people beforehand. (Unless you're also trying to test your enemy's alertness, in which case you're not being very subtle about it.) After all, Barack Obama has all but promised to rain Tomahawks down on the Syrian capital at some point in the next month, so it won't take much for everyone involved in this standoff to start firing whatever they have and whoever they think they can hit. At times like this, it's best to keep these little "misunderstandings" to a minimum.
If WWIII breaks out, enough people may die to fix global warming. I mean..., look for the silver lining people!!! Jeez... not everything is doom and gloom. There's plenty to be joyous about. If a war breaks out, we can all meet here and debate it. The conservatives will come up with charts and graphs showing why it's all good; the libs will start calling the conservatives names; the libertarians will be hopeful that their time has come; the trolls will play both sides against the middle and we will all get to experience the drama that comes with war ;)
Nah, the Muslim Brotherhood (which has Palestine wrapped around it's finger) will cause it. But even then that war would be over pretty quickly, the US can topple any nation easily and most nations would be idiots not to join us if war did break loose.
Again, NO SUBSTANCE!!! I wish the US would bring back the draft to have all citizens serving the country. I can't believe the ignorance I'm hearing here.
Draft or no draft, I'm no US citizen buddy. And even if I was, you think some butch wanker is going to force me to go out and kill people? Think again. And do explain what I was ignoring there. Your use of the word 'ignorance' serves no purpose.
If your country were to reinstate the draft and you were selected, then you would have no choice but to join, otherwise you'd be breaking the law and sent to prison. It's fucked up, but that's how it is.
Yes. It is highly unlikely I would ever deem war to be necessary, but for the sake of the argument, lets say something happens that makes me think war is necessary. Like going to war with Israel for stealing Palestinian land for too long :)
I would still try my hardest to avoid conscription. I don't want the blood of innocent children on my hands after I pressed the button in my helicopter spraying machine-gun fire unto a crowd. Not for me, no way. No matter who they are or what they've done, I don't want blood on my hands. Or anyone else's. " Oh lets go to war because these people killed some people, so we'll kill them to prove a point!" < No thanks.
You'd go to war with Israel for taking land from a corrupt territory? Which, by the way... it is a territory, not a country. A territory that Great Britain had once owned and held as land for the Jews to move to before the Holocaust took place. The Muslim citizens didn't like that, so they rebelled... which prompted Great Britain to hand Palestine over to the UN. After the Holocaust, thousands of Jews moved to Palestine. Eventually, Israel gained independence and looked to expand. They claimed part of Palestine and Egypt and Jordan got another part. The Palestinian land that Israel occupies now, was acquired from Egypt and Jordan in the six day war. Just as many countries have won land through war, Israel won what they currently occupy. Palestine had complained all the way back to the time when Britain was the occupying country, so they continued to complain. Then they formed a movement that focused on violence. They were responsible for the Munich Olympic attacks in the 1970's... so basically, they turned to terrorism. That obviously pissed off Israel, so tensions increased. Palestine continued acts of terrorism, so Israel continued to retaliate. Eventually the Israeli prime minister and Arafat, the Palestinian leader, reached peace agreements. Israel handed over a good portion of West Bank and continued talks, until Arafat became hostile once again, due to what was basically a lack of patience.
Between Palestine and Israel, they both believe the land belongs to themselves... but the tension between the two results in very little progress. Technically, living Palestinians have never known the Israeli occupied areas to belong to anyone other than Israel, Egypt and Jordan. It's basically like if Britain were to go to war with the US, because it was originally their territory. Palestine is full of corruption and their goal is to gain these territories and become a country... and that's not something the world needs.
Hmmm.. Never said I would. I told you it was highly unlikely I would advocate such a thing. Just if it all boiled down to one such war, it is one I would be inclined not to hate as much..
You disagree with history? I told you what actually happened... I'm obviously on Israel's side, but I tried not to make it sound too biased. What exactly do you disagree with?
Umm.. Perhaps the fact you claim Israel has the right to that land ( somehow...) when the rightful owners ( Palestinians) are being booted out. You know, the Germans had a right to parts of Poland in 1939. Yet no one supported them there...
And the fact you call Palestine a corrupt nation. I mean, it'll be pretty hard to run a nation properly with all the turmoil Israel and the west is creating for them ( Jesus, I sound like a terrorist..!) I can assure you I would rather live in the west :) Just when I see millions of refugees kicked out of a country by majorities, children being abused, humans treated with fewer rights than animals, e.t.c. Obviously I'll side with the one being bullied.
I see Palestinian women that need passes to go in to their own fields, being kicked and restrained for hours, to get in to their own land. That is not right. But because Israel's big-buddy is the USA no one messes with them.
Any country who wages war on another whilst evicting them, and breaching just about every human right there is, and is then supported by 'civilised nations' as they were referred to... Simply not right.
I watch many news channels for an unbiased view, and all I see is Palestinians being maltreated for no reason. You think the 8 year old girl evicted from her home so some rich American chappy can live there, and who's family have been killed, you think she's the culprit?
No, Israel believes that they have a right to that land. Egypt and Jordan believe that they have a right to that land. The West has been asking Israel to hand it over... but Great Britain intended for that land to be for the Jews and the Palestinians didn't like that. America has no fault in this. When Great Britain left Palestine, they handed it over to the UN, who then basically gave it to Israel. So if you should point the finger at any Western country, it should be your own.
Palestine is treated the way they are because of their corruption. Rather than continue peace talks, they became impatient and reverted back to violence. You agreed that Palestine is corrupt, yet you support them becoming a country? That doesn't make sense to me.
Palestine showed hostility when Jews migrated to UN owned territory due to the Holocaust. It has always been about religion with Palestine. They don't want Jews near them. Now that Israel is the stronger power, they may be letting emotion and history get in the way a bit... but if the roles were reversed Palestine would be doing the same, if not worse.
It has nothing to do with right and wrong. It has to do with whether or not you are strong enough to take it and hold on it in spite of world opinion.
But don't feel too bad about it. That land used to belong to them during biblical times and I don't think there's a statute of limitations or squatting rights or anything ;)
Or, if the Israeli's would bugger off, the world would be at peace instead of having to worry about Israels 80+ nukes and very eager trigger-finger. And chosen land my fucking arse ( twice I've said that..) you talk to so-called Israeli's there, and they've got German, British, American, Swedish e.t.c. accents. Yeah, their birth-right I'm sure. 'Returning' to a home they've never been to or have descended from in the first place. Just human greed.
Would be better than everyone ganging on Palestine now. Even though Israel has received so much help from the US ( we shall not go in to that controversy...)
I enjoy seeing Israel exercise their power. They have so many countries wanting to obliterate them, they need to show the world what they're capable of!
I know both, I think all the essentials are commonalities. It's only in all the ritualistic and interpretative bagage that they differ. Islam and Buddhism are two different interpretations of the same material.
Well no because the basis of Islam is belief in a creater god and Buddhism is about trying to attain liberation from suffering through training the mind. Nost Buddhists don't believe in God it is non-theistic.
What are your prerequisites for having this discussion? I have been studying the philosophical investigation of the Perennial Philosophy for some time, and up until this point everything I know about relgions seem to imply the truth of this Philosophy. I have participated in an extensive year long course in religion, specialized in Buddhism on my own, been raised a Christian, and yet I have to find anything that contradicts my assumption about the Perennial Philosphy.
Buddhist reject the idea of a personal God, but concepts like Buddha Nature and Nirvana are essentially parallel with Christian notions such as 'God is in every man' and Islam's Jannah. Sure Muhammad was a psychopath, but if you take a look at Sufism, the spiritual core of Islam, you will find that the parallels are astonishing.
If they aren't even going to make food out of any sea life they just killed on a whim, they might as well have done something that's actually productive, like write a song, maybe?
And I never said I was Che Guevara, and to be honest I don't care whether I look gay or not, people know who I am, wearing a beret is not going to change any of that... And you're overlooking the fact, I would rather be Radical Muslim than Zionist Jewish.
They don't force their children to grow beards if they can't. And I simply wouldn't kill my gay friend (s) because not only would they not ask that, but I would refuse. And should the Israeli's tell me to grow a beard, and ringlets, and to only eat kosher food, never eat pork again, pray against the wailing wall whilst nodding back and forth like some mental patient, e.t.c.
Probably not, nor would the Jews..! I am just speculating as to which one I would prefer, should I have to. I would hate more things about the Radical Muslim way of life, but would be able to adapt to it quicker.
Why do you challenge me like that? You always come out looking ignorant. You're just trying to be different, so much so that you don't realize how ridiculous you sound.
Not sure which argument of mine you're disputing, but whatever it is, what I'm about to say will pertain.
Saying I would rather be Muslim than Jewish is hardly being different. According to figures there are far, far more Muslims in the world. And if you think that me saying I don't want to be Jewish, is ridiculous then you need to stop watching such Jewish propaganda. If I say I don't want to be christian, no one would complain. But I say I don't want to be Jewish, and suddenly it's a crime. Why??
I don't want to be a Muslim, and I don't want to be Jewish. But as far as religion is concerned, Muslim would be better, by a very, very small margin. If it was between being just a regular Jewish chappy, and a regular Muslim chappy, I would pick Jewish. But this is about Radical Muslims and Radical Jews ( Zionists). Just as long as I am not part of a terrorist group.
The reason being, I support Palestine, and am against the Israeli's building settlements. As for the religion it's self, I wouldn't really follow through with it. Muslim= You can forget about sex before marriage and no girlfriends. Jewish= Would still eat pork.
And what's your point exactly? I mean it's not like you've written an argument against what I was initially saying. Nor have you asked me any constructive questions. All you've done is criticise what I've said, and insulted me. And you ask why I challenge you like that?!
Not sure which argument of mine you're disputing, but whatever it is, what I'm about to say will pertain.
Huh? It should be obvious...
Saying I would rather be Muslim than Jewish is hardly being different. According to figures there are far, far more Muslims in the world. And if you think that me saying I don't want to be Jewish, is ridiculous then you need to stop watching such Jewish propaganda. If I say I don't want to be christian, no one would complain. But I say I don't want to be Jewish, and suddenly it's a crime. Why??
If you said you wanted to be Muslim, then I wouldn't bother arguing with you... but you said you'd rather be radical Muslim instead of Jewish. They're extremists. Terrorists. I don't understand how you could sympathize with them over non-radical Judaism.
I don't want to be a Muslim, and I don't want to be Jewish. But as far as religion is concerned, Muslim would be better, by a very, very small margin. If it was between being just a regular Jewish chappy, and a regular Muslim chappy, I would pick Jewish. But this is about Radical Muslims and Radical Jews ( Zionists). Just as long as I am not part of a terrorist group.
It's not radical vs. radical. You clearly said that you would rather be a radical Muslim, than a Jew... actually you said Israeli, which was also ridiculous.
But apparently your mindset has changed, because you are now saying that you would rather be a Jew, right?
The reason being, I support Palestine, and am against the Israeli's building settlements. As for the religion it's self, I wouldn't really follow through with it. Muslim= You can forget about sex before marriage and no girlfriends. Jewish= Would still eat pork.
So you favor the Palestinian gov't over the Israeli gov't? Keep in mind that Palestine supported Saddam Hussein, portrays terrorist groups as heroes, and has a very long history of corruption. Did you know that Palestine receives the largest amount of international foreign aid per capita in the entire world? Where does all of that money go? Into their leader's pockets.
And what's your point exactly? I mean it's not like you've written an argument against what I was initially saying. Nor have you asked me any constructive questions. All you've done is criticise what I've said, and insulted me. And you ask why I challenge you like that?!
I would have never done that if you hadn't started the argument by saying "what's your problem". All I did was point out that Joe was referring to radical Islam.
No I would prefer normal Judaism to Radical Islam, but would prefer Radical Islam to radical Judaism. That's the point I was making to start with I'm sure I said it before somewhere else.
And Radical Muslims are not all terrorists. The term refers to very strict Muslims. The terrorists you're thinking of are radicals, bu not all radicals are terrorists.
And if I said " I would rather be Muslim than Israeli" then I sincerely apologise. I do not associate all Israeli's as being Jewish, and normally dispute people who say that. I would rather be a radical Muslim than a radical Jew.
But I would rather be an average Jew than an average Muslim. I was talking about radicals before. I also made that clear, maybe you missed an argument of mine.
And yes, taking everything you have said, I support Palestine.
This argument is getting a little tedious now. I can see myself coping and adapting more to being a radical Muslim than radical Jew. That's all there is to it. And from this there have been accusations I am antisemitic..? Doesn't add up. I shall clear up any queries you may have:
~I am not more anti Jewish than other religions. In some things, yes, but in others, less so.
~I dislike all religions.
~I do not dislike people based only on their religious status.
~I have no particular liking for the Muslim religion ( nor extremist Islam) I was just saying I would prefer that to the far end of the Jewish spectrum.
No I would prefer normal Judaism to Radical Islam, but would prefer Radical Islam to radical Judaism. That's the point I was making to start with I'm sure I said it before somewhere else.
It's not the point you started with.
And Radical Muslims are not all terrorists. The term refers to very strict Muslims. The terrorists you're thinking of are radicals, bu not all radicals are terrorists.
But all support terrorism.
And if I said " I would rather be Muslim than Israeli" then I sincerely apologise. I do not associate all Israeli's as being Jewish, and normally dispute people who say that. I would rather be a radical Muslim than a radical Jew.
Why? What makes a radical Muslim any better than a radical Jew?
But I would rather be an average Jew than an average Muslim. I was talking about radicals before. I also made that clear, maybe you missed an argument of mine.
I didn't miss it... actually, I'm pretty sure I've already addressed it.
And yes, taking everything you have said, I support Palestine.
So you support corruption? You're a white boy from Britain, what has Palestine done for you? What has Palestine done for the World in general?
~I am not more anti Jewish than other religions. In some things, yes, but in others, less so.
You are clearly more anti-Jewish than you are anti-Muslim.
~I dislike all religions.
Some more than others.
~I do not dislike people based only on their religious status.
Except for radical-Jews, which nobody in their right mind likes radical-religions, but why support radical-Islam over radical-Judaism? Do you think that Islam has better religious beliefs?
~I have no particular liking for the Muslim religion ( nor extremist Islam) I was just saying I would prefer that to the far end of the Jewish spectrum.
OK look I don't understand why it's such a big problem for you. Did I say I like radical Muslims? Did I say I'd like to be one? not once. I would hate it, and it would never, ever happen. I've said that, and similar, enough times on this site. What makes being a strict Muslim better than a Strict Jew for me is the methods of praying, the food, the clothes/appearance, e.t.c. I have never been either so I can't say which one I prefer being.
I support Palestine the same way Britain supported Poland when the Germans invaded there.
Not more anti-Jewish actually. I hate the fact the Muslims slit the throats of their animals them selves, I don't like the circumcision at the start of puberty thing, at least if you're Jewish they do it when you're a baby.
and I don't dislike all radical Jews, how can one say that? I am sure there are many Zionists out there who are perfectly nice people.
And I'm going to end this now because clearly you seem offended at the thought I might pick a different religion, other than Judaism. I don't see why, I don't see why you must protect the Jews more than anyone else, and why you feel the need to argue with me about Muslims.
You're normally a nice guy, and suddenly when it comes to Muslims and Jews you take it too seriously. There's only so many times I can say I'm not antisemitic, but clearly it's not getting through to any of you. No fine you go on blindly believing that. Hell why don't you go the whole way and accuse me of hating homosexual black disabled gypsies kids too.
OK look I don't understand why it's such a big problem for you.
See Jungelson, this is what I'm talking about. We're debating. I just happen to disagree with what you say. Do you want me to agree with you, is that it? While we're at it, why don't we just join the fucking Lollipop Guild and hold hands and skip through Palestine! Is that what you want?
What makes being a strict Muslim better than a Strict Jew for me is the methods of praying, the food, the clothes/appearance, e.t.c. I have never been either so I can't say which one I prefer being.
Muslims pray like ten times a day... and they aren't short prayers lol.
The women are forced to cover most of their body, even their hair. What's so great about that? You just want to wear a turban... is that it?
I support Palestine the same way Britain supported Poland when the Germans invaded there.
Why? If I remember correctly, Palestine started the feud between them and Israel.
You do know that Palestine isn't a country, right?
And I'm going to end this now because clearly you seem offended at the thought I might pick a different religion, other than Judaism. I don't see why, I don't see why you must protect the Jews more than anyone else, and why you feel the need to argue with me about Muslims.
Ugh... is it that you don't read what I tell you, or can you just not comprehend it? I'm not offended... I'm not even Jewish. Hell, I'm not even religious!
I support the Jewish community more than the Muslim community because the Jews have contributed more to the Western World than Muslims. Look at the Middle East... it's been a war zone for thousands of years.
You're normally a nice guy, and suddenly when it comes to Muslims and Jews you take it too seriously. There's only so many times I can say I'm not antisemitic, but clearly it's not getting through to any of you. No fine you go on blindly believing that. Hell why don't you go the whole way and accuse me of hating homosexual black disabled gypsies kids too.
Oh! Stop your whining! I don't care about what other people call you. I have to admit though... you may not be the right type of person for debating. You mistake everything as personal attacks. You become offended almost every single time I debate with you. What the hell, man? You need to get your shit together! You're starting to remind me of a particular person who was banned from this site...
Palestine was given observer status. As far as I am concerned it is a country. And would be nice to join a lolly pop guild and skip through Palestine :)
And if people launch personal attacks against me, then yes I will get offended.
And if you think I shouldn't debate because of one argument about Jews and Muslims, then you have a lot to learn. End of this. I've had enough of Muslims and Jews it's all you ever hear about and I'm beginning to get sick of it. Lets talk about Syria, which is essentially what this debate is focused around..!
And if you think I get offended way too easily then, well there's nothing I can do about that, if that's your own interpretation of moi. As far as I'm concerned, I get offended when people insult me. Otherwise, I don't get offended, I just debate and argue. Which is what i should be doing here..?
You're the ignorant one. It never amazes me how and why people continue to be anti-Israel--and hence anti-Jewish in their lack of knowledge of the whole area.
