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Debate Score:35
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Total Votes:38
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even gay animals dress very nice

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/gay-penguin-reunion_n_1093298.html

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They are wearing a tux. It doesn't get any nicer than that ;-)

Side: True

Existence precedes essence

-------Jean-Paul Sartre----------------

Side: True
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Existence precedes essence

I am no expert in Sartre’s philosophy, perhaps together we can shed some light on this issue I am having, two heads are better than one they say.

I’m curious as to what the relationship is with Sartre’s claim and the will to survive, that is, the carnal urge to exist and procreate. Is this will to survive, as I call it, a part of ‘existence?’ or is it a part of ‘essence?’

I would assume that such a thing would be considered a part of existence with regard to Sartre’s philosophy. But it seems to me that it is more inherent in life forms as a type of ‘nature,’ or instinct, and that such a nature can actually play a significant role in determining one’s existence. For instance, my mother’s will to procreate was the cause of my existence. It is not necessarily MY essence that preceded my existence, but it was essence nonetheless, no?

Call my confused if you must, but please help me hash this out. I would appreciate it.

Side: True

Existence is the human being thinking through consciousness by creating values and determines a meaning for life based on life choices, which makes human life more significant than animals where essence is the attribute or set of attributes that make an object or substance what it fundamentally is, and which it has by necessity, and without which it loses its identity. Basically, animals don't make choices, they go by instinct, so a lion's essence is to kill and eat a zebra while whereas humans go by choices.

Side: True
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srom 1883, well, i had a bisexual dog and my neighbour had a gay dog. Get you facts right? Yes, they all dress nicely

Side: True
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There are no such things as gay animals. All the animals got it into there brain to choose a female as there partner. So you mean animals are choosing to be gay now just like humans? Give me a break! All my life I have seen animals with one male and female I have never seen a male and a male animal! The gay animal stuff is all made up because they know that they are suppose to choose a female or male and not the same gender!

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Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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Actually homosexuality has been observed in animals with a fair amount of frequency. There are many recorded cases of this occurring. Humans are not the only ones to display homosexual behavior. In the article above it has been observed in Penguins. To say that there are no gay animals is blatantly false. There seems to be some underlying biological or environmental cause.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Side: True
Srom(12206) Disputed
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Most of the animals I see are not gay and I won't believe those websites that you put up because Wikipedia is full of false information about it has high vocabulary. Animals have got it into there brain that they need the opsite gender. How are the same gender of penguins going to reproduce? There is no possible way that the same gender of the penguin can have a baby it need to be the opisite gender

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Coldfire(1014) Disputed
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There are no such things as gay animals.

I don't rightly know the answer to this personally. I think it would require actual knowledge of what animals think, which to my knowledge is not yet possible.

At any rate, I’ll make a wild guess and say that animals do not view homosexuality the way humans do what with the negative connotations applied by some people from religion, social norms, upbringing etc. etc. which exist only in humankind.

Not only that, but I would also guess that animals do not view homosexuality as strongly as humans do with regard to life partnerships. As far as I have seen in the research on the subject, the animals that exhibit homosexual behavior still mate with the opposite sex. In other words, I have yet to see any animals that are solely homosexual as I see with humans, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see evidence contrary to my belief, it is unwise to posit an absolute.

So you mean animals are choosing to be gay now just like humans?

Probably not “just like humans,” and probably not even by choice. The idea that a life form which requires a mate of the opposite sex for procreation would choose a mate of the same sex is preposterous. Such a choice goes against the species survival. A few rational explanations are that homosexual behavior is merely for sexual gratification in animals, or it is possibly the result of a mutation occurring through natural selection which would eventually adversely affect that life form’s ability to procreate.

All my life I have seen animals with one male and female I have never seen a male and a male animal!

All one has to do to refute this claim is to say that they have been witness to such interaction. Personal experiences are hard to prove, and pretty insubstantial in a debate.

I could say that I personally have been a witness to such behavior between two dogs, but what credence does that give for you to believe what I say? For all intents and purposes I could be lying.

The gay animal stuff is all made up because they know that they are suppose to choose a female or male and not the same gender!

Its actually not made up, and a little bit of research would show this. And I doubt that animals actually ‘know’ that they are supposed to choose a male or a female, or even that it is really a choice at all. Animals usually do so out of instinct, but that is primal, carnal urges, not thought or choice.

Side: True
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that is true! animals know by instinct that they need to be of opposite sex! though i have to say i once saw two male roosters bonding in an unusual way...(not the best scene) i guess there must be an explanation for that..maybe they got desperate! 0.o this brings chills down my spine! damn!

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Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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i guess there must be an explanation for that

There is, and it's the one explanation that you have just dismissed. They're gay.

Side: True
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There are no such things as gay animals.

So the Whiptail lizard, raccoon, the elephant, cheetah and humans (just to name a few) don't exist? Yes, because that makes PERFECT sense, doesn't it?

...And please don't try and tell me humans are not animals, as I will have to slap you.

Side: True
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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1. There are a lot of gay animals.

2. It's not a choice for them or for humans, it's how they were born.

3. Do you not know what a cited source is? Look at the link Bohemian sent and look at the citations. That particular wikipedia entry has tons of completely unbiased and scientific sources all well-researched. Not believing it "just because" is another sign that there is no way you are as old as you say. You have to be like 5 or 6.

Side: True
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

You know what why don't you just shut up and let me talk to Bohemian. I was never talking to you stop butting in!

Side: Wait..., What? No!