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True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:190
Arguments:185
Total Votes:199
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A fetus is just one phase of a human's life.

There are 4 phases in the life of a butterfly.
Egg.
Larva/caterpillar
Pupa/Chrysalis
Butterfly

A germinatmed seed can remain dormant for years
waiting for the right conditions
to sprout and grow.
It is alive.

Similarly,
a fetus is alive.
It is just one stage in a human's life.

True.

Side Score: 102
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Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 88
2 points

The argument that it is just a clump of cells is misleading. ;)

Side: True.
2 points

Good point. I mean, the same is true of human adults too. Just a larger clump of cells.

Side: True.
1 point

Yes!!! One down, half the American population to go ;)

Side: True.

I agree. If a fetus is "just a clump of cells" and that makes it okay to kill it, then technically everyone is a clump of cells and effectively, murder is legal.

Side: True.
Dermot(5461) Disputed
1 point

If a fetus is "just a clump of cells" and that makes it okay to kill it

A fetus is reliant on the mother for sustenance and the use of her body over which it has no right , so yes it’s fine to terminate

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

While that is true. There are those who denie it. Then we come to the position of war. War kills ppl. But ppl dont care about our soldiers. They come back, being hated and booed. Being called assholes, being disrespected. Ppl kneeling during the anthem because they think the US is built on hate. But, the funny thing is, is that these are the exact same ppl who are pro choice. They’ll protest war and shit, but when it comes to fetuses they don’t give a fuck. Why’s that?

Side: True.
1 point

You geniuses have it all figured out.

Fortunately, the Republican Party will never allow abortion to be made illegal.

That’s right, the REPUBLICAN party.

Side: True.
1 point

Fortunately, the Republican Party will never allow abortion to be made illegal.

Yes, we will allow abortion to be made illegal. Republicans, and conservatives in general, are pro-life.

That’s right, the REPUBLICAN party.

Whoa, really?

Side: True.
Rusticus(1574) Disputed
2 points

Abortion is one of the greatest vote getting tools the GOP has ever had. The GOP can count on you and all of the other anti-abortion minions to march to the polls and vote GOP because they constantly tell you that if you vote for them they'll outlaw abortion. They won't. They never will.

Why do you suppose it is that when the GOP holds not only the White House, but BOTH Houses of congress, you don't hear one little peep about doing what they've promised you they'd do which is to ban abortion?

It's because they know that KEEPING ABORTION LEGAL means that they can CAMPAIGN AGAINST IT over and over, election cycle after election cycle FOREVER, because you never catch on. Decade after decade they lead you around like you've got a ring in your nose and get you to vote GOP with the same old lie.

Here's the other thing: THINK for a minute about what the real implications of an abortion ban would be. It would create huge social upheaval. Pretty young middle class white girls would start dying again from back alley abortions, and the mothers of those girls would be RIOTING in the streets. The bodies of every single one of those dead girls would be hung around the necks of the GOP AND the EVANGELICAL movement and the Republican party would cease to exist - forever.

Of course the GOP leaders know this, which is why the LAST entity to actually bring about an end to abortion is the GOP.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
0 points

That's true.

And just like with the phases of insect life, they get eaten or stepped on or simply killed and that's just the way life goes (or doesn't). If one wants to argue every life is sacred then they probably ought to protect larva just the same as they want every fetus protected.

Side: True.
1 point

A dead fetus is no longer a phase.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Death is a phase of life, just as being a fetus is a phase of life.

Side: True.
Mingiwuwu(1238) Clarified
2 points

The end if a movie is the end of all phases in the movie's storyline.

Side: True.
1 point

The thing is, the fetus is not a human life, but rather a part of the mother, just like an ear or eye, it is connected to her, though you cannot move your ear freely, just like you cannot move a fetus freely, it is still part of the mother, or you.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
achilles_(51) Disputed
3 points

Actually, it is a human life, just like me and you, the only difference is that it's not fully formed yet, because it's still growing to eventually become grown enough and then be born. It's attached to her, but it's because of the umbilical cord. It's not some "extra body part." You're not gaining an extra limb or anything, but simply just a fetus that's attached to the mother because it literally needs that to live.

Side: True.

Potential human life, but still a life, yes. And, if it really is just an "extra body part" like so many pro-choicers say, then why can't people get prosthetic fetuses? And, if the mother gets to kill the fetus simply because it relies on her, why can't hospitals murder patients living off of machines/in a coma?

Side: True.
Johnhao(10) Disputed
1 point

Just because of the fact that it WILL BECOME a human life, and that it has an idea of its own, doesn't make it a human life. What defines a human life, in every dictionary, is an INDIVIDUAL, in-dividual.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
fgtorres(12) Disputed
1 point

You're right in one sense. The fetus is part of the mother in so far as it's physically connected to the mother via an umbilical cord and the placental interface. However, this is still different than an ear or eye or any other body part. That's because the fetus is genetically distinct from the mother (while an ear or eye are not). Why? DNA is how biologists separate species and individuals within a species. You and I are the same species, but distinct individuals because of our unique genomes, the exclusive versions and combinations of our genes (alleles). Accordingly, once an ovum or egg (gamete from mom) is fertilized by sperm (gamete from dad), the DNA from the two gametes fuse together. This means that the new cell (zygote) has its own DNA. It is no longer mom or dad; it's a combination of both, and it's own distinct individual organism. Also, in response to the claim that a fetus isn't a human life: On the contrary, I would argue a fetus (and even a fertilized egg) is a human life. In biology, cells are the basic unit of life and are living when they show metabolism and growth (there are ~7 characteristics of life in biology including these - the fetus does all of them) - you're living because your cells are doing just that. The fetus is no different. From the time it's a zygote, the new entity developing in mom is biologically alive. All that is to say - yes, the fetus is a human life and not part of the mother (at least in the same sense as an organ like an anatomical part e.g. eye or ear).

Side: True.
Dermot(5461) Disputed
1 point

I would argue a fetus ( and even a fertilized egg ) is a human life

Yes many insist not only that a fetus is a human being, but that this status is an objective scientific fact. Unfortunately, they are assuming the very thing that requires proving, thereby committing the logical fallacy of "begging the question." Biology, medicine, law, philosophy, and theology have no consensus on the issue, and neither does society as a whole. There will never be a consensus because of the subjective and unscientific nature of the claim, so we must give the benefit of the doubt to women, who are indisputable human beings with rights.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Johnhao(10) Disputed
1 point

But YOUR ear comes from a combination of your mom and your dad. Also, it is not controlled by your mom nor your dad. Does that make your ear a human life?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

but rather a part of the mother

If it's part of the mother, then why does it have separate cells? Yes, it gets nutrients from the mother, but it isn't the same as an eye or an ear, as you claim.

you cannot move your ear freely, just like you cannot move a fetus freely

Right, but an ear doesn't float around your head like a fetus does the womb.

Side: True.
Johnhao(10) Disputed
1 point

Emphasis on the FLOAT. It doesn't move, the fluids move a fetus. Also, what you eat floats around your stomach. Are you arguing that if what you eat could evolve into a human, and that it gets nutrients from you, it becomes a human life?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!