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Debate Score:226
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Total Votes:248
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Atheists lack religious tolerance

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3 points

Hate to say it but yeah. Think about it from our perspective. Its like being in a math class, and you're the only kid who understands 2+2=4. But every single other kid in the class does not. They keep asking questions and holding up the class, and many even assert that 2+2=5 or 15 or 167. It gets frustrating.

Side: True
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
3 points

Your analogy is wrong both Atheists and Religous types think they are right but it is impossible to prove either is right or wrong apart from the odd point here and there.

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AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
2 points

I don't see how that makes my analogy wrong. I wasn't making it to show how things really are, but this is to show how atheists feel in the world, applying to the debate question of tolerance. I know that the analogy doesn't reflect how things actually are, it reflects how atheists feel in reguard to religious tolerance.

Side: True
Dynamic(12) Disputed
1 point

This is my example. This is why "we cannot prove or disprove there is a god" is asinine. We have logic for a reason, we need to use it more.

Supporting Evidence: Hermione's logic. (loltheists.com)
Side: True
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

This logic is completely backwards. This is the exact opposite of how theists and atheists think. Religious people can't agree on what they believe. With all of the different religions, and all of the different sects of the different religions it is ridiculous to believe that everyone in the class believes 2 + 2 = 4

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AveSatanas(4426) Clarified
2 points

Let me clairify. Lets say 2+2=4 is atheists. And anything other than 4 is theists. So they all can believe different things like 35, or 67, ect. But are all wrong.

Side: True
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

So you are right and everyone is wrong. Got it. .

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AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

No just you are wrong .

Side: True
3 points

Atheism is supposed to be simply the lack of a belief in any gods; nothing more. At some point, a doctrine of "and you've got to hate religion" seems to have been added into the picture. The obsession with religion is not atheism, that's New Atheism.

Side: True

If this were not true, atheists would stop arguing with theists and just let them be ;)

Side: True
5 points

If the theists don't want to argue, then they shouldn't be on a debate website.

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TheAshman(2299) Disputed
7 points

Debating/arguing isn't the problem it's intolerance thats the problem, many Theists enjoy a good debate but why should they have to put up with being insulted for their beliefs

Side: True
3 points

Jesus Joe, you're getting better at this.

Side: True
JARHEAD74(75) Disputed
1 point

takes two to argue . Your statement in its self proves your shallow thinking.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

You seem to be under the impression that I care what you think ;)

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2 points

I think atheists think that anytime they get into an argument about religion with a theist, they are trying to push their beliefs on them. They have to go on a total defense of their beliefs. While the theist was not trying to offend

Side: True
2 points

Its true most atheists that I know don't have any religious tolerance there are some who do and I appreciate them for having that.

Side: True
2 points

Asking an atheist to be tolerant of religion is like asking a working man to be tolerant of overbearing stupidity. Sure, they can; they just don't want to.

At least that's the way I sees it.

Side: True
1 point

Not all atheists lack religious tolerance, but some do. Some theists lack religious tolerance.

Side: True
2 points

I agree there are some on both sides that show no tolerance for anothers beliefs, just recently though I have found Atheists to be more abusive about it. One thing I have noticed about both sides is that the most vociferous are also the most arrogant as if they know everything there is to know about life the universe and everything

Side: True

What atheists lack is common sense. They reject rationality. Their intolerance just naturally follows from that.

Side: True
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

That can be argued for either side just because someone does not agree with you doesnt meen they dont have common sense

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Rawlings1234(26) Disputed
1 point
Rawlings1234(26) Disputed
0 points

No. Atheism is stupid. Period. One cannot rationally deny the possibility of God's existence. Period. Any such bald assertion as atheism is irrational. Period. Atheism is the fanaticism of blind faith. Period. There's nothing rational about it. Period.

The idea of God objectively exists in and of itself: it imposes itself on our minds in terms of origin without our willing that it do so. The irreducible primary of being is the inanimateness-consciousness dichotomy. The possibility of God’s existence cannot be rationally denied, and the idea of God, unlike the material realm of being, is not subject to the challenge of infinite regression. The atheist necessarily proves the cogency of these assertions every time he opens his yap and denies there be any substance behind the construct.

It’s not logical to declare that which is indisputably possible to be impossible. Do you follow?

Atheism is irrationalism. Who are the ninnies incessantly imagining that science can affirm or falsify the transcendent? Atheists! That’s irrational. If you’re not talking about empirical data, you’re not talking about science. Duh!

Do not tell me that atheism is rational or commonsensical. It is not!

Side: True
TimelordROOK(94) Disputed
1 point

Atheists lack common sense?

Mankind, at it's birth, is alone and scared. The world is so large and they are so small, when they look into the night sky, they only see lights. They don't know what those lights are, either. Actually, they don't know a whole lot about anything.

So, mankind decides, subconsciously, perhaps, to try to explain their world, define it. So, an idea from one, the idea that all mankind is protected by a larger force (God, for the sake of argument, because at this point in society, arguing that Zeus protects you is... outdated.) This force watches over mankind, says the man. People like the idea that their lives lie in the hands of a benevolent force, unseen and unheard, but always present. It gives them comfort. From there, many people spread the stories and as anyone who has every played "telephone" as a child knows, the stories get distorted through time until the same race that believed one thing so long ago now believe many different, but fundamentally similar, things (Christian vs Islam vs Judaism, essentially)

Eventually, mankind's arrogance and fear come to a boil, resulting in wars over whose version of the same comforting tale is correct. Those men pray to their God for strength in proving their truths and slaughter each other over a story that was told thousands of years ago to comfort people.

Fear bred Religion,

We invented God.

-common sense-

edited for clarification

That, by no means, implies that God is not important. I believe that mankind invented God as a place to house a Well of Courage that was, until then, inaccessible. For a time, God gave man strength. But, as a child will grow and leave the nest to make it on their own, I believe that mankind, as a whole, has seen enough and understands enough about our world to access the Well of Courage without the need for God to guard it. The time has come for man to take ownership of it's Well. It is time for mankind to be it's own Gods.

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Rawlings1234(26) Disputed
2 points

You write: "We invented God."

No we didn't. Common sense fail.

The idea of God objectively exists in and of itself: it imposes itself on our minds in terms of origin without our willing that it do so. The irreducible primary of being is the inanimateness-consciousness dichotomy. The possibility of God’s existence cannot be rationally denied, and the idea of God, unlike the material realm of being, is not subject to the challenge of infinite regression. The atheist necessarily proves the cogency of these assertions every time he denies there be any substance behind the construct.

The idea of God is not a figment of human culture.

Side: True

Please don't take this the wrong way but there is one little problem. Currently it looks like people, instead of taking ownership of the well, have decide to have government guard the well. They want the government to watch over them, protect them and take care of them. They see government as a benevolent force. Except that the government is not unseen and unheard, but it is always present. ;)

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1 point

Damn right. Why the hell should I put up with their silly beliefs in my face all the time. If they want to go talk to an invisible man in the sky then fine, their business. But I don't want them in my self waving a Bible shouting "Repent!" I don't go around with a Darwin fish around my neck waving The Origin Of Species at people saying " No, THIS is the truth."

Side: True

You should repent for that comment. Otherwise, you are going straight to hell. ;)

Side: True
1 point

Of all the deciding things that will send me to hell, this is not even on the top 1,000 :)

But being a perfectly kind human being, simply not following the laws of their silly superstitions can send you to an eternity of pain, shows you what a crap religion it is!

Oh well, see you there Joe :L

Side: True
1 point

right atheists are not tolerant towards religion because we don't believe in religion and if you live in the US your constantly having god rammed down your throat or thrown in your face. its on our currency !!! Christians feel like atheists are not tolerant because they don't realize the overbearing qualities of their beliefs. if believers kept there beliefs to themselves Atheists would have nothing say hence no intolerance.

Side: True
1 point

It's just from what I have seen Atheists seem to have this need to disprove religion now I'm fine believing in what makes since to me and letting others do the same but why do atheists always feel that they have to prove me wrong just because I believe in god?

Side: True
1 point

Yes, most atheist don't like religion. I know I don't myself

Side: True

Atheists are intolerant, just as religious people are. It's hard to be tolerant when people say so many stupid things. The most tolerant people are the agnostics, because they have no side in this war.

Side: True

I hate to say, but the ones I have met do have religious intolerance.

Side: True
0 points

Well atheists shure don't tolerate Christians all that much. At least that's my experience any way.

Side: True
warrior(1854) Clarified
1 point

A vote down. Oh my did I strike a nerve atheists? troll face

Side: True
10 points

I think, if anything, the religious community lacks tolerance for atheists.

How many atheist groups are there in your area? Now how many church groups? Religious folks have national holidays celebrating their religion, church property everywhere and churches own many of our best universities. They get tax breaks because they are religious, when no atheist group has ever received these breaks, no matter how many people they help. There are armies of these guys running around our neighborhoods in cheesy suits asking people if they have found Jesus.

Look what we tolerate. Are you kidding me?

On the other hand, America is so intolerant of atheism that atheists have no voice in politics at all. There has never been a non religious president, ever. Even an agnostic could never be elected.

People are allowed to base their beliefs in logic, not faith, without being labeled intolerant. An unwillingness to entertain non-sense is not intolerance. Wanting your kids to learn facts in school, instead of fairy tales about talking snakes, is not intolerance.

Wake up and look around, brah. The intolerance is packed into all these churches every Sunday.

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Liberty1996(5) Disputed
0 points

I've never argued with someone about my faith without them bringing it up first, and I'm not starting here, but to say that Theist people lack tolerance of Atheists is entirely false. I don't care if you are Atheist, but Atheist do not receive the benefits that organized religion receives because Atheism is unorganized. Also, Atheism is not necessarily based on a simple disbelief in God as many would argue, but instead a hate of religion. Atheism is more or less a Hate group, and for the KKK to receive tax breaks would be a horrendous mistake, and the same goes for Atheism.

Side: True
judas(295) Disputed
3 points

Have you ever had an atheist knock on your door and try to convert you to their belief system? I haven't.

So is atheism a "hate group" or is it "unorganized"? You should make up your mind.

The KKK huh? The KKK is a protestant christian organization that does not have much tolerance for other belief systems, if you hadn't noticed. It's funny that you remind everyone of the extremely religious and violently intolerant Ku Klux Klan.

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slappy11(34) Disputed
3 points

There is no way you can compare the KKK to an Atheist. The KKK killed multiple people because they were different. Atheists believe that there is no god. Comparing those things is like comparing Saw to Breakfast Club. Also not all Atheist hate religion I think your mixing another thing up again. I have two very Religious friends and I'm Atheist. I don't hate them so please fact check before you write.

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warrior(1854) Disputed
-1 points

That was a pretty hate filled rant you went on there you really should try being more tolerant of the religious community just the fact that they believe differently than you doesn't make them your enemy.

Side: True
BlueShaman(3) Disputed
2 points

There wasn't really any hate in it at all, was there?

Studies show atheists are distrusted more than rapists. That they are the most disliked group in America. They continue to be insulted and persecuted. It's a perfectly valid thing to state.

They are their enemy, and that is because of what they do and not what they believe. Although their beliefs also say to murder and persecute atheists, so...

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3 points

Any evidence the dude with the sign is atheist? .

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The cartoon is meant to lighten the topic so that those people who do not want to take it seriously don't have to. Those who do want to take the topic seriously can simply ignore the cartoon. ;)

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3 points

If anything the green dude is the atheist.

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warrior(1854) Disputed
0 points

They're both warming green though I do agree that this is an inaccurate representation of atheists. Real atheists attack Christianity.

Side: True
warrior(1854) Disputed
2 points

That was the implication. Because Atheists are always saying how religiously tolerant they are and then they blame intolerance on religion it's self if not then just Christianity. Oh hypocrisy.

Side: True

As with every group there are lots of different people, some are tolerant and some are not. Keep in mind that this is a debate site. There are two types of people that debate, those who have a sincere interest in learning other people's perspectives, and those who just like to argue and try to prove that they are right to boost their ego. Unfortunately, this website seems to be dominated by the latter group. Also keep in mind that the whole purpose of this website it to debate, so if you think someone pointing out the flaws in your logic is being intolerant, then you shouldn't be on a debate site.

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TheAshman(2299) Disputed
3 points

There are some people who do debate on here properly as you say pointing out flaws etc, unfortunately there are some that are intolerant of others and they normally start with insults and being abusive instead of debating properly

Side: True
LittleMisfit(1747) Clarified
2 points

I agree, that is why I said "some are tolerant some are not." There is no excuse for people to be insulting and abusive. It just shows their lack of maturity. I wish they would realize that no matter how good their arguments may be, being a dick about it is just going to make the person tune you out, not listen to what you're saying.

Side: True

There is one more type of person on this site..., the ones that like making jokes ;)

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3 points

That is a grand over-generalization of what it means to be an atheist. Atheism is simply: Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. Sure maybe some are intolerant towards religions, but so are some religious people. Atheist are usually in fact very tolerant towards religions, they just refute all religious beliefs. And i also ask, what morally correct thing can a theist do, that an atheist cant do?

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4 points

Couldn't agree more.

tolerance, like charity begins at home. If we're going to make gross generalisations like this then we have to consider what the theists attitude is here. I'm sorry to say but there is just no way that a theist has a tolerant attitude of any atheist. actually, theists don't even tolerate EACH OTHER! whether you say you tolerate someone's belief is irrelevant.

Any theist who conforms to an abrahamic religion (3/4 people in the world roughly) believes that anyone who doesn't believe what they do, is going to burn in hell for eternity. it's very easy to tolerate someone when this is your belief.

can you even say that you're tolerating a belief, if this is what you believe? a thiest's belief is way more dogmatic than an atheist's. Is it really tolerance to say "you're entitled to your belief, but if you don't believe what i believe then you're going to hell?" Atheists don't "lack" any "religious tolerance" at all. They give it the rational respect it deserves.

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TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

You might not believe in God but you seem to have a firm belief in double standards, complain about people making generalisations about Atheists then make sweeping generalisations about Theists.

Side: True
3 points

Because the majority of religions don't tolerate us. AND THEIR BELIEFS ARE TRIPE, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO BACK THEMSELVES UP? NOTHING. WE HAVE IT ALL

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TimelordROOK(94) Clarified
3 points

Their beliefs are what gets them through the day. Some people need religion, some people don't. Some can operate on faith, some need proof. All Atheists really have is a calculated way of PROVING things. We lack all of the answers, but we attempt to understand the questions beyond the simple "It is, because God wills it" philosophy. Atheists desire to know WHY something happens. Religion shuns the "why" and replaces it with a simple "God did it" and the people who subscribe to that don't require an answer to "why", they only care that it IS. Faith is a very beautiful concept, organized religion is a scourge. I sincerely hope that those here can understand the distinction. Too much evil has been done in the name of one God or the other for any but the ignorant to forget.

Remember, before you decide to flame me:

What I said is "God is good, the Church is bad." and that goes for ALL churches. When a church becomes powerful enough, they fear the loss of that power and attempt to destroy all opposition. That's human nature, not the nature of a God.

Side: True

The Tibetan monks also don't bother with the "why" and they also don't follow a God. It is faith in its purest form. I guess it is the only religion that is not a scourge ;)

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warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

So let me try to sum up what you just said. I'm tolerant of the idea of god. But I'm intolerant of religion. Yet more proff that atheists are intolerant of religion

Side: True
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

Maybe its because of your attitude people cant tolerate you, "we have it all" what utter bollocks you cant prove or disprove the existence of God which makes your attitude as bad the religous nutter who says he knows for definate God is real and anyone who doesnt believe him will burn in hell

Side: True
Inquirer(10) Disputed
2 points

Then you agree that theists have just as bad an attitude as an atheist. Look at your own comment and see how you have generalised one comment "we have it all" to represent the entirety of atheism. One atheist does not speak for another. atheism is an individualistic belief. it is unique to each person, it can mean many many things over and above not beleiving that there is a god.

sure no one can prove anything - not deductively at least. The same way you can't deductively "prove" that the sun will come up tomorrow? but would any part of you doubt that it will? it's called inductive logic. It goes hand in hand with abductive logic. even if you did doubt that the sun would rise tomorrow - you should then be an agnostic, not a theist. if we're to talk of tolerance then we have to put it in perspective - tolerance of atheist's in RELATION to theist's tolerance.

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Dynamic(12) Disputed
2 points

This is my example. This is why "we cannot prove or disprove there is a god" is asinine. We have logic for a reason, we need to use it more.

Supporting Evidence: Hermione (loltheists.com)
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timber113(796) Disputed
1 point

AND THEIR BELIEFS ARE TRIPE, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO BACK THEMSELVES UP? NOTHING. WE HAVE IT ALL

Thats exactly what the man is talking about. your acting like a child. Calling another person's belief tripe just because it doesnt line up with what you believe is tripe. and what is worse is that you caps lock everything like an immature troll

Side: True
2 points

That religious kid wearing that sign needs to chill out .

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It sounds to me like it's about time the atheists built their own church and reap the benefits of an atheist religion ;)

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warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

An atheist religion? Isn't that an oxymoron? I mean a religion dedicated to the worship of what science? Like your priests are scientists and you mass is just a physics lecture? Would there be a separate denomination for each scientific study each using there own study of science to learn all the answers? And then the different atheist denominations start to argue over which scientific study is the correct one. And arguments turn into violence and an atheist holy war brakes out. Holy shit ATHEIST CRUSADE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD. I'm haveing way to much fun with this

Side: True

Yeah. That's exactly what I mean ;)

Side: True
2 points

Not all of them. I know atheists that are better than some Christians.

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I am one of the agnostics, and yes I am one who loves to pokes religious belief. But I do know when to stop and when now avert the conversation if it gets wee obnoxious or annoying. I think that the lacking of the tolerance goes both ways.

I think it's not the tolerance that is obnoxious about atheist, but rather the uproar and internet spread, including the comics and always present youtube videos, which are all around us, which not that much is seen from the deist.

I tolerate, but love to poke with care. :P (yes makes me seem rather mean and thus wee intolerant)

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I don't find this true. I fully respect those who have religious beliefs of any sort. Even if I disagree, I believe that everyone has the right to their own opinions. Just because I am an atheists does not mean I "lack religious tolerance' Religion has nothing to do with that. Its just the kind of person you are.

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1 point

Being an atheist means not believing in the concept of god. Atheists are a minority in this world. The problem with religious people is that they just can't keep their religion to themselves. They just have to thrust it upon you. Atheists on the other hand will only debate you if you ask them to or push them to. Strident atheism's recent rise has been as a reply to rising extremism in religion and not on its own. Most atheists want humanism and compassion to prevail in this world. Religious people on the other hand lack humanism and compassion, are judge people for frivolous reasons and create unnecessary problems.

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1 point

Tolerance levels have to be measured by the same yardstick that the theists follow. The theists have never tolerated each other. They even have rights issues over God. The Catholics says they own him. They have unwanted fights in the name of God. The atheists by comparison only use their most potent weapon - the word.

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1 point

um its the other way around religious people especially christian are the most judgmental intolerant hypocritical people ever and do not follow the teachings of Jesus in fact do the opposite.

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1 point

Have you heard of the vocal minority? Generally, it appears to me that there are small minorities of theists and atheists that like to argue to till they're blue in the face, but the vast majority of both sides are willing to let the other alone.

And really, that's all we should hope for; you have your beliefs, I have mine, and our mutual beliefs are of no concern to the other.

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