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It's not a choice. They can change.
Debate Score:454
Arguments:189
Total Votes:575
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Can we all agree that gay people do NOT choose to be gay?

Can we all agree that people are born gay and that they are NOT able to change and become heterosexual anymore than they can physically change their eye color?

It's not a choice.

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They can change.

Side Score: 223

They can't choose to be straight any more than a straight person can choose to be Gay any one who says otherwise is just a moron.

Side: It's not a choice.
4 points

Your entire argument is justified by the theory that being a moron is something that your opinion determines.

Side: They can change.
4 points

Stop down voting it is stupid. Read the rest of my argument other than the moron part.

Side: It's not a choice.
robag2000(64) Disputed
1 point

Why would anyone change from being heterosexual to homosexual? Who would want that? Who who want the morons who bully them for being homosexual? Who would want to deal with the emotional stress it takes to be homosexual? Honestly think a little harder before you choose a side.

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
1 point

They can't choose to be straight any more than a straight person can choose to be Gay any one who says otherwise is just a moron.

I don't know what also says that.... like the BIBLE says that being gay is a sin

Side: They can change.
7 points

The Bible is just a book, who cares what it says.

Side: It's not a choice.
Krista123(7) Disputed
2 points

The bible also says wearing clothes of mixed fibers, eating shellfish, and getting a tattoo is sin.

Side: It's not a choice.
5 points

Well this is nice to come back to- JC making serious debate. On top of that, one I agree with XD

Side: It's not a choice.
12characters(224) Clarified
4 points

Yes let's all cheer on the glorified shameless point-farming bitch of this site.

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
4 points

Well this is nice to come back to- JC making serious debate. On top of that, one I agree with XD

Could you explain why the bible calls it an abomination

Side: They can change.
Jungelson(3931) Disputed
4 points

Not without resorting to logic and reason.. Which are clearly beyond your capabilities.

Side: It's not a choice.
MuckaMcCaw(1968) Disputed
3 points

Because the people who wrote it were intolerent bigots. Homosexuality made them uncomfortable, but they couldn't come up with a legitimate reason for it to be restricted, so they appealed to an authority that ignorant people would heed. One of the greatest acts of propaganda--and idiocy--in human history.

Side: It's not a choice.
4 points

It's pretty simple it's not a choice, right? I'll add a very, very, important statistic before I jump into the anecdotal/emotional appeal.

72% of all LGBT had no conscious choice in their sexuality. This is credit to the APA (the American Psychological Association http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx) ) Does that make any sense, whatsoever, if it wasn't a choice? That 72% of LGBT would simply lie about their choice in their sexuality?

Anyway, to the emotional point, it's just a few questions I'd like to ask:

-Would you choose something, then be scared of telling others about it?

-Did you choose to be heterosexual?

-Would you choose to be kicked out of your home?

-Would you choose something, knowing you'll be bullied by your peers?

-Would you choose something, knowing that it will be of detriment to your education?

-Would you choose something, knowing that you will be hated, refused rights, etc.

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
3 points

They become gay because they are rebellious............................................

Side: They can change.
Awesome1202 Disputed
3 points

The bible wouldn't of condemned it if it wasn't a sin..................................................

Side: They can change.
Krista123(7) Disputed
2 points

Do we need to go through this again? I can.

One.) I did not choose it because I was rebellious. I did not choose homosexuality. I did not choose to be kicked out. I confided in my father, was honest, and he kicked me out of the house. So there goes your "rebellious" theory.

Two.) The Bible is not always correct. Genesis 30:37-39, for example, shows the "word of God" has no basic biological knowledge.

Side: It's not a choice.

How could they change then?

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
1 point

reparative therapy is one way and stop being homosexual..........................

Side: They can change.
Krista123(7) Disputed
4 points

All therapy to 'cure' homosexuality is proven, by 80% of all major psychological associations, to be of great detriment to the homosexual's mental stability, health, and well-being. They advise for all parents and homosexuals NOT to go through any form of therapy for their sexuality.

Side: It's not a choice.
Jungelson(3931) Disputed
3 points

If I told you to, could you become gay? Just stop being straight..? Do you think therapy will make you find the same sex form attractive, and the opposite unattractive, both physically and emotionally..?

If so you're wrong. Very wrong.

Side: It's not a choice.

This assertion does not come from the homosexual community, but rather from those outside of it who lack any kind of knowledge or perspective regarding the thought processes of homosexuals.

There is less than zero basis to make the claim, and tons of evidence that suggests exactly the opposite. Near as I can tell, it's an attempt to make a bigoted directive in the Torah seem less bigoted by framing it as a choice.

If one must insist that being gay is a choice, I ask them to test it themselves by pulling up some gay/lesbian pornography (depending) and stimulating themselves to it. Let them make the choice temporarily, and 'prove' it to themselves by achieving a climax in this way. They can repent to their God after, but if they are unable (or unwilling) to enjoy something sexual with the non-preferred sex by choice, I consider their stance thoroughly debunked. Even if they ARE able to enjoy it, it hasn't proved that sexuality is a choice, as the individual may well be suppressing certain things about themselves in favor of their agenda.

Side: It's not a choice.
3 points

If it was a choice: are we all born bisexual and then choose to be either straight or gay? Why would anyone choose to be gay, anyway? There is no reason to. Gay people are discriminated against at varying levels around the world, from cyber-bullying to execution.

Side: It's not a choice.
3 points

People can't choose. If we could. We all would be straight and normal.

Side: It's not a choice.
2 points

If god is real. I think he put gays down here to show that love. Is in many different forms.

Side: It's not a choice.

I can speak from experience as a bisexual woman. I did not choose to be this way.

Side: It's not a choice.
Jungelson(3931) Clarified
3 points

Woah, have your points dropped suddenly since I left..???

Side: It's not a choice.

How? What the? PROD! He's going down! .

Side: It's not a choice.
2 points

not many people like being gay. atleast most didn't like it until more people started accepting what they were and became proud of whatever their choices were.

i don't think anybody can help liking whatever or whoever they like.

Side: It's not a choice.
2 points

It not a choice. People that believe in god that a choice. But if your born with feelings. And those feelings are what you will become. Like me my feelings are for men I didn't choose.

Side: It's not a choice.

When people say their born gay, they actually mean it. When the person is nothing but a forming egg, the testosterone and estrogen goes into the egg. When the Body is formed those two hormones land in certain places. Guess where they land, the brain. Proving that a lot of people are born gay or lesbian.

Side: It's not a choice.
1 point

It the same with my friend. He never have a choice. He wanted to be normal. But he was betrayed by his sexual feelings. But still back to topic. Gays didn't have a choice. They were born like that.

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
3 points

Wrong ever heard of conversion therapy...........................................

Side: They can change.
3 points

Prove him wrong. .

Side: It's not a choice.
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

conversion therapy is so not working good. He is right. It not a choice.

Side: It's not a choice.

If Gay people choose to be Gay, then straight people choose to be straight.

Why don't all of the "straight" people go experiment to see if it is a choice?

If they enjoy Gay sex, then we can conclude that having a gay sexual preference is a choice. If the majority of them don't enjoy it, then we conclude that it isn't.

Side: It's not a choice.
1 point

For all of my heterosexual friends out there: Why would you choose to want to be romantic with the opposite sex? How dare you!

Side: It's not a choice.
1 point

However, you do get those swagfag hipsters being gay to be cool

Side: It's not a choice.
1 point

it's not a choice it's how they are born there is nothing wrong with it

Side: It's not a choice.

Sexuality is attraction. One does not actively choose who they do or do not find attractive. Therefore, homosexuals do not choose to be gay. It is incredibly sad how completely and utterly devoid of reason the arguments on the other side are, as they are based on either A. The bible, which has nothing to do with whether or not sexuality is a choice, or B. Pure and utter immature reactions, i.e. "Homosexuality is gross".

Side: It's not a choice.

What about bestiality? Do people who have sex with animals have a choice? Is it immature to think of bestiality as gross? What about pedophilia? Who gets to decide where the line is drawn and where do they draw the line? Just playing devil's advocate ;)

Side: It's not a choice.
thousandin1(1932) Clarified
1 point

I wouldn't say that any of them have a choice in the objects of their attraction. I'm certainly not attracted to any dog I've seen, and there is nothing I could do to MAKE myself attracted to a dog. Same deal with a little kid, as far as I know.

Homosexuality in and of itself is victimless, though. Pedophilia, not so much. We draw the line when it comes to children because we don't believe children to be capable of making informed consent; the same logic is often applied to bestiality, though admittedly that's far more of a grey area.

Side: It's not a choice.
1 point

Some people happen to be attracted to the same sex. That isn't wrong. However, those who are attracted to the same sex are not required to have a relationship with either gender.

Side: It's not a choice.
10 points

It's a choice of the bible wouldn't of banned it............................................

Side: They can change.

The bible is not a moral book. A lot of what is written there is very evil and nasty.

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
9 points

The bible is not a moral book. A lot of what is written there is very evil and nasty.

Like?

Side: They can change.
goodmale(1459) Disputed
4 points

How do straight people even get it. I mean if you were born straight. How do you know being gay is a choice.

Side: It's not a choice.
Jungelson(3931) Disputed
1 point

Need I point out the flaws in this statement..? I will anyway XD

If it means so much to you, could you at lest spell Bible properly, namely, with a capital letter..?!

Secondly, and slightly more importantly, why should anyone care what the Bible says on homosexuality..? I mean, it also encourages slavery, are you going say that mankind is wrong then for condemning slavery? Go on then, I challenge you to openly say that, if you're going to take the Bible so literally.

Side: It's not a choice.
Awesome1202 Disputed
8 points

Need I point out the flaws in this statement..? I will anyway XD

If it means so much to you, could you at lest spell Bible properly, namely, with a capital letter..?!

Secondly, and slightly more importantly, why should anyone care what the Bible says on homosexuality..? I mean, it also encourages slavery, are you going say that mankind is wrong then for condemning slavery? Go on then, I challenge you to openly say that, if you're going to take the Bible so literally.

The bible supports slavery but only if you treat your slaves nice not like plantation slavery that was common in the 1800s

Side: They can change.
1 point

Nowhere in the bible does it ban homosexual (the sexual orientation), only actions of homosexual intercourse, so your logic is lacking.

Side: It's not a choice.
5 points

Mmmmm I like pouring hot syrup on my face and having butterflies lick it off ^-^

Side: They can change.
4 points

Homosexuality is a perversion....................................................

Side: They can change.
2 points

How is two consenting adults committing to a lifelong partnership wrong or perverted?

Side: It's not a choice.
kjnwkjqn(11) Disputed
5 points

How is two consenting adults committing to a lifelong partnership wrong or perverted?

I don't know the bible which you supposedly follow......

Side: They can change.
wejdnwjkndjk(5) Disputed
2 points

It's a sin.................................................................................

Side: They can change.
Gaytruth(38) Disputed
1 point

The bible condemns it in many places such as Genesis 19 and Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:26

Side: They can change.
4 points

The bible condemns it and God's wrath is already being called out on gay people....

It's called AIDS

Side: They can change.
hannah165(520) Disputed
1 point

You know straight people can get AIDS too, right?

Side: It's not a choice.
BigOats(1326) Disputed
2 points

According to a survey made by CDC in 2010, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says.

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msmpressrelease.html

Side: They can change.
2 points

No, I Think That Is An Opinion That People Still Have, Sorry.

Side: They can change.
2 points

Explain, how they can change or shut the hell up.

Side: It's not a choice.
1 point

It Isn't My Opinion. I Was Just Answering The Question. People Continue To Believe That Ridiculous Idea. I Can't Change Their Thoughts.

Side: It's not a choice.

Whilst one doesn't choose to find gay sex pleasurable or disgusting (nor straight sex), they choose the lifestyle they lead and should toughen the fuck up if they want to survive in a religious society.

Life isn't meant to be fair; it's meant to be brutal and spontaneous because we are animals, not robots.

Either be normal or be good at hiding it.

That is it.

Humans are not a merciful species, we were designed to dominate, destroy and bully not only other species but our own fellows.

We thrive off programs, movies and stories where death, torture, backstabbing and bullying are all intertwined. We need bad guys to exist for good guys to be good.

If no one bullied the gays then the gay activists would just be evil fucks without a purpose to be good.

In reality we don't choose anything; even our belief in choice.

If we are to consider, realistically, what society should deem it to be then the gay chooses to be a faggot, regardless of internal feelings. Otherwise we might as well say the murderer didn't choose to murder; it was an involuntary urge they had.

Side: They can change.
Jungelson(3931) Disputed
3 points

Or, and it's just an or, you could stop being such a bitch about it and stop living in a fantasy world where everyone conforms to your totalitarian religious-come-dictatorial society. I mean seriously?

"In reality, we don't choose anything" you say, however you argue homosexuality is a choice..? Sir, go home, you're clearly confused...

Side: It's not a choice.
7 points

First legalise all things that society has deemed as an invalid lust, such as that of pedophilia, necrophilia or bestiality, and then homosexuality will make sense to allow.

Side: They can change.
kjnwkjqn(11) Disputed
4 points

Homosexuals should be put to death as another user said................

Side: They can change.
Awesome1202 Disputed
3 points

Homosexuality should be punished by death......................................

Side: They can change.
Awesome1202 Disputed
1 point

Homosexuality should be punished by death......................................

Side: They can change.
2 points

I certainly don't think one can just choose what gets their rocks off, but that doesn't mean your sexuality is stagnant throughout your life. It may not be as easy as straight or gay for some people. A lot of people straddle on their orientation, and those people should be who we look to when we ask these kinds of questions. How much is choice, how much is predisposition, and how much does it ultimately matter whether it is one or the other? Choices define people no less than their genes, and if someone chooses to date someone of their own sex, I don't see how anyone would have the right to question them.

Side: They can change.
2 points

I believe homosexuality is wrong according to the bible.............................

Side: They can change.
1 point

They can change, it's proved by tons of evidence.

But we can still all agree they don't choose to be gay: ITS..THE...GENES...TELLING...THEM..WHAT..TO...DO

THEY...OBEY

Side: They can change.