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He created everything Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:77
Arguments:50
Total Votes:83
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Did God create atheists?

If he did, would it be poetic justice or irony?

He created everything

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Wait..., what? No!!!

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3 points

God created free will...therefore he created the ability for people to be atheists and theists. Some choose one path, the rest choose a different path.

The way I see it is who realy knows? In South Park it was the Mormons!

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....The real question here is "Did God Create God?" .... lol ....

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Jungelson(3955) Disputed
2 points

Could anything have always existed?? The simple answer to this is no, it couldn't. Time moves in a linear form, so nothing can have always existed. So surely everything that has every existed must have had a beginning, non? So, space for example must have had a beginning. But, if true, then what was there before space. The same question represents its self when we consider God. God had a beginning, so before his beginning, there was no God. So, what created this God?? Well, nothing but the God its self could have created this, according to the Bible, but as we have already discovered, you can never get something from nothing. It is simply illogical. God may have created all sorts of things, but he could hardly create himself before he had a self to to create with. So, this leaves us with only one probability, that God, did not create himself, and that he has always existed. But, wait! Everything that exists/existed/will exist has had or will have a beginning. Ergo, there is no God. Not really that complicated. Again I had fun.

I like Sophie's world, tis a good book, yeeees it is.

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Math allows for the universe to either have always existed and/or sprung forth from nothing.

Time is a man made concept to help us organize our thoughts. As far as the math is concerned, all of time is happening at the same time.

The concept of infinity doesn't freak me out. All I want to know is Why? Why something? Why not nothing?

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Warjin(1577) Disputed
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I was just joking lol, but on a real note, time isn't linear, space and time can be bent so in other words time is in a loop, so in a sense there was never a beginning and there is no end.

Time in space is different depending on the mass of an object warping space, example time is slower and even stops near things with great mass like a black hole, even large bodies like Jupiter, scientist did a test they placed two clocks one in space and one on earth and the clock in space ended up being faster because it was father away from earth's mass.

There are things we really cant comprehend fully no matter how hard we try and I think time is one of them.

Supporting Evidence: Time Dilation (en.wikipedia.org)
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timber113(795) Disputed
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Time moves in a linear form, so nothing can have always existed.

Most gods exist outside of time. They created all things (mostly the monothesitic God) and time is just another one of their creations. According to you time is linear. So im suspecting if it has a beginning and an end we can liken it to a line segment. But lines themselves have no beginnings or ends and they are a basic principle in Mathematics.They are also a physical representation of some natural occurence. So are circles they are infinite. so in all fairness if these simple drawings and representations can be infinite then some intelligent being can also be infinite. Again according to some people matter and energy always existed and if that is the case, the same goes for an intelligent being. So lets not give the universe or multiverse any limits.

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eskimolee(12) Disputed
1 point

Everyone knows that Man created god. Out of fear of death.

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2 points

If God exists and created everything then he created Atheists which is kind of ironic, if he doesn't then he didn't and it's all irrelevant

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God created all things and gave all people a choice. In all fariness if he decided to only create people that ended up in heaven then he is automatically removing the choice of everyone else that never existed, in essence he is filtering and judging before we have done anything and thus eliminating choice

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I think God created atheists just to mess with them when they die ;)

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1 point

God creates people its up to the people if they believe in god or not. But in a strictly literal seance he did create them yes. Just not as atheists.

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Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Every newborn is an atheist and they stay atheist unless their parents decide to brainwash them.

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Del1176(4975) Disputed
2 points

A newborn is of no affiliation at all.

They go by selfish instinct and impulse much like a Satanist. Nonetheless, they consciously of no affiliation and don't give the slightest thought to a God (and thus don't 'doub't God either).

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God creates everyone but he does not create atheists. It is that persons opinion and choice if they do not want to believe in God.

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Mastersword(32) Clarified
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Your second argument is made incorrect by your first argument "God creates everyone" If he creates everyone he creates atheists.

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God created even the wicked for the Day of Trouble so that His glory may be seen through the destruction of those who have been made for dishonorable use.

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Mastersword(32) Disputed
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And you say "God" is nice? The Day of Trouble was made by humans to appease "God"

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lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

God is great and loving and wonderful and nice and caring for all of His elect in the absolute! God is great ad loving and wonderful and nice and caring for all of His creations in a more limited sense.

The Day of Trouble shall come and all those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved!

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3 points

Actually atheists created gods.... .

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Jungelson(3955) Disputed
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Well based on what atheists know ( notice I don't use the word 'believe' ) I don't think they would have done so. IS WHAT A STUPID PERSON WOULD SAY, nah I don't know, but I would have thought the government/ rulers of the time kept religion for so long because it's something to keep the people happy, to keep them under control. Or, people just invented religion because they couldn't answer the big questions like "where do we come from" and " what is the world made of" e.t.c. Which Parmenides, Anaxagoras and Democritus, the first 'natural' philosophers decided to try and work out ( some ways successfully, others not! ) It is also worth noting they were all atheists. So to answer your question, no God did not create atheists, but atheists did create God. besides, if there was no God/deity in the first place of any sort, everyone would be atheists. Well, not exactly atheists, because before a God, there would be no theists, thus no atheists. Tricky business oui? But atheists created God... Unless you go back to a time before there was a God, yet people still believed in giving offerings to the rain forest because of their superstitions. But that's around 7,000BC so it's a little hard to determine what people thought then..! I had fun here!

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If atheists created God, then why are they now hell bent on un-creating Him ;)

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Let's say there is a god, even then he didn't create atheism he may have created humans, but humans having their own minds have made the decision to form an idealistic thought that their is no god. That's like saying god created grills, or that he created pills. so no...

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riahlize(1568) Disputed
2 points

How do you know this deity created humans? You've already made an assumption, one that the rest of your argument is based on. You have only set up a hypothetical scenario of a deity existing, not what the characteristics, powers and/or limitations of this deity may have or what this deity has done.

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I don't know i truly know nothing only mere assumption, but if i was to enter the debate with the thought of him not creating humans i would have just said no god didn't create atheists due to the fact that he didn't create humans. The question "Did god create atheists," implicates that he created humans why ask a question about humanitie's creations if you think god didn't create humans, the asker would have immediately known that he didn't create atheism i'm basing my response upon the question not my beliefs. I have no need of using bias oppinions to answer a question someone has with a different idealistic mind.

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Because I try to create debates that messes with people's heads. A debate where they have to stop and think of the implications. Debates that are inherently ironic. ;)

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If a personal god does exist then the answer is yes, if a personal god doesn't exist then the answer is no. There is no reason to think any god exists.

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God didn't create atheists. We created atheism because we went our separate ways and humans came up with atheism not God.

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OK it depends on what you believe i am an atheist i am fine with what ever you believe but in an atheists prospective No

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No, but we, as a species, did evolve the capacity for religion. Therefore, having religion must have given us some kind of competitive advantage. That's why I believe in God, and that he created men, including atheists.

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Wait..., what? I thought you were an atheist?!?! Is this one of those cases where the internet is in dire need of a sarcastic font ;)

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Nope, Atheism is the result of doubt in the Lord. It is not a new religion, it is the absence of it. God created Humanity yes, but this belief just existed on by its own freewill

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Why do the majority of your arguments contain this as the opposing opinion: "Wait..., what? No!!!" ?

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What I do not understand is this. What athiest would think a non-exsisting god/all-father created them? What Christian would think that god didnt create them?

It's just Athiests vs Christian fight, and whoever has the most people win

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