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Should gay couples want their children to be gay?

XAEON wrote: "*Mounting evidence points to the fact that homosexuality is enduced by a misproduction of hormones during pregnancy. There is no choice in whether or not to have homosexual thoughts or tendancies; sexual orientation is dictated by complex chemical reactions that go on in the body. Essentially, you're left with what could be thought of as a female-oriented brain in a male body, or vice versa, which is why many homosexuals could also be discribed as 'camp.'*"

In theory, someone should be able to come up with either a test to determine whether or not a fetus is gay or a regiment of hormones to correct the "problem."  This puts heterosexuals in the driver's seat with regards to the future of homosexuals.  Since abortion is legal, they may opt to abort the gay fetus.  If there's a treatment available, they may opt for that.  Either way, you would expect to see a drop in the homosexual population (although I doubt it would ever drop down to zero).

Alternatively, gay couples may opt to create gay children.  But a gay lifestyle is a hard life in today's society.  Would you be willing to put your children through that?

I'm not gay so I wont put in my two cents.  But I am interested in the gay community's point of view.

yes

Side Score: 40
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no

Side Score: 45
5 points

Many (if not most) Fathers want little boys.

A lot of Mothers want little girls.

Some deaf parents want deaf children.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article3087367.ece

Gay couples should not feel conflicted about wanting a gay child.

The conflict comes from the hard reality of today's treatment of gays.

Gays need to change today's world so that the gay children of tomorrow have a better life. You do this by stating that gays are humand beings and should be respected and treated as such. PERIOD!

Gays should not have to explain that it's a choice or it's a hormone imbalance or a genetic mutation or a disease or anything. No explanantion. Gays are human. PERIOD! END OF STORY.

If gays start explaining away their gayness, they are doing themselves a disfavor. They would be opening up the door for others who want to "FIX" gays. Gays don't need fixing, so don't say it's genetic, or hormonal or anything. Being gay is not a handicap. Gays don't need special treatment. They just need to be treated just like everyone else, with a little dignity and respect. THAT"S IT.

Just say, I'm gay, there's nothing wrong with me, I'm proud to be gay and I want a gay child and I want you to treat him/her with the same respect and dignity offered to other children.

Side: yes
anotherguy34(5) Disputed
1 point

"Gays should not have to explain that it's a choice or it's a hormone imbalance or a genetic mutation or a disease or anything. No explanantion. Gays are human. PERIOD! END OF STORY"

How eloquent.

Pedophiles should not have to explain that its a choice or its a hormone imbalance.....THEIR HUMAN. Period. (Sarcasm). IF gays were born gay pedophiles were born pedo. Therfore they should not be jailed due to an evolutionary mishap.( More Sarcasm). Realize the double standard......

Side: no
3 points

I think that it should not matter whether or not the child is gay, a parent should be able to want their child to be anything they want it to be. Does that mean that the child will be gay? Of course not.

Parents want boys or girls sometimes whats wrong with that? If a parent wants their child to be like them even if that means sexual orientation should not matter in the least.

It is not morally wrong to want something is it?

Side: yes
2 points

I'm not gay either, but you sent me an invite for my opinion, so you think I'm gay? haha.

Anyway, I want further proof that gayness is all because of chemical imbalances during pregnancy. The fact that it says being gay is uncontrollable to the gay person sounds like crap. Because otherwise, it's just screaming that more and more women are producing more and more abnormal children. This isn't the only issue going on during pregnancy these days causing abnormal babies/humans.

I do agree there should be a test to determine if the child will be gay or not. If they're that certain it's about the hormones, it shouldn't be that hard to test. I mean, heck, they can test for Downs Syndrome now. However, if the child will turn out to be gay, aborting the child should definitely not be allowed. If anything, it can grant better preparations for when the child is born. On the other hand, if it really is all about hormones, it should be correctable during pregnancy... in my personal opinion anyway. A pill will be invented in no time. And next thing you know, there will be a pill to correct the hormonal balances in gay people today if that is why they're gay. But imagine the war that'll break out...

Do gay couples want gay children? A proud gay would definitely want a gay child. Gays that feel like they got the bottom hand and got screwed over, would probably want a straight child just so they wouldn't have to go through what they go through. But again, this is my personal opinion coming live from a straight person... who thinks chicks are hot. :-)

Side: yes
5 points

Homosexuality is the result of a complex combination of biopsychosocial factors. To say otherwise is simply ignorant.

As for testing: why should a test be available? The fact is that it creates a system open to abuse.

Side: yes
2 points

Yea, you're right. All the tests available today are ridiculous, but we're in a curious and controlling world and we can't stop the possibility that it will become available. I don't think any person in their "right" mind care to spend money on a test to see if their child will be gay anyway. I can imagine a certain handful, (or a lot more than I want to believe) that would go for the test because gay people repulse them and the idea of their own child being gay would make them feel like God effed them over big time or something. But is someone wanting to test it any different than someone wanting to test to see if they'll have a child with Downs Syndrome? All in the same, I think it shouldn't matter if the child will have a disability or abnormal sexuality or psyc or what, but to others, they truly want a normal kid. As if "Normality" seriously exists.

Side: yes
SupremeLord(44) Disputed
0 points

You are bad at lying missy. You know prefectly well that nobody s born gay.

People turn gay later in real life ;cause they realize they are not so attractive and/or there are some problems with their gentinals or whatever. SO isntead of embrassing themselves to the opposite sex, why not say that you are gay that you are not suppose to date the opposite race?

It's like a kid saying hockey sucks after a bad hockey game.

It's like a guy saying girls suck after a breakup.

Side: No
Nichole(689) Disputed
2 points

I'm pretty sure I have another post somewhere saying I don't fully believe being gay is a result of hormones or whatever. I was arguing as if it is true though because not many people agree with my side of the issue.

However, your opinion for why people are gay is quite flawed. Some lesbians are incredibly beautiful actually, and some gay guys are really handsome to the point that, me, as well as other women are thinking "dammit, why are the hot guys gay?!" So, it has nothing to do being unattractive and not getting the opposite sex.

Side: yes
HGrey87(750) Disputed
2 points

You have no idea what you're talking about. You've obviously read nothing about the science of the issue.

Do gay animals DECIDE to be gay? And yes, there are plenty.

Your bigotry and willful ignorance don't belong here.

Side: yes
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
2 points

You're straight. Good for you! But you don't understand homosexuality at all.

There is no map to discovering you are gay. Some people always know, some people might never admit it to themselves or others. Don't pretend to know about something that you don't even try to understand.

Gay couples don't want their children to be gay. They simply want their children to be themselves, and hopefully happy.

And there shouldn't be a pill to "cure" homosexuality in the womb. That's a disgusting thought.

Side: No
simoriah(201) Disputed
1 point

...are you in her head? then how do you know what she knows? are you the creator? than how can you know what they are born with?

and if the guy went out with a guy and had a bad break up and still says hes gay your theroy goes out the window, which it does, bc the gay guys i know, always have bad break ups, they stay gay bc they think boobs and vagbags are gross.

Side: No
1 point

As long as the parents are gay, why not the kids? Why not incest? God frowns upon that, but who cares what God wants, fags should have rights.

Side: yes

Absolutely not! The difference between gay and straight couples is they would never hinder what comes naturally. Most of the kids I know who come from gay families are straight unless they adopted late and asked specifically for a gay boy or girl, say in foster care or adoption.

If it ever gets to what you suggest insofar as aborting a fetus because it may be gay...I will shoot the first doctor who lays a hand on it and THAT I could do. Where do you come with these horrifying ideas Joe? Can you be that much of a bigot?

Why ask, yes you are!

Side: No
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
4 points

are you all of a sudden opposing a parent's personal choice to abort a child? i mean, women for so long have been fighting to have the right to kill their own fetus... why does the fetus being gay make a difference?

to me, i would not encourage an abortion if it turned out he could grow up to be gay. i really wouldn't mind it. although, if the mother wants to kill it FOR THAT REASON it's still her choice and i'll let her. after all, i would want the fetus to be terminated if it could become retarded or disabled in some way.

Side: No
joennie(63) Disputed
3 points

Joe did not say that "he" would abort a gay child. He said, "they may opt to abort the gay fetus." The operative words are "they" and "may." I think he's extrapolating what the future may hold. That doesn't make him a bigot.

Side: yes
2 points

You sound like you know Joe! Perhaps you do, but we've been debating almost a year and I've seen his debates and their hidden meanings...Have You?

I don't see an argument from you. Will you please give it so we may know what your "YES" means!

Side: No
3 points

gay couples are just like straight couples

generally straight couples don't mind if their children are gay hence y gay ppl stopped hiding

it's the same with gay couples. they wouldn't mind if their children r gay or straight. they love them the same anyway.

Side: No
Tugman(749) Disputed
2 points

"gay couples are just like straight couples"

Gay couple's cannot reproduce with each other unlike straight couples. I really think that straight couples would mind if their child was gay but they should not love them any less

Side: It depends
leblueboy(8) Disputed
3 points

To 'mind' your child's sexual orientation is something like 'minding' having a disabled child, a gifted child, or a female instead of male. Homosexuality is the unavoidable consequence of a complex set of biopsychosocial factors, to 'mind' it is somwhat bizzare.

Side: No
anotherguy34(5) Disputed
1 point

"gay couples are just like straight couples"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That was funny.

Two men-Same as below.

Two women- One takes the "dominant" role, The other takes the "submissive' role.

Heterosexual- The naturally dominant gender takes his place, while the naturall submissive gender (by no means inferior)takes her place.

Gay couples are trying to be like straight couples. Behold the correction. Last but not least Gays cant reproduce.

Seriously.... the very physical act is rather unhygienic..the bonding that is done can be found between two Heterosexuals-minus the Evolutionary mystery and Acchiles heel, and Biblical fact that is homosexual attraction. Ya the Bible is says its.......SIN.oops. Bad word.

Side: no
2 points

i really don't think it matters either way if a parent WANTS their kid to be gay.

from personal experience, though, i know gay couples with children who DO NOT want their children to grow up gay. Some because they want grand children or believe in the natural cycle, others because they don't want their kid to face the same shit that they had to grow through. you know, getting picked on in school.

Side: No

No. And vice versa with straight parents. I don't think they care.

Side: No
DaWolfman(3322) Disputed
3 points

Of course some parents care. There are plenty of people that are about as anti gay as black is black.

Some parents want more than anything for their child to turn out normal ( straight ) so people do want their children to be of some sort of sexual orientation sometimes.

Side: yes
2 points

I think it is possibly fair to say that no couple should 'want' their child to be any sexual orientation.

The vast majority of gay couples, thankfully, neither 'want' or 'expect' their children to be gay.

Side: No
Tugman(749) Disputed
1 point

How do you know that? Did you talk to a majority of gay couples? Or did you just make this up?

Side: yes
2 points

they should want their kids to just be what ever they are and love them for that, like they wanted their parents to except them no matter what.

Side: No
1 point

Well I'm not gay either, but I don't see why any parent would want his or her children to go through trouble in their lives. When I have kids, if I have kids, I will try my hardest to keep them out of harm's way. I'm not saying homosexuality is bad, but being gay in today's society is still difficult. Many people stray from the homosexual community because they believe it is unnatural. The only reason I wouldn't want to make my children gay is because I want them to be as trouble-free as I can make them.

Side: No
leblueboy(8) Disputed
1 point

Really I'd say it is possibly a better solution to want your society to change, than want your child to change. If we adapt to society it will never change. The great changes in our society have come from people forcing their social structure to adapt to them, rather than the other way around.

Side: No
1 point

What kind of "debate" question is this?

Just stop bothering with your kid, be natural, dont say awkward stuff like Should I let him play? Should he buy this?

Just let him buy! You have the logic of someone who has Swine Flu.

Side: No

Should a parent want their children to be anything but what their child is? No. Will a parent? Yes.

It's impossible to condemn a responsible, caring parent for hoping that their child exemplifies some of their qualities and traits, but when this wish interferes with a child's well-being, it becomes an issue.

Side: They should be what they are
simoriah(201) Disputed
2 points

are you saying that being gay "interferes with a child's well being"?

Side: No
1 point

i am a lesbian and if i was to have a child i wouldn't want my child to be gay/lesbian but i also wouldn't mind if they were just like nobody chose my orientation i wouldn't want to choose my childs orientation that wouldn't be my place, that is a decision that they would make on their own

Side: No
1 point

Let the child live a spontaneous life. We all know gay people are really looked down on no matter what status they live in.( no offense but it's the truth ).

Side: No

I don't look down on gays. They usually have really clean homes and dress really nice and cook great meals ;)

Side: No
1 point

http://www.cfsh.net/3.html Read that. Why would you want your children to suffer the things you are suffering, all because of deviant/corrupted behaviour? (same thing with promiscuous heterosexuals)If you're evolutionist Homosexuality does not fit in a Darwinian world. What sense dose it make for someone to be exclusively homosexual? Dosent profit natural selection in ANY way. And as you will read, Increase Anal Cancers, Prostate Cancer and Syphiliis (for guys) and Breast Cancer, Ovarian Cancer in women To name a few ailments that plague both genders.. Sorry to be so insenesitive, but its the truth. Homosexualilty is wrong, No evolutionary OR spiritual evidence shows You were born like it, but you can change. And beside gays are the ones talking about choice.. If your kids dont want to follow your disease ridden,out-cast like lifestyle, let him be. Gender, Race, Culture shows what a person is---but a blatant homosexual shows simply what a prson DOES.

Side: no
0 points

No, No, No, they should want them to be whatever they want/are destined to be!

Side: No