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Romantic love sucks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21410275

Our idealised notion of romantic love is actually the biggest enemy of long-lasting relationships, says Mark Vernon.

The myth is that there is someone out there with whom your life will be complete, and conversely, without whom your life would be a half-life. A major task of modern life is, therefore, to find this person and, falling in love, to cease to be two and become one.

Romantic love is socially corrosive because it idealises love, rather than understanding that love is made not found. Love is made in the gritty ups and downs of being with someone who is as flawed as you.

There are signs that individuals are rejecting the romantic myth. The number of people living on their own has risen by 50% since the mid-1990s. Many report that singleness means they enjoy more freedom and have time for other relationships, like friendship.

The true art of loving is to navigate the shift from falling in love to standing in love, to borrow the psychologist Erich Fromm's phrases.

Falling in love, the stuff of romance, is the intoxicating sense of possessing someone and/or being possessed. And it just can't last, because possessiveness crushes liveliness.

The risk is that you then feel that love has died because, following the romantic myth, you measure love by its felt intensity.

Standing in love, though, is the capacity to be with someone and be free with someone. It too feels good, though for different reasons. It can allow more subtle qualities to come to the fore, such as commitment and generosity, honesty and openness. It welcomes life.

Standing in love is, perhaps, a healing notion as we face the romantic onslaught of another Valentine's Day.

True.

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Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 12

The problem with Valentine's day is that if you are single you're likely to be like, WTF?!?! Honey Boo Boo's mom is in a relationship..., why not me? ;)

But then again, I guess most people would rather be single than be in that kind of a relationship ;)

Side: True.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

Aren't you married? o.O

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Yup ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Absolutely. Romance is highly contrived, artificial, and superficial and glosses over the actuality of a meaningful and enduring relationship.

Side: True.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

You have not fallen in love yet. It is great. ;)

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Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

I make a distinction between love and romance. Love for me is about the relationship on a deep level, and romance to me is gestures that I find unnecessary. I had an ex whom I would say I loved but who insisted on romantic displays that always seemed ridiculous to me (they folded a thousand paper cranes for valentines day). If my partner and I are in love then we should both know it and the romance seems pointless, and for me it would be contrived. I am not romantic; I do not celebrate valentines day, I do not remember my first kiss, I forget the anniversaries and celebrate today, etc.

Side: True.

Well if we look at what romance means freedictionary.com will say it is emotional attachment. The question for what we are talking about when we talk about romantic love, is how much emotional attachment is required before it is called "love". Obviously we aren't talking about love towards family, friends, objects, but towards girlfriends/boyfriends, but what is the difference between a "thing" and love? And wouldn't that differ for everybody? Well we can look at the brain activity that goes on during love, and determine on a less subjective grounds from there. What I have observed and experienced on what people call love, is, love is painful. Love puts out a lot of obstacles for people, think about it, every break up you have was an accumulation of pain brought onto yourself in vain. Did you get anything out of that relationship? Well wisdom and experience perhaps, but what doesn't give you that? The marriage statistics say now that 68% of our population gets married, and 38% end up divorced. Being Caucasian and male there is a 44% I will get married. How significant I find religion being the basis I have a 35.4% chance of marrying someone. The fact that I am not a father (thank goodness) significantly decreases the probability of marrying someone. Of course marriage and love aren't necessarily the same thing. All to often people go about love in an unhealthy manner. Love in the brain is seen as an addiction, breaking up causes "withdrawal symptoms" of being without that person, love is essentially a drug which is why I think going at it in a healthy way is important. People will stay in abusive relationships out of intoxication, and can't quite kick the habit, and that makes love something to be weary of. Now speaking purely from personal experience I've found it appropriate to deem the addiction of love with a "quicksand" effect. The addiction can be very slow or very fast relative to different relationships either way it is gradual to some extent, the long you stand in the quicksand the more you will sink in and the harder it is to get out. I like to say that one of the biggest mistakes one can make in life is falling in love with the wrong person. The idea that we are all destined to find our true love is not completely realistic, not everyone does, that is the reality. Of course there is the "7 billion people in the world" rational that I have been fond of, but it is flawwed as we aren't genuinely going to have the time, the circumstantial place, and compatibility to start with to date 7 billion people. I know I come off as cynical however I am not trying to say love is hopeless, but that we need to not need love. We need to be secure in ourselves to know that we can be perfectly happy without it, then will we be ready for love. I often find that people with this mentality are more successful with "genuine love", and it is my hypothesis that not seeing love as a mystical thing intertwined with the idea of fate, do we deal with our desire for affection and romance in a healthy manner. I don't humor the thought that there is someone destined for me somewhere on this earth by some mystical force. The fact that there is 7 billion people means that someone or quite a good number of people out there are inevitably to be compatible with me by chance, it is simply about finding any of these people and then other variables working out in my favor, relationships don't just happen no matter how compatible we are but also if us two can make it work as well, and etc. The probability of love for any one person is hard or too difficult to determine as so many variables have to be investigated as well as unknown variables. If our society invented an entire science to try and determine one person probability of finding genuine love it probably could give this person a somewhat good idea, but society wouldn't ever do that much for one person, and doing so for people in general won't be as efficient as everyone is different. All in all I have come to the conclusion that it is healthier to set a standard on a healthy fulfilling relationship and not settle for less. It is better to be alone than to be in love with the wrong person, love is a rare addiction that can be EXTREMELY healthy for you but only with the right person, otherwise it is no different than any other unhealthy drug.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=romance

http://www.positscience.com/brain-resources/brain-facts-myths/brain-in-love

http://www.statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics/

Side: True.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Man you are boring, I had to skip to the end. I am glad you came to the conclusion that it is better to be alone with your whole freedom to murder belief.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
zephyr20x6(2387) Disputed
1 point

Troll harder bro .

Side: True.

did Joe make a serious debate?

love can be many things, but a relationship takes more than emotion, passionate or other wise. communication, trust, etc are necessary for romantic love to be healthy and for a relationship to be worth while. The paradigm many are raised with is that love is enough, you find your other half, get passionate and crazy, and wala paradise. However, many find that the crazy drives the other away.

Side: True.

Problem? ;)

Side: True.
0 points

Well if we look at what romance means freedictionary.com will say it is love in terms of emotion over libido. The question for what we are talking about when we talk about romantic love, is how much emotional attachment is required before it is called "love". Obviously we aren't talking about love towards family, friends, objects, but towards girlfriends/boyfriends, but what is the difference between a "thing" and love? And wouldn't that differ for everybody? Well we can look at the brain activity that goes on during love, and determine on a less subjective grounds from there. What I have observed and experienced on what people call love, is, love is painful. Love puts out a lot of obstacles for people, think about it, every break up you have was an accumulation of pain brought onto yourself in vain. Did you get anything out of that relationship? Well wisdom and experience perhaps, but what doesn't give you that? The marriage statistics say now that 68% of our population gets married, and 38% end up divorced. Being Caucasian and male there is a 44% I will get married. How significant I find religion being the basis I have a 35.4% chance of marrying someone. The fact that I am not a father (thank goodness) significantly decreases the probability of marrying someone. Of course marriage and love aren't necessarily the same thing. All to often people go about love in an unhealthy manner. Love in the brain is seen as an addiction, breaking up causes "withdrawal symptoms" of being without that person, love is essentially a drug which is why I think going at it in a healthy way is important. People will stay in abusive relationships out of intoxication, and can't quite kick the habit, and that makes love something to be weary of. Now speaking purely from personal experience I've found it appropriate to deem the addiction of love with a "quicksand" effect. The addiction can be very slow or very fast relative to different relationships either way it is gradual to some extent, the long you stand in the quicksand the more you will sink in and the harder it is to get out. I like to say that one of the biggest mistakes one can make in life is falling in love with the wrong person. The idea that we are all destined to find our true love is not completely realistic, not everyone does, that is the reality. Of course there is the "7 billion people in the world" rational that I have been fond of, but it is flawwed as we aren't genuinely going to have the time, the circumstantial place, and compatibility to start with to date 7 billion people. I know I come off as cynical however I am not trying to say love is hopeless, but that we need to not need love. We need to be secure in ourselves to know that we can be perfectly happy without it, then will we be ready for love. I often find that people with this mentality are more successful with "genuine love", and it is my hypothesis that not seeing love as a mystical thing intertwined with the idea of fate, do we deal with our desire for affection and romance in a healthy manner. I don't humor the thought that there is someone destined for me somewhere on this earth by some mystical force. The fact that there is 7 billion people means that someone or quite a good number of people out there are inevitably to be compatible with me by chance, it is simply about finding any of these people and then other variables working out in my favor, relationships don't just happen no matter how compatible we are but also if us two can make it work as well, and etc. The probability of love for any one person is hard or too difficult to determine as so many variables have to be investigated as well as unknown variables. If our society invented an entire science to try and determine one person probability of finding genuine love it probably could give this person a somewhat good idea, but society wouldn't ever do that much for one person, and doing so for people in general won't be as efficient as everyone is different. All in all I have come to the conclusion that it is healthier to set a standard on a healthy fulfilling relationship and not settle for less. It is better to be alone

Side: True.
1 point

Nah. I disagree. It feels good to fall in love. ;) <3

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The great part about being bi-sexual is that you double your chances of hooking up ;)

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1 point

I know, right? ;)

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1 point

I am lonly and Ive never kissed anyone. But I would love to have Romantic love

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1 point

I love everyone. Love. Peace. history. The world needs love xD

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Love learn us how to live ,love is a spiritual quality .everybody loves in his life .love make us a real human .

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