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Debate Score:122
Arguments:77
Total Votes:162
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Should "In God We Trust" remain on American currency

Here's your chance to let the media know your stance on God, as a nation.

NBC is presently taking a poll on whether or not "In God We Trust" should remain on U.S. currency.

Click below and vote.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521

yes

Side Score: 59
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no

Side Score: 63
8 points

well we can't change it to "in gold we trust" now can we?

Side: yes
1 point

Well, it's not that it SHOULD remain on American currency... it's more like it doesn't matter whether it's still on there or not.

The only reason why I would prefer it to stay on is because it describes a major part of American History when we showed those Commie bastards that a Capitalist Democracy > Communist Dictatorship.

So I would prefer it to stay on there. Or else the Commies win.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
3 points

You got all that from "in god we trust"?

Actually it had nothing to do with communism... I mean, did you think that was some kind of religious war? God I hope not!

Here's what it's really all about link

As you can see what is really going on is divergence from our founding principle of religious freedom. "In god we trust" actually began becoming popular as a motto during the Civil War

It can be found on some state flags as well dating back to that period. However it was not until the 50's that the Christian cult began taking a strangle-hold and perverting the system of government.

In 1956 a bunch of congressman pointed out that there was no "official" State motto, and being the typical hypocritical kiss-asses they were, decided they could get a few extra votes by invoking the name of an invisible dude in the sky.

So in 1957 the hijacking of American money by the religious storm-troopers was complete,

"E Plurabis Unam" - the very American idea of from many one, was replaced by the very unamerican "in god we trust"

woohoo!

Those heathen naysayers took it all the way to the Supreme Court, but the Court decided that the term had been so over-used, that it in no way constituted the "creation of a state religion" and was just a generic phrase... like "holy cow!" (Who's every really seen a holy cow)

so no harm no foul basically.

I agree, it's been rendered meaningless at this point. I just get annoyed when it's used by the ignorant as some kind of proof that we are a religious nation, and so would love it removed.

Find the politician to open that floodgate though, good luck. We're stuck with it.

Side: No
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
3 points

Actually, the 50s was the time where everyone feared the bomb. That's when all of a sudden Americans feared the Soviet Union and Vice Versa.

The Commies were Godless. Anyone who was religious was either put into a camp or executed. The Americans in the 50s used their enemies as a time to be proud of their religion and country.

Eisenhower and Congress decided that it was time to show how much they differed from the Commies. While the Commies hated religion, America was mainly Religious and hated the Commies. So they put In God We Trust as the national motto and put God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

So yes, IGWT and God in the Pledge all represent how we kicked the Commie's asses.

Side: yes

I feel your pain. I'm stuck with a lot of crap that I disagree with too. And there's a hell of a lot more crap that I disagree with that is coming down the pike ;)

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
1 point

Simply because something is part of our past doesn't mean it should be commeroated on our currency. I also fail to see how belief in God helped us beat the Communists.

Oh, and what's the ETA on God helping us beat the Chinese, who are also still sorta communist?

Side: No

Yes, I don't want it removed. It would cost too much money. ;)

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
1 point

Yes, I don't want it removed. It would cost too much money. ;)

You'd be using less ink, so it would cost less money. Besides, the fed already redesigns bills every few years, just to stay ahead of counterfeiters.

Side: No

Oh well..., since you put it that way..., I chose to keep it on there ;)

Side: yes

who bothers to read their money?

who think hey im going to buy some bread and milk, but hang on before i pay, i will read the money!

Side: yes

There's nothing wrong with keeping it there. I know our forefathers meant the conventional Christian God but it's not written that way on the currency. In God we trust...any God is implied!

Side: yes
1 point

Hey this is a good topic to come up with.

As i can see, there is a bee hive out there to argue "BUZZ_BUZZ_BUZZ" in this one.

first my hearty thanks and congrats to you JC

coming to the point, this is true that we trust in god, atleast in some or the other form.

then, why to hold back the truth?

be daring enough to be grateful to the one who gave you the money to you.

writing te saying above is not completely enough, you must have the inner thanks to the one who gave the money to you in time( after all it is none other than god, who is our father! then what is wrong to hide your feelings?)

Side: yes

Most of the citizens ARE Christian! Duh! And it is tradition way older than any of you so yea keep it.

Side: yes
1 point

Although it does say church and state are separate in the constitution, I believe we should keep it on our money even though not everyone is a church goer. It should stay on because it is a big part of our history.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes it should, cause of the simple fact that the United States was founded by Christians and denying their religion would be like denying there beliefs.

Side: yes
1 point

What is wrong with tradition? I mean this whole nation was literally built by Christian believers, its ridiculous to the fact that we have athiest and different religious individuals whinning about how America was built on and that it is not right to represent a religion in our currency, I believe that sticking to our Christian nations is the right thing to do, and yes this country is made for freedom of religion but don't expect us to change what we believe in because of your own beliefs.

Side: yes

In God We Trust is a clear violation of the separation of church and state. It is unequivocally an establishment of religion.

However, A federal appeals court upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency. [1]

Supporting Evidence: Currency [1] (www.cbsnews.com)
Side: yes

I always took separation between church and state to be between a specific religion and the state. The word God is not specific to one religion.

Side: yes
1 point

I think it should be kept becouse of many reasions. One we founded are nation under a beleave in God two Christianty Is the top Religion in the u.s.

And for all those who say beleiving in God can't do goodthings for this country read in the bible about what God did for isreal.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes we should stilll have it because that was from the Founding Fathers days someone put that in our dollor bill and also our coins because most of our Founding Fathers were Christian.

Side: yes
0 points

you know what, ..... A lot of the people that don't like the "In God We Trust" thing, sure don't mind printing it over and over and over again. (;

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
1 point

sure don't mind printing it over and over and over again.

The same can be said of church coffers.

Side: No
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
0 points

Church coffers? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Side: yes
0 points

Yes; It's proper grammer; the spelling is all correct. What's the issue here?

X)

Side: yes
orlando(23) Disputed
2 points

The question should be: does God or the Supreme Being(s) have anything to do with how we conduct our economies when in reality no one really knows who he or she is?

Perhaps if we took ownership of our own affairs, a more courageous motto would be "In US we Trust!"

Side: No

Although what you're saying makes absolute sense, the motto you are proposing sounds too much like ebonics ;)

Side: yes
-2 points

I don't think so. Not everybody in America is so faithful to God anymore, it's as simple as that.

Side: No
2 points

The first ammendment to the constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

"Trusting in God" is by definition respecting the establishment of religion. It is therefore unconstitutional and should be removed.

And to anyone claiming the founders added it, please read a history book. It was added by Congress in 1955, when racial and political fear mongering was at a peak. They had to rally everyone against the evil baby-eating communists, and stamping God on everything didn't seem to hurt.

Of course, since 70% of the population is Christian, adherence to the law will be fudged to suite their preference.

Side: No
kamranw(232) Disputed
2 points

Actually, what they meant was, the churches will not dictate law. For example, if the church was to declare war on someone, would not mean the government will.

Side: yes
theman121(12) Disputed
1 point

never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers...... why is something viewed as good or bad, probably because of majority opinion. The government wouldnt follow crazy religious people

Side: No

I think they meant respecting any one specific religion. Besides, it was just an amendment so we can just amend it back :)

Side: yes
2 points

The previous motto was "E pluribus unum", or "Out of many one".

It has a much more inclusive feel to it.

Side: No
2 points

What image/s is found on the currency of the US?

The image of a man!

And so it would seem that the words: "In God We Trust" must be replaced by "In Man We Trust"

Side: No
2 points

No,why should it? The constitution says this is a Religous-Free

country. So why put "In God we trust"???

Not everyone beleives in god so why should we have to

recite it as a pledge and pay our bills with a peice of paper

that too me speaks crap!

Side: No
2 points

NO! This is a free religion country. FREE !

to put IN GOD WE TRUST on the money that I make, would be just as offensive to religious people if we put IN GOD WE DONT TRUST

Separation of church and state should have a major role into this subject

Side: No
1 point

Technically no,

1. It wasn't put on there until the 50's

2. The Constitution is pretty clear about where this country is supposed to stand as far as religions go link and since it doesn't say "in god/allah/buddah/krsna/zeus/no one/etc we trust" it would seem to be taking a pretty firm stand on the Judea/Christian side of religion.

3. I don't remember anything in any religious text that would suggest god is a huge fan of money anyway... I mean all the religious people tended to just give it away in those things. So not sure what the point even is.

4. It's just another blatant example of how the religious try to shove their beliefs down everyones' throat, and it's annoying. Doesn't work, buy annoying none the less.

All that said though, I use debit, ironically unless I'm in a strip club, I'm sure that's what god meant for his money to be used for after all ._.

Side: No
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

Allah is the Islamic God.

Buddha was not worshiped. He was looked up to for his philosophical wisdom.

Krsna is a Hindu God.

Zeus is a Greek God.

So... saying God covers all worship (unless you worship Satan or someone not considered God... which is hardly the case).

And if you worship no one... it doesn't matter.

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
1 point

"And if you worship no one... it doesn't matter."

What?!?!

If you worship no one, it definitely matters! If you didn't believe in God, why would you want your money to state otherwise?

Based on your past arguments, and your position in this debate, I'm going to assume you're a Christian. From that, is it fair to imply that you wouldn't want the currency changed to say "In Allah We Trust"?

Of course it wouldn't be ok, since that wouldn't be inclusive to your religion. So please don't try and justify shoving your religion down my throat because you think I don't care.

Side: No
xaeon(1093) Disputed
1 point

Saying God clearly indicates a monotheistic religion, and there's no way you can worm around that fact. Regardless of any of the arguments used to back it up, such as it being used to differentiate from Communists (which is a poor excuse to pass unconstitutional law) or that it actually encompasses all beliefs (which it doesn't), it is clearly the acceptance of a monotheistic God (namely, the Christian god) in complete and utter contempt for the first amendment.

"And if you worship no one... it doesn't matter."

Well, people disagree with you, so it clearly does matter. It matters that the constitution can be so clearly contravened with such little opposition, and that the tyranny of the majority is so prevalent and has such sway.

But God forbid if anyone has the balls to try and curtail the ability to freely buy weapons on the naive thought that civilians could rise up against a highly trained and well funded military, but actually use on each other leading to one of the world's highest firearms death rates. Now THAT'S clearly unconstitutional.

Side: No

It's just another blatant example of how (enter annoying group here) try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throat, and it's annoying.

All I can say is, Welcome to the club.

There are a lot of people out there that are fed up with those groups on both ends of the bell curve who are trying to shove their beliefs, ideals, whatever, down the throats of those in the middle of the bell curve ;)

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
1 point

So you disputed his argument because you're apparently in favor of shoving unconstitutional beliefs down throats?

Side: yes
1 point

there are 3 reasons why: It would make it harder for new forgers to copy the design. It would save just a bit more on printing the dollar, however if it saved just .0005 of a cent on printing, That would average out to be a lot of money over just 5 years. It would make it look bigger.

Side: No
1 point

Is the phrases, 'In God we trust', really put there with sincerity? I don't think so, or else there wouldn't be homeless people. Because they would believe in the Word of God which says, ( ST. Luke 6:30) "Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again." Or how about this verse, (ST. Luke 6:38) "Give and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." If you look at that verse it says, "Shall men give into your bosom?" You must give and not horde it to a class or group of people. Then maybe everyone would be happy. Most of all God.

Side: No

Hmmm...., Then maybe we should just let the churches handle charity (not the government).

Side: yes
1 point

I think the statement "In God We Trust" is out of date and needs to be updated ASAP. It's just so black and white and old fashioned. Believe it or not, not all Americans are Christians. Yes, it's shocking I know. I think that our currency needs to eliminate that quote. It's not like us non religious people are out to get you Christians, the concept is just getting a little old. More and more people are questioning their religion. Why should something they don't even have faith in be on the money they spend and earn. I say it needs to be taken care of.

Side: No
1 point

It is a violation of the Separation of Church and State Constitutional principle.

Side: No

No, not really. The term in "In God We Trust" does not advocate any one religion. It only advocates the concept of God which, by itself, is not a religion. ;)

Side: No
3 points

It may not be a religion, but it's religious. And favors specific religions that are monotheistic and call their deity God. ;)

It also presupposes everyone past, present and future have and will believe in a specific deity called God. Something like a national motto must encompass all of it's citizens, not a majority. :)

Side: No
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

It advocates/promotes a class of religions. Some have Gods, others no Gods, to only have "In god we trust" is an explicit statement of endorsement of the ones that only have one god.

Side: yes
1 point

First of all, this was added onto American currency replacing E Pluribus Unum meaning Out of many, one. America was not built on religion bu rather dismissed religion from the start. However we shall never underestimate the power of stupidity in large numbers. Ofcourse it should be removed, the USA is the world's leading economy with leading scientific discoveries and technology. For our money to state that all of us trust in a fictional character, who's only fundamentals lie in the fact that people need to believe in a higher power and think that they are so great that someone must have created them. Observational facts are more reliable. A wise man once said “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” or you can just say "in god we trust" and pray for a better tomorrow

Side: No

America ... dismissed religion from the start.

That is not..., accurate. America was built on religious freedom not atheism. To give power to the atheists is to take away religious freedom. I don't see that happening any time soon ;)

The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

Side: No
0 points

It's not really even true for most Americans any more. From what I can see, anyway.

Side: No