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Debate Score:63
Arguments:43
Total Votes:65
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Trump's reversal on transgender bathroom directive.


What did they do before 2016?
Did they hold it in till they got home?
Did they sneak into the bathroom of their choice?

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4 points

The schools should just take control over this. They can build a single occupancy bathroom that anyone can use. In other words, I do not understand why the only solution is to force someone's views onto other people. But that's just me ;)

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2 points

Liberals are always forcing their views down the throats of the American people no matter what the consensus is. Their elitist attitude is disgusting.

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2 points

It has got to change ;)

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brittsimp(4) Disputed
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Quoting Identities.Mic.com, "According to the most recent National Transgender Discrimination Survey report, a whopping 63% of respondents 'had experienced a serious act of discrimination' in their lifetime. Mic's Derrick Clifton wrote that 'roughly 70% of trans people have reported being denied entrance, assaulted or harassed while trying to use a restroom,' according to a 2013 Williams Institute report." Further more, the issue of transgender bathrooms is completely different from anything our government and people have ever dealt with before. It is controversial, unique, and extremely problematic from all aspects because of the various differentiating views on the matter. While it is a shame that this issue has not been solved nor even appeared to be mended, it isn't exactly an easy process nor is it a clear-cut situation. It is a problem that effects transgender people as well as basically anyone else who enters a public bathroom in their lifetime. Everyone has an opinion on the subject and most of those people want it to be heard.

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I agree. That will be a win-win solution. Maybe a bit expensive, but certainly avoids the controversy.

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2 points

It should be left up to the schools how to deal with it ;)

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At least such a ruling removes the dilemma some people must experience when they're trying to decide whether to sit down or stand up to have a pee.

It also removes the danger of them wetting their pants/knickers while they try to make up their minds.

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2 points

The chiken wil be a vry goode basktbakl hap fo me shans kie

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2 points

Obama's idiotic ruling allowed for men to say they identify as a woman and march right into a woman's locker room and strip naked in front of little girls. Yes, Obama actually said all you have to do is identify as a woman and you are free to enter a woman's locker room. What a pervert.

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Why rush into this sort of issue? Two rights are being infringed upon in this sort of issue. One, the privacy rights of non-transgenders. Two, the equal protection of the transgenders. Clearly, not all people are ready to accept transgenders into their respective restrooms. In a world where the states are divided on this issue, the logical conclusion is to allow the states to decide for themselves. By throwing down an executive order that gives trans people the power to enter the bathroom corresponding to their identity, Obama directly infringed upon the privacy rights of non-trans citizens. What Trump is doing is in fact correct. Instead of tipping into an extreme, he is allowing states to decide for themselves. Instead of rushing into a conclusion, Trump is allowing the United States to sort of "test the waters."

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I'll be damned if a man goes into the women's bathroom with another man's daughter. I always supported gay marriage, but I will never support transgender.

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Trumps reversal on transgender bathrooms is a great thing. I would like to explain why, but I would rather leave it up to the greatest biologist to ever walk the earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvWCdnkPkPE

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According to the 10th Amendment of the Constitution, all powers not delegated to the Federal Government of the USA, are reserved to the states or to the people. According to our supreme law of the people of the United States (the Constitution), this should be left to the local and state governments. NOT the Federal Government.

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sfpierotich0(3) Disputed
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I completely understand your view that it should be left to the local & state governments whether or not transgender people use the bathroom. But you also have to understand that it is the job of the Federal Government (specifically Congress) to have equal protection for ALL Americans, including the transgender group. This is goes back to the 14 Amendment

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2 points

Some say this should be handled on a state by state basis. MOST civil rights are handled on a national basis. Why is this one different? I've never heard of an abuse problem coming FROM a Transgender person in a bathroom. Those usually come the other way around. It seems all tolerance of "different" Americans is leaving U.S. since .... about January of this year, it seems. Wonder why?? It seems like someone is trying to "bring U.S. together"....apart. Not the America I've known, a shame!

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It seems all tolerance of "different" Americans is leaving U.S.

Yes, but I blame the liberals. They have created the problem by ignoring any solution that takes into consideration the other side. The solutions they offer are the ones where the tail wags the dog ;)

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NicolasCage(505) Disputed
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"The other side"? There is no other side to this. No one's being oppressed by letting transgender people use whatever bathroom they want, but the same ain't be said for the other way around.

Conservatives love to cry that they're being oppressed by gays and transgenders by letting them get married and use bathrooms. But that's not how oppression works. You can't claim oppression when people are calling you out on the fact that you're oppressing people.

Imagine if we had Internet forums back when black rights were practically non existent. I'd wager my life that people would be saying the exact same thing as they are now: "why can't you just respect our views? It's just our belief that blacks shouldn't get the vote! Take into consideration the other side. Don't be so intolerant."

You cannot be intolerant of intolerance. Things don't work like that.

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outlaw60(15367) Disputed
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Obama had instructed public schools last May to let transgender students use the bathrooms matching their chosen gender identity, threatening to withhold funding for schools that did not comply.

When in the History of Presidents has a President threaten schools over bathrooms !

What shame is to be seen that Progressives want to force their views on the American People and you fail to understand why Hillary was beaten !

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t-roy(362) Disputed
1 point

If only you weren't so blind to Obama's supreme dream of bridging the divide?

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On the one hand he legally has as much basis to reverse through executive order as his predecessor had for imposing through executive order. So I'm not going to say Trump did anything wrong in this example.

However, these people didn't just come into existence now, they've been using bathrooms forever. This was pretty much a nonissue before conservatives got super upset about Obama's executive order. And if it's a nonissue anyway then I think banning it is more bad than good. Like Jolie said in the other column, leave this to schools and their communities to decide.

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outlaw60(15367) Disputed
2 points

The Progressive speaks out and you show what little you know on the issue. There wasn't an executive order over the bathroom issue. Obama tried to force his will about bathrooms using the Federal Law called Title 9 !

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OK, thank you for clarifying. The crux of what I said is still solid though, because either way we're talking about a reversal of one President by the next President.

And it shows what you know when you call everyone who isn't your brand of conservative a Progressive.

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outlaw60(15367) Disputed
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Obama had instructed public schools last May to let transgender students use the bathrooms matching their chosen gender identity, threatening to withhold funding for schools that did not comply.

It was pretty much a nonissue ?

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1 point

Yes, equallity for all. But i belive it is really bad for instance, Your child goes into a bathroom by them selves a guy dresses up as a woman, goes into the bathroom, abducts,rape,kidnaps your child. What they are saying is not to ban transgeender people it is to take away the bad people from haveing a chance same for little boys. The same thing can happen to them too, like a crazy woman dress ups as a guy and does bad things to your little boy. If you are a trans person go befor you go out and if you have to go out again and pee/poop go to the single used bathrooms. Just know your un-band thing is just another way for predators to kill/kidnap/rape other people! Bad things haooen all the time.

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DevinSeay(1120) Clarified
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Your child goes into a bathroom by them selves a guy dresses up as a woman, goes into the bathroom, abducts,rape,kidnaps your child.

This is what I've been bringing up on this topic. If I'm in a city/state that allows trans to go to the opposite sex bathroom, I will go in with my child and wife to make sure no perverted creep tries anything stupid.

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AlofRI(3285) Clarified
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"yOUR CHILD GOES INTO A BATHROOM......ETC. nICE PLOT, YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK (OOPS, DAMNED CAPS LOCK!) Mark Twain said: "I have spent most of my life worrying about things that never happened."

I don't remember having heard of a transgender child molester. Can't say it wont happen, but, I'm sure there have been FAR more "non-tranny" child molesters, (even as a percentage), than those you are condemning. Would you consider keeping the many religious leaders to their own bathrooms? There have been MANY of THEM convicted, or at least accused and removed from their localities. Will you go into the bathroom with your child if you see a "man of the cloth" enter?? He very well "MAY BE" a "perverted creep", as shown many times in the past!

I would certainly bet that, if a transgender is found to be in the bathroom S/HE would RATHER NOT be in, S/HE is in FAR more danger of being "mistreated" by the ... er...non-perverts, than your child is by THEM!

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1 point

I'm honestly in between Donald and Barack. BO says that everyone should simply be able to go into whatever bathroom they please. DT attempts to provide a, somewhat, unbiased option by saying that the states should just decide. I don't specifically agree that the states should just decide because it's obviously a touchy subject that progressively seems to be expanding across the US of A. But, at the same time I don't think that the problem should be dealt with so loosely as to almost infer that everyone should literally go to whatever bathroom they please. I'm with both when I say that there should be a strict line that illustrates the fact that transgenders made the decision to identify as the gender that they choose and that they should stay true to that thought and that the law should state that one is limited to the gender that they identify as.

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1 point

I believe that Trump reversing Obama's executive order was a very bad move. The effect that it is going to have on transgenders across America is huge. Transgenders will now be forced to be in the same space as someone who could potentially harm them verbally and physically. Not only that states not allowing transgender to relieve them self in their self-identified restroom is a clear violation of the 14th Amendment Sectoon I. States are not allowed to make or enforce laws that take away citizen's rights. These laws will take away the transgender's freedom to be who they want to be and use the restroom where the choose. Parents that find a problem with transgender women and transgender men using the restroom with their little boys or girls do not fully understand the alternate option. It is more likely for non-transgender male to look at a little boy than a transgender female. It is a large number of transgender that do not use public restrooms out of the fear of being harassed. No one should have to go through that kind of issue.

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states not allowing transgender to relieve them self in their self-identified restroom is a clear violation of the 14th Amendment Sectoon I. States are not allowed to make or enforce laws that take away citizen's rights.

What about the rights of people who are not transgender?

What if I identify as rich. Is it a violation of the 14th amendment if the state doesn't provide me with the life style I am accustomed to? ;)

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