Such irrational zealots have been brainwashed many years ago and regardless of what reasoned counter argument you present they will simply quote the fanciful notions of the well meaning academics of their day who tried in their state of ignorance to explain the mysteries of the universe in a 2000 year old book called the Bible, or the Koran, or whatever.
Let's take a close look at the Biblical account of the beginning of earth and mankind.
One day when God was zooming around the Cosmos he thought, I must build another world. I mean I only have a trillion zillion at the moment.
So wallop, bang, zap and behold the world exists.
Then he decides he would like a nice garden with pretty flowers and fragrant foliage. Kapow, the garden is there.
While twiddling his thumbs one wet afternoon he come up with the idea of making a man, maybe just out of boredom.
Yes, you're correct, along came Adam.
Adam appeared in the garden around 40 years of age.
He didn't wonder, what the hell am I doing here?
From where did I come?
No he just wandered happily and contentedly eating the lush fruit and enjoying the sunshine.
God noticed Adam's state of contentment and thought, emm, I'll soon put an end to this.
Yep, you got it again, he sneaked down one night under cover of darkness and stole one of Adam's ribs from which he made Eve, the first woman.
Like Adam, Eve didn't ask where she came from, nor did Adam seem slightly curious who the hell this strange person with two pointy things on their chest and no penis or testicles was.
God then visited Eve and told her she could eat from the fruit of any tree she wanted except for one, the apple tree which he, very foolishly pointed out to her.
When God sped off for a quick burn up around the universe a snake appeared and told Eve it was okay to eat the fruit from the apple tree.
As soon as she did she became ashamed of certain parts of her anatomy, very peculiar.
Now, I don't know about you but when I see a snake I back off, if it starts talking to me I crap myself whilst running a 100 M.P.H.
This is the book upon which people swear in a court of law to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.
Do you ever wonder how many times the bible makes a reference to Hell? Or.... what is the context whenever the reference is made? I'll give you a clue... Google it. ;)
You like rewards so you did not complain about heaven. you are afraid of punishment so are tryna make yourself believe hell does not exist. You said CHOICE. There are only two to choose from doesn't make it less a Choice. Just choose Jolie. But i can see you are scared in your head about this whole hell concept thats why you are afraid to do what you really wanna do. The choice is with you. Respond to flesh and you are rewarded with hell. Respond to the spirit and reward is heaven. So you can see your being itself is the choice(you are the choice) . Just act.
lol...i can make a profile saying good things about myself but doesn't actually mean i am. i mean what is Good?i dont even know. In this our generation everyone is good yet people getting arrested everyday....police killing people and justify, it was for the greater good. duh! "Thou shall not kill" and they cover up with laws of man but breaking the laws of God. Before the state you are a hero but before God you are just like cain(a muderer) you killed your brother. So me i try ma best to do what is right doesnt mean am good cos God says our best of righteousness is like a filthy rag before Him so then its just grace and favour outta the love of a father. So imma die tryn.lol This is no more the time where you have to be adolf hiltler to be called wicked(for your info adolf hitler almost became a catholic priest when he was young lol but see how we remember him now). This is a world where people wake up in the morning leave their homes with a gun with no one in mind to kill though but will kill anyone without hesitating in the name of self defence(since the law says its self defence). So you see this murderer calling himself good cos of the law of man. Do not be decieved , God is not mocked, whatever a sows that is what he reaps. You escaped by physical laws of man, but you will not escape spiritual laws of God cos you are not made of only flesh and so the spiritual law will apply as well
Animals dont have soul. They only have spirits. But man has 'soul'(God judges the soul) and spirit. Man is just unique. You don'T expect royalty to behave like a commoner. At a dinning table you can tell difference between prince charles and a hungry well dressed up man just released from prison(of no royalty). The bible says men will actually sit with God to judge Angels. So Imagine that.You are not just any creation. Thats why you hear people say things like people sell their 'souls' to the devil. The soul is the royalty certificate and when you loose it the devil can use you for anything cos you become ordinary like animals. So you cannot just misbehave as a child of God( child of a king). This whole thing is about royalty, Children of a king God. And jesus our elder brother
Your understanding is too far cos you dont find out for yourself , you wait for someone to find out and put it book form then you feed on.(you like already made food)How do you determine poisonous ingredients(you just feed blindly).
Those books or whatever source were generated by mere men like me and endorsed by another mortal man.
I will not stress my thinking any furher when my english is arabic to you. Its called energy and time wasting.Outcome Zero
Find out what? How? Google it? You want me to belief some ancient text that has never been proven to be the work of God?
If God truly wanted to give humans a bible, His word, don't you think He would make sure that it is written in some indestructible book so that we will never lose it AND we would have evidence that it was from Him and not from some dude with an agenda?
Think about it for a minute. Some scientist guy would be all like, "There's no God!" and you would be like, "Yes, there is. He gave us His bible." And the scientist would look skeptical. And you would be like, "If you don't believe me, destroy His work." And then he couldn't destroy it. And you would be like, "Well, Mr. scientist, if you're so smart, why can't you figure out how to make something that is indestructible like this bible? Why can't you figure out how to destroy it? Could it be because it is from God?" And then you would smile at him and wink ;)
"If God truly wanted to give humans a bible, His word, don't you think He would make sure that it is written in some indestructible book so that we will never lose it"
WHY SHOULD YOU OR I THINK FOR GOD?
by the way in the past many attempts have been made to destroy the bible by people with power in those times but the bible survives till today cos he says all these shall pass away but His word will never pass away. (indestructible) Even those who tried destroying it are dead and gone.
That is how God's logic works. If God says indestructible it doesnt mean bomb proof. He is the God of all Hosts. So he can manipulate the hosts and systems indirectly even while we are conscious to make His word come true. We think we are going about our own works but it all leads to God's prophecies.
eg. The end time prophecies are evident now though they were written long ago.(one evidence of God's existence, His word always comes true)
Well..., wouldn't He make it so that we know which version is the correct one? We have the Jewish bible, we have the Quran and multiple versions of the Christian bible.
Jews are waiting for moses's second coming though they know the prophecies of the coming of the son of God they dont wanna believe its Jesus christ. Thats the only problem. So they just disagree with the new testament of the bible. Same God.
But islam is the false religion of God. Established by satan to mock God.
Allah they refer to is the God of darkness Satan not light.
Satan uses one demon called Baal and other demoness call Vatican(she has so many names, we have a diff. name for her here in our language)
Baal is the god of the moon.
Vatican is the godess of the sun and stars.
Mosques have a moon and a star symbol.
You can trace these spirits in the bible.
They caused a mother and son incest and the son ended up killing his father and he was cursed(old testament)
Vatican also known astharoth has always been mocking God. in the catholic churches and many other religion with certain rituals and also claims to be the wife of God.
Quran takes word from the bible and twist it like the story of ishmael and isaac saying ishmael was the chosen one who was about to be sacrificed to be God when God himself intervened .
And also that jesus promised a comforter after he was gone and that is Mohammed not the Holy spirit just to favour islam.
But the same islam says jesus is not the son of God but just a prophet.
So you see , they take the words of jesus in the bible and twist it to favour islam but doubt the same jesus as the son of God.
Islam is just a mockery religion. Influenced by two demonic spirits to compete as against God as a fake photocopy.
Muslims claim to go on Holy war(jihad) for God by killing people.(these islamic terrorists believing they will go to heaven when they die in the course)
But since ishmael was not the promised son but isaac. When then ishmaelites
and israelites war agaisnt each other the israelites totally defeated them.
The fake religion started from ishmael(though he never planned it) but islam is trying to take the grace right of isaac(whose descendant is jesus(christianity))
What do you expect them to do . Religion is pushed into a man's mind from childhood. They take everthing in they are thought about their religious heros without sensible analysis of the truth(unlike me) and have their minds unchangable . But then the Holy Spirit has intervened for a few. Like one ps.Mcdonald in the U.S but born in Ghana africa(my country) a repented muslim to christian and through the power of God this guy is able to heal people and so many other miracles without touching people with his hands, he just remains on the pulpit and command healing and people start falling.(GRACE HAS FOUND HIM). And i wonder how many muslim imams or teachers who are able to Manifest the power of God in such manner apart from feeding followers minds with lies from hell.(not their fault though, they too were deceived from childhood)
Go read the book of daniel and read about the dream of king Nebuchadnezzar and The prophet daniel's interpretation.
There are even prophecies about cars and aeroplanes in the bible
Isaiah 60Verses 4 “Lift up your eyes round about and see;They all gather together, they come to you.Your sons will come from afar,
Verse 9 And the ships of Tarshishwill comefirst,To bring your sons from afar,
Verse 8 “Who are these who fly like a cloud And like the doves to their lattices?In this section of Isaiah, the Prophet sees the future return of the Jews to Israel. He sees them returning by land, sea, and air. Isaiah is shocked by the latter. He understood the return by sea and land but he did not understand how they could return by air.Here is what he said:Isaiah 60:8 NIV“Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests?”
Ezekiel chapter 1, the prophet Ezekiel wrote of a "living creature" with wings and whirling wheels (NIV). When the"creature" was not in motion, the wings would rest downward, but when the wings "moved with a mighty sound" the creature would rise from the ground.
Nahum 2:4“The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.”King James Version (KJV)
The link has no relation with the bible. Its telling me about india and some also wrestling...
Prophets are usually commanded by the spirit of God to write.
I don't even think most of them were skilled in drawing.
Plus they were not expecting to be doubted since they were writing to their own people of israel.
And anyways the prophecy has come to pass that the jews fled and also came back to israel . He said it before it happened .
And by describing aeroplanes is like describing the age in which it was going to happen cos they did not have planes those times.
And also read the book of daniel...
you will see another prophecy you have seen has come to pass.
The Book ofDanielChapter 2Nebuchadnezzar’s dream is revealed to Daniel—The king saw a great image, a stone cut from the mountain without hands destroyedthe image, and the stone grew and filled the whole earth—The stone isthe latter-day kingdom of God.1 And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreameddreams, wherewith his spirit wastroubled, and his sleep brake from him.2 Then the king commanded to call themagicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, andthe Chaldeans, for to shew the kinghis dreams. So they came and stood before the king.
You see he said he called his scorceres, magicians, astrololgers and chaldeans but they could not explain the dream even though it is they had been giving explainations to his dreams which always came to pass.
So he heard of Daniel and called unto him to explain the dream. When daniel was able to explain he became his friend since then. Daniel was the prophet of God.God owns all dream cos it is revealed to man's spirit(he gave to us as life)
If he had just drawn a picture, most the confusion would be gone. I have seen a 5 year old draw a plane and I know what it is. He didn't have to be an artist. I think that God wanted the confusion, otherwise He would have found ways to minimize it ;)
yes the prophets description is that it was a bird. Cos he had never seen a plane before. So He described it as a bird flying people......planes did not exist in those times how could he know its name.
And, comparing a bird that carries people to any bird such bird of this modern day is a plane.
Who are these who fly like a cloud And like the doves to their lattices?
HE USES THE SIMILY WORD 'LIKE'.
He couldnt tell what it is . It wasnt making sense to him.
The future he didnt meet didnt make sense to him like the past you didnt meet doesnt make sense to you.
But he only believed it cos it was God's revelation.(Believe the word of God)
Am just saying what you saw in that video. Its in the bible too......There are descriptiops about angels...their speed....strength....how they work....bodily features etc.
I did not read in Ezekiel where he said that what he saw where angels. People say that what he saw were angels. Maybe what he saw was just a bad acid trip ;)
The Holy Scriptures—Indestructibleby Wayne JacksonThe Word of God “lives and abides.” Thus wrote Peter, the inspired apostle of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:23). To buttress this claim regarding the enduring nature of the sacred Word, the divine spokesman quoted from the Old Testament prophet, Isaiah (40:6ff), declaring:All flesh is as grass, andall the glory thereof as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and theflower falleth: But the word of the Lord abidethfor ever (1 Peter 1:24-25).Men come and go; generations vanish. But the Holy Scriptures march on triumphantly.There is a saying: “Homer must be handled with care.” The allusion, of course, is to the compositions of the blind poet of ancient Greece. The implication in the proverb is this: Homer’s works have beentreasured and preserved cautiously for centuries. And yet, in spite of this meticulous care, only scant copies of Homer’s writings survive. There is no complete copy of the poet’s works prior to the thirteenth century A.D.—more than two thousand years after the Greek writer lived (Schrivener 1883, 4). By way ofvivid contrast, the Bible, though viciously opposed and oppressed across several millennia, is reflected in thousands of Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, and even today continues to be the best-selling publication in the world.Violent OppositionBiblical antagonists have a long and violent history as they have sought, frequently by force, to eliminate the sacred Scriptures from public access. Reflect upon the following examples of malevolence toward the Creator and his Word.When the noble Hebrew king, Josiah, was killed in battle, his son Jehoahaz came to the throne. He reigned but three months before Pharaoh-Necoh of Egypt put him in chains and transported him to the land of the Pyramids. A brother, Eliakim, was placed upon the throne; his name was changed to Jehoiakim. Jehoiakim began to reign when he was twenty-five yearsof age. He taxed the Jews heavily on behalf of Pharaoh. He strayed from the Lord and immersed the nation in idolatry (2 Kings 23:28-37). The prophet Jeremiah was commissioned by Jehovah to write a sacred scroll, which threatened divine destruction unless the king and his peoplerepented of their wickedness. Jehoiakim treated the matter with absolute contempt. After briefly listening to the message being read, he confiscated the scroll, cut up the leaves with a knife, and cast them into a fire (Jeremiah36). But the Holy Word was not to be dismissed so easily.After the death of Alexander the Great, the Greek empire was divided into four segments (cf. Daniel 8:8), and the Jewish people fell under the control of a remarkably evilruler whose name was Antiochus Epiphanes. Antiochus, known popularly as“the madman,” launched a bloody persecution against the Hebrew people. One aspect of his vendetta was an attempt to destroy copies of the Jewish Scriptures. An ancient document records thisepisode:And [the officials of Antiochus] rent in pieces the books of the law which they found, and set them on fire. And wheresoever was found with any a book ofthe covenant, and if any consented to the law, the king’s sentence delivered him to death (The Apocrypha, 1 Maccabees 1:56-57).The historian Josephus comments upon this event:And if there were any sacred book of the law found, it was destroyed, and those [Jews] with whom they were found miserably perished also (Antiquities of the Jews12.5.4).The heathen plan backfired, however, for it was this very persecution that generated more intense examination of the divine writings. Out of this circumstance the genuine books of the Old Testament canon were formally separatedfrom contemporary spurious documents that feigned inspiration (McClintock and Strong 1968, 76).Following the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth from the dead, Christianity was introduced into the Roman world. It spread like wildfire in the stifling environment of ancient paganism. Not many decades passed before Rome came to view the Christian system, with its New Testament Scriptures, as a threat to the security of the empire. And so history repeated itself. A determined effort to eradicate the Bible from antique society was initiated by the Roman ruler, Valerius Diocletian.Diocletian occupied the imperial throne from A.D. 284-305. In A.D. 303, he inaugurated a series of merciless persecutions upon those who professed the religion of Christ. Hurst notes:[A]ll assemblies of Christians were forbidden and churches were ordered to be torn down. Four different edicts were issued, each excelling the preceding in intensity. One edict ordered the burning of every copy ofthe Bible—the first instance in [Christian] history when the Scriptures were made an object of attack (1897, 175).Of course, as every student of history knows, events changed radically when Constantine the Great came tothe Roman throne in A.D. 306 at the age of thirty-two. He solidified the Western empire by the defeat of his rival, Maxentius, in A.D. 312. The following year Constantine (in concert with Licinius, emperor in the East) issued a decree that granted legal protection to Christians. A form of this document is found in Eusebius’Ecclesiastical History(Book X, Chapter V). Once more the sacred Scriptures could find their wayfrom places of seclusion and exert their benevolent influence.Pagan Intellectual AssaultIf one method of opposition fails, then another must be employed—so surmised the apostles of paganism. Julian, a nephew of Constantine, came to the Roman throne in A.D. 361. When Julian was quite young, his family was murdered by wicked churchmen, into whose hands he was thrust for care. This circumstance, together with his early exposure to pagan philosophy, led him to renounce Christianity at the age of twenty (though it is doubtful that he was ever sincerely disposed toward the religion of Jesus). The year he assumed Roman rule, at the age of thirty, he openly declared his hostility to the Bible (hence he became known asJulian the Apostate. Three centuries of bloodshedhad not enhanced the cause of heathenism. Persecution had merely accelerated the spread of the Christian cause. Julian thus determined that he, with logical argument, would destroy the influence of the Scriptures.There had been earlier attempts to meet Christianity head-on in intellectual debate.Celsus (ca. A.D. 178) had written a treatise called “True Discourse,” which was “the first literary attack upon Christianity” (Cross 1958, 256). Similarly, Porphyry (ca. A.D. 232-303) authored several books against the Scriptures. These efforts, however, were isolated, and largely stood in the shadow of the violent persecution of those early centuries. Now, in a period of greater tranquility, Julian would renew the assault. Shortly before his death, he wrote a bitter attack against Christianity, the only remains of which are to be found in a refutation produced by Cyril of Alexandria (ca. A.D. 432). The “Apostate” merely regurgitated the arguments of Celsus and Porphyry in a modified form, expanded somewhat by his larger acquaintance with the Bible (Schaff 1981, 75). While this literary effort was doubtlessly effective with some, a skeptical historian, Edward Gibbon (1737-1794), penned this curious remark: “[T]he Pagans . . .derived, from the popular work of their Imperial missionary [Julian], an inexhaustible supply offallacious objections” (n.d., 766; emphasis added). “Fallacious objections?” Strange but powerful words from an infidel! Nathaniel Lardner (1684-1768), in his renowned work,The Credibilityof the Gospel History, has shown that Julian, in his vitriolic narrative, actually provided a number of incidental admissions that confirm the truth of most of the leading facts of gospel history (see Schaff 1981, 77-79).Papal OppositionThe Bible has had to survive not only the persecution of its enemies, but has had to weather the opposition of its so-called “friends” as well. Though some historical revisionists attempt to exonerate the Roman Catholic system of efforts to suppress the Holy Scriptures, the plain facts are undeniable. On numerous occasions in centuries past, church authorities had committed the Bible to flames
The Bible to flames under the translation was vulgar. The Fourth Rule of the Council of Trent stated that the indiscriminate circulation of the Scriptures in the common vernacular would generate “more harm than good.” Therefore, those reading or possessing the Bible “without . . . permission may not receive absolution from their sins till they have handed [copies of the Scriptures] over to the ordinary” (Schroeder 1950, 274).Persistent effort was made by the Romanizers to suppressthe English Bible. In 1543 an act was passedforbidding absolutely the use of Tyndale’s version, and any readingof the Scriptures in assemblies without royal license (Newman 1902, 262).Thousands of copies were burned. “Of the estimated 18,000 copies printed between 1525-1528, only two fragments are known to remain” (Thiessen 1949, 84).Modern RationalismAs a result of the tyrannical power of the Roman Catholic Church, the Protestant Reformation was born. A by-product of the Reformation was an emphasis upon the use of the individual mind for personal Bible interpretation (as opposed to the dictums of the priesthood). While this spirit was admirable, some took it beyond the bounds of legitimacy, virtually deifying human reason. The movementwas distinctly identified when Johann Selmer (1725-1791) began to argue that biblical events must be judged in the light of human reason/experience, and so, thereality of Jesus’ miracles was called into question, Christ’s deity was denied, etc. The rationalistic disposition grew rapidly in the fertile fields of the German universities, and perhaps reached its culmination with the publication of Friedrich Strauss’sLife of Jesus(1835),in which the author undertook to show that the Gospel accounts were mere “myths” (Hurlbut 1954, 178-179).In France, Rationalism found a champion in Francois Marie Arouer—popularly known by his pen-name, Voltaire—a deist who produced several volumes brimming with hatredfor the Bible. No one in Europe did as much to destroy faith inthe Word of God as Voltaire. France rejected the Scriptures,tied a copy of the Bible to the tail of a donkey, and dragged itthrough the streets to the city dump, where it was ceremoniously burned. But, asCoffman notes, “since that time, the government of France has fallen thirty-five times” (1968, 343-344). Voltaire predicted that within ahundred years of his death (1778) Christianity would be swept from existence and pass into history (Collett n.d., 63), yet two centuries have come and gone, and today, rare is the person who owns a copy of Voltaire’s writings, while almost every home is adorned with a Bible. TheEncyclopaedia Britannicanotes that Voltaire was “inordinately vain, and totally unscrupulous in gaining money, [and] in attacking an enemy” (1958, 250). Indeed! His final days were spent in agony. As an ex-Catholic, he loathed the idea of not having a “Christian burial.” He even signed a confession begging God to forgive his sins—which his biographers claim was insincere (Brandes 1930, 328-329). When the composerMozart heard of the skeptic’s death, he wrote: “[T]he ungodly, arch-villain, Voltaire, has died miserably, like a dog—just like a brute. That is his reward” (as quoted in Parton 1881, 617).In America, the battle against the Bible was led by men like Thomas Paine and Robert Ingersoll. Paine (1737-1809) came out of a Quaker background and gained considerable prominence as a result of his writings (e.g.,Common Sense) advocating America’s independence from Britain. Eventually he went to France. There he yielded to theinfluence of French deism, andso composed his infamous tome,The Age of Reason, which was a passionate attackagainst the Bible. His qualification for such a task may be illustrated by the following admission. In discussing a passage in the book of Job, Paine says: “I recollect not enough of the passages in Job to insert them correctly . . . for I keep noBible” (n.d., 33). Again: “[When]I began the former part ofThe Age of Reason, I had, besides, neither Bible nor Testament to refer to, though I was writing against both” (Ibid., 71). So much for scholarship. Paine died a bitter and lonely old man, having lost most of his friends due to his political views and his hostility towardsChristianity (Cross 1958, 1005). His trifling little volume is mostly ignored today. In thiswriter’s city (Stockton, California), of more than a quarter-of-a-million people, the public library’s only copy ofThe Age of Reasonhas been checked out sixteen times in the past ten years!Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899) was a politician who gained his real fame as an agnostic lecturer. He toured the country blasting the Bible. Quite the eloquent speaker, he was paid as much as five thousand dollars for some of his speeches, and thousands thronged to hear him rail against things holy. His “Mistakes of Moses” was apopular presentation. William Jennings Bryan once quipped that it would be much more interesting to hear Moses on the “Mistakes of Ingersoll.” Ingersoll had been greatly influenced by the writings of Voltaire and Paine (as well as others), and initially was a deist. Eventually, he evolved into a full-blown agnostic (Larson 1962, 76-77). Ingersoll was enamored with Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution, and argued that Darwin’s discoveries, “carried to their legitimate conclusion,”destroy the Scriptures (as quoted in Larson 1962, 223). Ingersoll’s influence pretty much died when he did. This writer phoned a major Barnes& Noble distribution center and inquired regarding Ingersoll’s books. Not a solitary volume was carried in their inventory! It is a fact, though, that the views of Voltaire, Ingersoll, etc., have influenced some religionists of our era. Modern theological liberalism is so doctrinally nebulous that now even skeptics are warmly regarded. A few decades ago, Dean Shaller Mathews of the theological department of the University of Chicago assertedthat the days are gone when men like Robert Ingersoll should be regarded as anti-Christ (Horsch 1938, 7).Yes, its critics wax and wane, but the Bible abides. It will outlast them all. In the words of John Clifford:Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s doorAnd heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;When looking in, I saw upon the floor,Old hammers worn with beating years of time.“How may anvils have you had,” said I,“To wear and batter all these hammers so?”“Just one,” said he; thensaid with twinkling eye,“The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”And so, I thought, the anvil of God’s wordFor ages skeptics’ blows have beat upon;Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,The anvil is unharmed—the hammers gone!
Because God made us in His image. To live by animal instinct is against the nature of God. The end game is a gazillion of His children living in the pleasure of their eternal inheritance. As children not slaves. As beloved children.
Animals are not children. So if man behaves no greater than the instinct of an animal, then reasoning in the wisdom of God is not likely within their means.
Remember its not God torturing in hell but Demons. Its up to you to make that choice here. Hell is for those who want nothing to do with God. And thats the biggest room to accommodate all such people....and you pay for you rent with your peace of mind.
Heaven God created for people who dont feel forced to be with Him.
It's not God's choice. It your choice. Judgement has already occurred. The fact that Christ died ad you reject in the end is as though you crucified Him twice.
God made a way, were there was not a way. Man fell mankind fell. He did intervention for all fallen man.
By rejecting Him, people are saying "we love the fall more than the Salvation." And "we love darkness more than light"
He already paid a ransom, and gave sentencing to Jesus for you. So what more do you want?
Get the picture, mankind was made from dust, when they fell there was just judgement on the dust of which they were made. Dust had to return to earth. But we are eternal beings.
And if God knew what happened ahead of time, then doesn't it mean it would have to happen. Also He knew those who would be His. So we don't take the life and inheritance away from the children just because many reject His offer. That would make God unjust to those He already foreknew.
You really can get a glimpse that time properties and dimensional properties are present and Biblical.
Eternity is a time property and so is Light. When you realize everything is math and digital programing down to our DNA you realize how big this whole thing with God really is!
I did not say I rejected Him. I just said I want a 3rd choice.
What are you saying that He has a monopoly on light and now He's price gouging?
If He paid the ransom, fine. Can I go now? Or am I His indentured bitch forever?
If I don't want to go to heaven and I do not want to go to hell, why can't I go somewhere else? If God and Satan want to battle it out, fine! Leave me the fuck out of it ;)
Why don't you really investigate what's in front of you, are you a lepricon looking for gold at the end of a rainbow, with lollipop land and yellow brick roads?
You don't even know anything about what's in front of you, yet you want to seek a fairytale instead.
God reasons with us, reasons, Logic and precepts in justice and by way of facts!
Isaiah 1
18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.
19 “If you consent and obey,
You will eat the best of the land;
20 “But if you refuse and rebel,
You will be devoured by the sword.”
Truly, the mouth of the Lord has spoken.
.
Be Reasonable!!! The unreasonable perish. Because they can't reason!
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
Sometimes the answers lie in what is not clearly found, like science, this is what we see, but, what don't we see yet, behind what we see. Isn't that what science is found on?
Not on, "what makes it tick," but on "what is the "tick?"
6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.
Ok, there is a point of time or space or locality that God's presence and voice is interjected on just a term basis.
Whether in our physical dimension, our outer dimensions.
Curious words in the Bible "outer darkness" "oneness" Are these locations knowable to man through our conscious awareness and also in principles of science. If the Heavens can be stretched, stretched like a garment, then is it elastic?
If the Bible says space is expanding in ancient writings, not once but several, is it curious on what did they know, and how did they know it?
7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And Let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
"Forsake thoughts and ways and return ... Did we fall into a physical dimension, where physical restraint is entropy, and to dust we return, is caused by being confined to this physical dimension, where we see glimpses of reality at best?
As man falls further into depravity, are they falling deeper from finding God hide they still can?
Is that what God means by their " foolish hearts and minds are hardened and darkened," and God gives them over ..."
Hmm, "hardened," dense matter, the denser the matter the less able to sense the reality of reality found in the higher ways and higher thoughts of God? Is mankind becoming more dense in their physical dimensions and less flexible in dimensions of awareness?
Every Word of God is an insight! Jesus said look at the basic principles, and see behind them. Christians have with His Spirit making them one with Him, the source of Love, and Light and Live, in Oneness!
The division of sword of His Word, dividing down to marrow, and even intention of the core of us.
What drives us,?
And, what is our "god" within us down to the marrow?
Isn't that the way to transform to be everywhere at once in Him. One with God, seated with Him and in Him?
Isn't it curious this isn't a thread in the Bible, it's the entirety!
Jesus died to break open a physically binding casing that makes us part of this physical reality, then raises us into a dimension that physical " glorified" through the cross and Resurrection! Hmm, isn't that Quantum Physics in a microcosm shell?
So with this in mind, Are there many ways to God and Eternal Life?
Or just One Way, Truth and Life?
Are Christians being self righteous, or just scientifically right about the Only Way?
Cross and Resurection, Jesus says eye of a needle, going through it is only possible with God's hand pulling you through it, but the Way is curious!
"Pick up your cross and follow Me, Jesus said, this is the only way ... " So doesn't it ALL make sense?
They are going to become bible thumpers! They'll join this site and argue religion till the cows come home to roost! They will post long ass posts that no one will read! ;)
What is fictional in the Bible? Have you investigated it? Or is that an assumption?
Regarding miracles, if more is authenticated then not, and if some stories are found true, that are unlikely. Then are the miracles also possible?
My example is Joseph, the coat of many color.
It is not highly likely that a boy from the Hebrew tribe, would be sold by his brothers into slavery, then become the most exalted dignitary in Egypt.
Now, God did prophesy it to Joseph's great grandfather Abraham, along with the following 400 years of slavery.
So how does a boy beaten and sold end up a like a king in Egypt.
So was this coincidence? Without supernatural sequence of events? Two men rose up in foreign nations by interpreting dreams and visions.
Both of these men went through a series of conspiracies, persecution, unjustifiable imprisonment, to being elevated to the highest court. Joseph and then also Daniel.
But looking at Joseph, archeological finds have uncovered a timeline confirming sequential consecutive events as told in the Bible. So historically, whether the skeptics want to admit it or not, well the finds are just visibly obvious regardless.
It falls under not understanding math again, probability of finding each lined up in order like dominoes isn't statistically possible. But I guess math is subjective and individually deterministic just like truth, 😬
So they found signs of Joseph, and the famine, and Joseph's unusual exaltation in Egypt, and the migration of his family to Egypt then etc etc etc...
So if these things are real, are really they just coincidences?
And if they are just coincidences, then what is the probability of it occuring? And what is the probability of several coincidences of this magnitude of unusual occurring?
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God invented math! Maybe that's why no one understands math anymore!
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1: 1 and John 1: 1.
Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e.
Curious!
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
Woe! I see new things, I see new things often, like the text is getting clearer and clearer.
Things you hear often, make it difficult to expand in thought. Looking at this scripture in "new light" side note, its a funny saying - means revealing light unknown yet! - Another God concept from the Bible!
This scripture says seek while you can still find, then what is the point He cannot be found?
Sometimes the answers lie in what is not clearly found, like science, this is what we see, but, what don't we see yet, behind what we see. Isn't that what science is found on?
Not on, "what makes it tick," but on "what is the "tick?"
6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.
Ok, there is a point of time or space or locality that God's presence and voice is interjected on just a term basis.
Whether in our physical dimension, our outer dimensions.
Curious words in the Bible "outer darkness" "oneness" Are these locations knowable to man through our conscious awareness and also in principles of science. If the Heavens can be stretched, stretched like a garment, then is it elastic?
If the Bible says space is expanding in ancient writings, not once but several, is it curious on what did they know, and how did they know it?
7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And Let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
"Forsake thoughts and ways and return ... Did we fall into a physical dimension, where physical restraint is entropy, and to dust we return, is caused by being confined to this physical dimension, where we see glimpses of reality at best?
As man falls further into depravity, are they falling deeper from finding God hide they still can?
Is that what God means by their " foolish hearts and minds are hardened and darkened," and God gives them over ..."
Hmm, "hardened," dense matter, the denser the matter the less able to sense the reality of reality found in the higher ways and higher thoughts of God? Is mankind becoming more dense in their physical dimensions and less flexible in dimensions of awareness?
Every Word of God is an insight! Jesus said look at the basic principles, and see behind them. Christians have with His Spirit making them one with Him, the source of Love, and Light and Live, in Oneness!
The division of sword of His Word, dividing down to marrow, and even intention of the core of us.
What drives us,?
And, what is our "god" within to the marrow.
Isn't that the way to transform to be everywhere at once in Him. One with God, seated with Him and in Him?
Isn't it curious this isn't a thread in the Bible, it's the entirety!
Jesus died to break open a physically binding casing that makes us part of this physical reality, then raises us into a dimension that physical " glorified" through the cross and Resurrection! Hmm, isn't that Quantum Physics in a microcosm shell?
So with this in mind, Are there many ways to God and Eternal Life? Or just One Way, Truth and Life? Are Christians being self righteous, or just scientifically right about the Only Way?
Cross and Resurection, Jesus says eye of a needle, going through it is only possible with God's hand pulling you through it, but the Way is curious! "pick up your cross and follow Me, Jesus said, this is the only way ... " So doesn't it ALL make sense?
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
I think God is proven, as science is grappling with these things, with a scientific awareness of properties related to time, and light and invisible dimensions, the microcosm, and macrocosm, and even the theorie of science is saying, our universe exists without a point of singularity, meaning the universe is finite.
Still we must ask, what's on the other side?
And even in Steven Hawkins creative dome of "curved space" which he claims has properties able to cause it all to "create itself," from within itself, well what is in the microcosm?
How about common sense? These are all discussed by people without a particle accelerator! Known principles transcending dimensions into depths of God, and Time, and Light, and Oneness.
All these concepts have been described in a book 1000s of years ago. For being a top notch physicist, how can you not ask if Biblical knowledge and concepts are curiously applicable, then why and how do these concepts make it into the Bible, but it doesn't just simply make it into the Bible. It's consistent through every writer, it is the entirety of its message!
Some of the Bible authors expand the concepts even more than the others.
And then Jesus took these concepts out, and showed them expanded for understanding that surpassed their language and their advancements!
Giving understanding to the "foolish Bible writers" and God's "silly people" that confound the intelligent, and are just unraveling now to modern Quantum Physicists.
So I can see why God said over and over He will make fools of the wise and intelligent and make geniuses out of the simple.
Simply put, we understand Quantum Physics by the simple way of faith, and Quantum Physics took 6000 years to gain an outline of its complications.
Whereas by faith, we have lived it. So we understand it, by understanding simplicity, they are too smart to understand it even when the principles we have always known in faith have "come to light."
Maybe in some way, everything that is hidden comes to light, and those who love darkness can't experience light, is this property.
God will mock them by their own intelligence, as their own intelligence should have pointed them to the Creator, the Word of God, created all things.
So is it any wonder that Quantum Physics is STRUNG through, like connecting STRINGS throughout time and space within the pages of the the Bible?
The math is there? It is all summed up, multiple, and divided. Subtracting only the wicked out of it!
Interesting. Two genealogies have numeric placements, for caculating and the wicked in Genesis their numbers are not even mentioned. Are we a numeric digital code?
Are their numbers 666, because only 6 dimensions will be in their names in eternity? One in darkness. While the saved have the "fullness, shaken together and without measure" Curiously Jesus mentions fullness.
Are prophesies numeric digital codes, directing our appointed times?
And when the earth is shaking the wicked out of it, are they a general name " a fool" because they have no place in the ordered mathematically designed Kingdom of Light, where we each have a unique name only known to us, like our hair?
Not one hair on our head will perish, we are so known, "He knows every Hair on our head, (past present and future at once, so even if you are bald, He knows your hair! DNA! Assembling us by Resurrection not bound to our physical confinement, of the fall. That's what Jesus showed, he walked through walls, when?
After the Resurection! Did the ancients understand science more than we understand it?
He said to Mary, don't cling to Me, to Thomas He said go ahead and touch my scars, He appeared to many at once, yet says you can't grab Me yet, because He must ascend first.
Could it be, our dimmmension can't hold on to His dimension until we physically are resurrected also. Well that's in Thessalonians and really everywhere in the Bible. So is Science really behind the Bible's scientific knowledge?
I think it's facinating, isn't it?
Romans
"In this, they choose to worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator, even though Creation itself confirms God so everyone of us is without excuse."
Aren't we seeing Creation itself confirming everything God ever said?
I think so!
That's when common sense then is more advanced then science!
If these Physics principles are true Mr Steven Hawkins of Physics Science, then how are they know by the ancient prophets?
There are several scriptures that say space has some density. According to scripture, Heaven (space) can be bent, can be shaken, rolled up, bent like a tent for God to enter and dwell in. Scripture has defined light as a property that transcends present and goes into past presents and future at one time.
Elijah in a battle shows dimensions to his servant by praying Lord show him, and the servant saw angels ready for battle. In an unseen, unknowable dimmmension.
Mathmatics?
The Bible is riddled with patterns of mathmatical proportions beyond their possible advancements!
Pi is found in the Hebrew numerical value of Genesis 1:1 the equation of advanced math "e" found in the Greek numeric value of John 1: 1 - Both of these scriptures announced Creation.
So to find advancements of math are indicative of purposeful design right in the 1st verses of both the old and new Testament are interesting to say the least!
And written language even its direction Hidden in the text showing both ways with YHWY in the middle in math equation of divisibility by the famous number "7" And these are just puzzle pieces, but they fit together like the are one picture scattered in pieces that undeniably are pieces of ONLY one picture.
How does that happen through 1000s of years and 66 writers that make up One Book? God's Word to mankind, in one Singularity, "One Bang" One - the smallest division that is the single point of Oneness, in Quantum Physics, is God in the microcosm?
It seems to me that the micro cosmetology is the point of Creation. We find God in a Kingdom of Light that is One. We are stones making up this One Kingdom, not divided against itself, because it is divided down to its oneness of division, where no division beyond it exists. ONE! The Lord our God is ONE!
Can you imagine when God unravels all his secrets hidden in the text, how foolish smart men like Steven Hawkins will be on that day?
And think about it, two languages used to write the Bible, Hebrew and in the time of Jesus Greek.
Two languages where each letter conveys three interpretive properties. multi- dimensional thought in writing!
Letter values to form words, picture value for understanding concept, and numeric value to code writing in diversities as complicated as DNA coding. Which if applied may suggest digital coding, a hologram, living in a matrix with dimensions of unseen particles right next to us. Which some can perceive and others are dull to.
It's unusually interlinked within itself, like a computer, when you look st the Bible from a prespective of God in physics and mathmatics.
And appearances of "ufos" are curious they seem to come and go through dimensions. Well the Bible talks about this in
I think this warfare mentioned in the Bible at the very least is hands down curious and to the wise should be investigated.
Even the Resurrection is a dimensional concept. And the Bible weirdly went out of its way to highlight these things. And science proves God everyday. Can we box God in by science, but because within this crazy book, every crazy science advancement is detailed!
So the common sense would be who told the guy without technology that Light is eternal and can be everywhere at once?
Or that right next to us are dimensional factors of presence that can't be seen with the physical eye, like in many places but Elijah is a good example?
Or that genes can be manipulated and cross mutated on purpose with creatures to make unnatural creation by manipulating basic natural creation?
Or that a hair on the head is knowing us, our individuality in a hair?
Or a transformation of our physical bodies by a twinkling of an eye which is speed of light as seen in photography, the speed of light that enters the pupil of the eye?
And the references to these, Like when Jesus says if the eye
has light the body is full of light. so we have Jesus describing
a transcending of dimension by Light in the eye, transforming our mortality to immortality, and in Thessalonians it's described as happening in a "twinkling" of an eye!
How did they know the speed of light that transcends our physicality? Or time? Or the place where light in arc of direction is an eternal property. Where light speed is so fast that time stands still. Or that the theory of Quantum Physics shows what the Bible says the sword of His Word dividing to the smallest possible division.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
The whole Bible is physics. String Theory?
Hmm oneness?
The last final division possible in physical locality, results in non-locality, and it becomes one with everything.
How much is Oneness discussed in the Bible?
It's weird to have all these concepts rolled up and discussed exhaustingly from Genesis to Revelations!
Oneness, God, the Trinity, The Spirit within us, Oneness within us making communication with God possible by breaking down our physical consciousness and opening up our dimensional consciousness.
Oneness, able to communicate in subparticles in many degrees of division to the marrow! not through expansion out but in. The wheels in Ezekiel shining with eyes all around it, inside each other by way of projecting dimensions within dimensions.
God is found in the lowest possible division, where one singularity exists as a Kingdom that cannot divide against itself! Hello? Is God in Science? Well hasn't He described it all along?
What holds a Kingdom together, and what divides a Kingdom?
Matt 12
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.