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 What does HBO's West World have to do with Christianity? (40)

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What does HBO's West World have to do with Christianity?

When the guy is questioning the female robot, he says, "Your life depends on the answers to my questions."

Kinda like what I imagine Christians think is going to happen when they die.

GOD:  "Do you accept me as your lord and savior?"

I mean, were we not given free will?  What's the point of free will if you're going to be punished for it?

Maybe the whole point of the human race is to entertain God.  It must get pretty boring being all mighty and all knowing.
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The robots in West World were created in man's image. ;)

Winklepicker(1021) Clarified
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Such irrational zealots have been brainwashed many years ago and regardless of what reasoned counter argument you present they will simply quote the fanciful notions of the well meaning academics of their day who tried in their state of ignorance to explain the mysteries of the universe in a 2000 year old book called the Bible, or the Koran, or whatever.

Let's take a close look at the Biblical account of the beginning of earth and mankind.

One day when God was zooming around the Cosmos he thought, I must build another world. I mean I only have a trillion zillion at the moment.

So wallop, bang, zap and behold the world exists.

Then he decides he would like a nice garden with pretty flowers and fragrant foliage. Kapow, the garden is there.

While twiddling his thumbs one wet afternoon he come up with the idea of making a man, maybe just out of boredom.

Yes, you're correct, along came Adam.

Adam appeared in the garden around 40 years of age.

He didn't wonder, what the hell am I doing here?

From where did I come?

No he just wandered happily and contentedly eating the lush fruit and enjoying the sunshine.

God noticed Adam's state of contentment and thought, emm, I'll soon put an end to this.

Yep, you got it again, he sneaked down one night under cover of darkness and stole one of Adam's ribs from which he made Eve, the first woman.

Like Adam, Eve didn't ask where she came from, nor did Adam seem slightly curious who the hell this strange person with two pointy things on their chest and no penis or testicles was.

God then visited Eve and told her she could eat from the fruit of any tree she wanted except for one, the apple tree which he, very foolishly pointed out to her.

When God sped off for a quick burn up around the universe a snake appeared and told Eve it was okay to eat the fruit from the apple tree.

As soon as she did she became ashamed of certain parts of her anatomy, very peculiar.

Now, I don't know about you but when I see a snake I back off, if it starts talking to me I crap myself whilst running a 100 M.P.H.

This is the book upon which people swear in a court of law to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

I rest my case.

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Do you ever wonder how many times the bible makes a reference to Hell? Or.... what is the context whenever the reference is made? I'll give you a clue... Google it. ;)

jolie(9810) Clarified
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I don't think hell means what Christians thinks it means ;)

You're probably thinking, "That's inconceivable." And perhaps you recognized the reference to Princes Bride ;)

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There are 2 posibilities.

1. Your exitence started when you were born. You came from nothing and you will return to being nothing.

2. You always were and you always will be.

Either way, it doesn't matter ;)

You like rewards so you did not complain about heaven. you are afraid of punishment so are tryna make yourself believe hell does not exist. You said CHOICE. There are only two to choose from doesn't make it less a Choice. Just choose Jolie. But i can see you are scared in your head about this whole hell concept thats why you are afraid to do what you really wanna do. The choice is with you. Respond to flesh and you are rewarded with hell. Respond to the spirit and reward is heaven. So you can see your being itself is the choice(you are the choice) . Just act.

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You are probably a good person but you haven't taken the time to fill out your profile, so I'll never know! ;)

jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
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lol...i can make a profile saying good things about myself but doesn't actually mean i am. i mean what is Good?i dont even know. In this our generation everyone is good yet people getting arrested everyday....police killing people and justify, it was for the greater good. duh! "Thou shall not kill" and they cover up with laws of man but breaking the laws of God. Before the state you are a hero but before God you are just like cain(a muderer) you killed your brother. So me i try ma best to do what is right doesnt mean am good cos God says our best of righteousness is like a filthy rag before Him so then its just grace and favour outta the love of a father. So imma die tryn.lol This is no more the time where you have to be adolf hiltler to be called wicked(for your info adolf hitler almost became a catholic priest when he was young lol but see how we remember him now). This is a world where people wake up in the morning leave their homes with a gun with no one in mind to kill though but will kill anyone without hesitating in the name of self defence(since the law says its self defence). So you see this murderer calling himself good cos of the law of man. Do not be decieved , God is not mocked, whatever a sows that is what he reaps. You escaped by physical laws of man, but you will not escape spiritual laws of God cos you are not made of only flesh and so the spiritual law will apply as well

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Both were written by teams of fiction writers...................................................

jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
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Dont deceive yourself for a minute since its the easy way just to say its fiction

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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What is fictional in the Bible? Have you investigated it? Or is that an assumption?

Regarding miracles, if more is authenticated then not, and if some stories are found true, that are unlikely. Then are the miracles also possible?

My example is Joseph, the coat of many color.

It is not highly likely that a boy from the Hebrew tribe, would be sold by his brothers into slavery, then become the most exalted dignitary in Egypt.

Now, God did prophesy it to Joseph's great grandfather Abraham, along with the following 400 years of slavery.

So how does a boy beaten and sold end up a like a king in Egypt.

So was this coincidence? Without supernatural sequence of events? Two men rose up in foreign nations by interpreting dreams and visions.

Both of these men went through a series of conspiracies, persecution, unjustifiable imprisonment, to being elevated to the highest court. Joseph and then also Daniel.

But looking at Joseph, archeological finds have uncovered a timeline confirming sequential consecutive events as told in the Bible. So historically, whether the skeptics want to admit it or not, well the finds are just visibly obvious regardless.

It falls under not understanding math again, probability of finding each lined up in order like dominoes isn't statistically possible. But I guess math is subjective and individually deterministic just like truth, 😬

So they found signs of Joseph, and the famine, and Joseph's unusual exaltation in Egypt, and the migration of his family to Egypt then etc etc etc...

So if these things are real, are really they just coincidences?

And if they are just coincidences, then what is the probability of it occuring? And what is the probability of several coincidences of this magnitude of unusual occurring?

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God invented math! Maybe that's why no one understands math anymore!

There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:

Genesis 1: 1 and John 1: 1.

Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

In Hebrew:

Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew

If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:

The number of letters x the product of the letters

The number of words x the product of the words

You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In Greek:

John 1:1 in Greek

This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:

The number of letters x the product of the letters

The number of words x the product of the words

You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e.

Curious!

Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?

The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.

We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.

But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.

The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.

All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.

All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.

We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.

Are There Hidden Codes

in the Biblical Text?

The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the

skipping of the letters.

Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century

Torah Codes

49 (72) letter sequences:

• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern

• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern

• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49

• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern

• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern

• Leviticus (in Intervals of 7) - YHWH

The Torah Always Points to YHWH!

The Torah Codes

• Weissmandel, H. M. D., Torath Hemed, 1958.

• D. Michaelson, “Codes in the Torah,” B’OR Ha

Torah, Number 6, 1987.

• D. Witzum, E. Rips, & Y. Rosenberg, “Equidis

tant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis,”

Journal of the Institute of Mathematical Statis-

tics, August 1994.

• J. B. Satinover, “Divine Authorship? Computer

reveals startling word patterns,” Bible Review,

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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If we lived in a digital simulation, are miracles possible by the author of its code?

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6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.

7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

Woe! I see new things, I see new things often, like the text is getting clearer and clearer.

Things you hear often, make it difficult to expand in thought. Looking at this scripture in "new light" side note, its a funny saying - means revealing light unknown yet! - Another God concept from the Bible!

This scripture says seek while you can still find, then what is the point He cannot be found?

Sometimes the answers lie in what is not clearly found, like science, this is what we see, but, what don't we see yet, behind what we see. Isn't that what science is found on?

Not on, "what makes it tick," but on "what is the "tick?"

6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.

Ok, there is a point of time or space or locality that God's presence and voice is interjected on just a term basis.

Whether in our physical dimension, our outer dimensions.

Curious words in the Bible "outer darkness" "oneness" Are these locations knowable to man through our conscious awareness and also in principles of science. If the Heavens can be stretched, stretched like a garment, then is it elastic?

If the Bible says space is expanding in ancient writings, not once but several, is it curious on what did they know, and how did they know it?

7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And Let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

"Forsake thoughts and ways and return ... Did we fall into a physical dimension, where physical restraint is entropy, and to dust we return, is caused by being confined to this physical dimension, where we see glimpses of reality at best?

As man falls further into depravity, are they falling deeper from finding God hide they still can?

Is that what God means by their " foolish hearts and minds are hardened and darkened," and God gives them over ..."

Hmm, "hardened," dense matter, the denser the matter the less able to sense the reality of reality found in the higher ways and higher thoughts of God? Is mankind becoming more dense in their physical dimensions and less flexible in dimensions of awareness?

Every Word of God is an insight! Jesus said look at the basic principles, and see behind them. Christians have with His Spirit making them one with Him, the source of Love, and Light and Live, in Oneness!

The division of sword of His Word, dividing down to marrow, and even intention of the core of us.

What drives us,?

And, what is our "god" within to the marrow.

Isn't that the way to transform to be everywhere at once in Him. One with God, seated with Him and in Him?

Isn't it curious this isn't a thread in the Bible, it's the entirety!

Jesus died to break open a physically binding casing that makes us part of this physical reality, then raises us into a dimension that physical " glorified" through the cross and Resurrection! Hmm, isn't that Quantum Physics in a microcosm shell?

So with this in mind, Are there many ways to God and Eternal Life? Or just One Way, Truth and Life? Are Christians being self righteous, or just scientifically right about the Only Way?

Cross and Resurection, Jesus says eye of a needle, going through it is only possible with God's hand pulling you through it, but the Way is curious! "pick up your cross and follow Me, Jesus said, this is the only way ... " So doesn't it ALL make sense?

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

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I think God is proven, as science is grappling with these things, with a scientific awareness of properties related to time, and light and invisible dimensions, the microcosm, and macrocosm, and even the theorie of science is saying, our universe exists without a point of singularity, meaning the universe is finite.

Still we must ask, what's on the other side?

And even in Steven Hawkins creative dome of "curved space" which he claims has properties able to cause it all to "create itself," from within itself, well what is in the microcosm?

How about common sense? These are all discussed by people without a particle accelerator! Known principles transcending dimensions into depths of God, and Time, and Light, and Oneness.

All these concepts have been described in a book 1000s of years ago. For being a top notch physicist, how can you not ask if Biblical knowledge and concepts are curiously applicable, then why and how do these concepts make it into the Bible, but it doesn't just simply make it into the Bible. It's consistent through every writer, it is the entirety of its message!

Some of the Bible authors expand the concepts even more than the others.

And then Jesus took these concepts out, and showed them expanded for understanding that surpassed their language and their advancements!

Giving understanding to the "foolish Bible writers" and God's "silly people" that confound the intelligent, and are just unraveling now to modern Quantum Physicists.

So I can see why God said over and over He will make fools of the wise and intelligent and make geniuses out of the simple.

Simply put, we understand Quantum Physics by the simple way of faith, and Quantum Physics took 6000 years to gain an outline of its complications.

Whereas by faith, we have lived it. So we understand it, by understanding simplicity, they are too smart to understand it even when the principles we have always known in faith have "come to light."

Maybe in some way, everything that is hidden comes to light, and those who love darkness can't experience light, is this property.

God will mock them by their own intelligence, as their own intelligence should have pointed them to the Creator, the Word of God, created all things.

So is it any wonder that Quantum Physics is STRUNG through, like connecting STRINGS throughout time and space within the pages of the the Bible?

The math is there? It is all summed up, multiple, and divided. Subtracting only the wicked out of it!

Interesting. Two genealogies have numeric placements, for caculating and the wicked in Genesis their numbers are not even mentioned. Are we a numeric digital code?

Are their numbers 666, because only 6 dimensions will be in their names in eternity? One in darkness. While the saved have the "fullness, shaken together and without measure" Curiously Jesus mentions fullness.

Are prophesies numeric digital codes, directing our appointed times?

And when the earth is shaking the wicked out of it, are they a general name " a fool" because they have no place in the ordered mathematically designed Kingdom of Light, where we each have a unique name only known to us, like our hair?

Not one hair on our head will perish, we are so known, "He knows every Hair on our head, (past present and future at once, so even if you are bald, He knows your hair! DNA! Assembling us by Resurrection not bound to our physical confinement, of the fall. That's what Jesus showed, he walked through walls, when?

After the Resurection! Did the ancients understand science more than we understand it?

He said to Mary, don't cling to Me, to Thomas He said go ahead and touch my scars, He appeared to many at once, yet says you can't grab Me yet, because He must ascend first.

Could it be, our dimmmension can't hold on to His dimension until we physically are resurrected also. Well that's in Thessalonians and really everywhere in the Bible. So is Science really behind the Bible's scientific knowledge?

I think it's facinating, isn't it?

Romans

"In this, they choose to worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator, even though Creation itself confirms God so everyone of us is without excuse."

Aren't we seeing Creation itself confirming everything God ever said?

I think so!

That's when common sense then is more advanced then science!

If these Physics principles are true Mr Steven Hawkins of Physics Science, then how are they know by the ancient prophets?

There are several scriptures that say space has some density. According to scripture, Heaven (space) can be bent, can be shaken, rolled up, bent like a tent for God to enter and dwell in. Scripture has defined light as a property that transcends present and goes into past presents and future at one time.

Elijah in a battle shows dimensions to his servant by praying Lord show him, and the servant saw angels ready for battle. In an unseen, unknowable dimmmension.

Mathmatics?

The Bible is riddled with patterns of mathmatical proportions beyond their possible advancements!

Pi is found in the Hebrew numerical value of Genesis 1:1 the equation of advanced math "e" found in the Greek numeric value of John 1: 1 - Both of these scriptures announced Creation.

So to find advancements of math are indicative of purposeful design right in the 1st verses of both the old and new Testament are interesting to say the least!

And written language even its direction Hidden in the text showing both ways with YHWY in the middle in math equation of divisibility by the famous number "7" And these are just puzzle pieces, but they fit together like the are one picture scattered in pieces that undeniably are pieces of ONLY one picture.

How does that happen through 1000s of years and 66 writers that make up One Book? God's Word to mankind, in one Singularity, "One Bang" One - the smallest division that is the single point of Oneness, in Quantum Physics, is God in the microcosm?

It seems to me that the micro cosmetology is the point of Creation. We find God in a Kingdom of Light that is One. We are stones making up this One Kingdom, not divided against itself, because it is divided down to its oneness of division, where no division beyond it exists. ONE! The Lord our God is ONE!

Can you imagine when God unravels all his secrets hidden in the text, how foolish smart men like Steven Hawkins will be on that day?

And think about it, two languages used to write the Bible, Hebrew and in the time of Jesus Greek.

Two languages where each letter conveys three interpretive properties. multi- dimensional thought in writing!

Letter values to form words, picture value for understanding concept, and numeric value to code writing in diversities as complicated as DNA coding. Which if applied may suggest digital coding, a hologram, living in a matrix with dimensions of unseen particles right next to us. Which some can perceive and others are dull to.

It's unusually interlinked within itself, like a computer, when you look st the Bible from a prespective of God in physics and mathmatics.

And appearances of "ufos" are curious they seem to come and go through dimensions. Well the Bible talks about this in

I think this warfare mentioned in the Bible at the very least is hands down curious and to the wise should be investigated.

Even the Resurrection is a dimensional concept. And the Bible weirdly went out of its way to highlight these things. And science proves God everyday. Can we box God in by science, but because within this crazy book, every crazy science advancement is detailed!

So the common sense would be who told the guy without technology that Light is eternal and can be everywhere at once?

Or that right next to us are dimensional factors of presence that can't be seen with the physical eye, like in many places but Elijah is a good example?

Or that genes can be manipulated and cross mutated on purpose with creatures to make unnatural creation by manipulating basic natural creation?

Or that a hair on the head is knowing us, our individuality in a hair?

Or a transformation of our physical bodies by a twinkling of an eye which is speed of light as seen in photography, the speed of light that enters the pupil of the eye?

And the references to these, Like when Jesus says if the eye

has light the body is full of light. so we have Jesus describing

a transcending of dimension by Light in the eye, transforming our mortality to immortality, and in Thessalonians it's described as happening in a "twinkling" of an eye!

How did they know the speed of light that transcends our physicality? Or time? Or the place where light in arc of direction is an eternal property. Where light speed is so fast that time stands still. Or that the theory of Quantum Physics shows what the Bible says the sword of His Word dividing to the smallest possible division.

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

The whole Bible is physics. String Theory?

Hmm oneness?

The last final division possible in physical locality, results in non-locality, and it becomes one with everything.

How much is Oneness discussed in the Bible?

It's weird to have all these concepts rolled up and discussed exhaustingly from Genesis to Revelations!

Oneness, God, the Trinity, The Spirit within us, Oneness within us making communication with God possible by breaking down our physical consciousness and opening up our dimensional consciousness.

Oneness, able to communicate in subparticles in many degrees of division to the marrow! not through expansion out but in. The wheels in Ezekiel shining with eyes all around it, inside each other by way of projecting dimensions within dimensions.

God is found in the lowest possible division, where one singularity exists as a Kingdom that cannot divide against itself! Hello? Is God in Science? Well hasn't He described it all along?

What holds a Kingdom together, and what divides a Kingdom?

Matt 12

25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.

26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?

27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.

28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

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