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Debate Score:51
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Why is it that conservatives do NOT make signs, block traffic and protest everything?


Conservatives have jobs to go
In order to pay for taxes
Which are used to pay for benefits
Which liberals claim they are entitled to.

True.

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3 points

It's probably because progressives tend to view themselves as perpetual victims and view their antisocial and destructive acts as just 'getting revenge' on whoever they think is to blame for their miserable lot in life, which is why you'll find a lot more evil and debased people on the left than you will on the right.

Side: True.

Exactly true.

I always laugh at Democrats who make Rich people as the enemies. Were it not for the Rich who create most of our jobs, and the middle class who wrok hard and pay taxes, the able bodied people living off Government and votng for Democrats would starve to death.

How about giving credit to the responsible people who pay for all the charity to the lazy abled bodied deadbeats.

Side: True.
seanB(951) Disputed
1 point

Money is a necessary item for anything nowadays, which means that the pursuit of it is assumed by many to be an integral and inalienable part of human society, failure at which is a sentence to inferiority in more ways than are just or indeed fair. Money also brings with it power and influence. Perhaps if those with plenty of money, power, and influence, used that money, power and influence to greater effect, there wouldn't be a poverty problem to begin with.

But therein is succinctly the problem: it is impossible, in a neocapitalist society, run as they are, not to have poor people who live off handouts; since it is not in the interests of the powerful, to defer that power back into the hands of the average citizen. The word capitalist, by its very definition, demands a capitalising class, and a capitalised-upon class. And since the end-result of a successful capitaliser is the exertion of power -- intended or not -- via the economic subjugation of others, those with money have significantly larger say in the ways in which a society is run, particularly economically.

This is know as an oligarchy. It is not democracy. In fact, it is dictatorship through financial enslavement. True democracy hands power to the masses, and not just in bipartisan elections, but in all areas of everyday life, from economic systems and educational policies, right down to mundanities like which buildings are to be built, or not built, in one's own area code.

Read any book detailing the Athenian experiment, and you will see what democracy truly looks like. Look briefly upon any country which has adopted it in its true form, and you will see a level of power granted to people which your average American can only dream of.

If someone who is acutely aware of this deception protests a filthy rich, highly privelaged, powerful businessman attempting to curtail the rights of the poor, destroy the planet further (out of ignorance), scapegoat a race for financial problems, and scapegoat a religion for social problems, then their protest is justifiable, and ought to be so in the eyes of anyone who retains the faculties necessary to sense injustice and to desire rectification. (It makes a significant difference from people protesting the election of a black President).

There is also absolutely nothing charitable about the necessity to support citizens who might otherwise starve, as since it is entirely impossible for a society which relies heavily on the idea of capitalisation, to provide stable and well paying jobs for every citizen, it is a necessity -- and I would argue a duty -- of the government to provide financially for those whom cannot, for whatever reason, undertake a profession.

To say that a necessary payout is charity -- in the dirtiest sense of the word -- just shows how fundamentally uncompassionate the capitalist ideal is.

You, my silly fellow human, have been endowed with a poor capacity for rational analysis, and it would seem, a deficiency of heart. But that's okay, because it's not really your fault. Nobody is born without altruism and a sense of justice, some people simply have it beaten out of them.

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FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

You represent the Progressive ideology that has ushered in this exploding welfare state we are seeing today. You are probably not old enough to know how it was 50 years ago when we actually had a majority of mothers and fathers raising our children.

It's called a FAMILY! A sound family helps it's own. We had no need for bloated social programs supporting drug addicts. THE PARENTS SUPPORTED THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

We had no need for social progrms supporting unwed mothers beause the parents helped those pregnant women.

Family has since the beginning of time been the bedrock of society. It's family that helps family. There were Churches to help those with no famiies. We have always had a safety net for the helpless but Democrats have made welfare a career!

NEWSFLASH... case workers make terrible parents.

People like you refuse to address morality because you are bigots against our Christian heritage. So therefore your only answer to poverty is bigger bloated social programs that are never implemented to solve the problem of poverty. All you ever do is try to redistribute more and more money from the working man to enable many lazy irresponsible people who for the most part have created their own problems.

I'm all for a safety net to help those who can not help themsleves. I want to address the broken families that is the CORE REASON for poverty.

I've lived long enough to see America before Progressives ruined it. Let me educate you on a few things.

Tell me who forced all these unwed mothers to have sex with these selfish irresponisible men who never gave one thought of supporting any child they might create.

Tell how the Rich man or the middle class forced those two people to hook up with no committment to each other.

It's called selfish promiscuous irresponsibility. Thats the core reason for broken families. TAKING MORE MONEY FROM THE WORKERS DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM!

It's truy sad how brainwashed you have become from all the Liberal professors in College and the constant drumbeat of Liberal conditioning from our biased media and Hollywood.

What's so laughble is that all these Rich Hollywood elites never give their billions to poor people. No, they want to resdistribute the middle class wages to pay for these able bodied low income people.

We have seen many times how these Rich Democrat Politicians fight for all their might to use every loop hole in our tax code to save themselves taxes. THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO GIVE THEIR FAIR SHARE TO THESE SUPPOSEDLY HELPLESS PEOPLE.

Socialism has proved many times not to work, and Obama's short time of enabling irresponsibility, and pushing socialistic tenants on our businesses, has done nothing more than creating swollen welfare roles and hideous increases in fatherless homes.

Your ideiology has failed misserably and here you are still doubling down on failed socialistic politics.

When you reward irresponsibility and punish responsibility, you are destroying the fabric of our nation's work ethic.

Live and learn please! We have a moral problem in this nation and until you admit it and address it, there is not enough money in the universe to support all the broken families.

Side: True.

Search google images for Obama protests and see what you get. I tried linking to it, but CD keeps screwing with the URL.

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2 points

Is it Leftist Misfit or Little Misfit? I don't have my reading glasses ;)

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LittleMisfit(1745) Clarified
1 point

I'm definitely more left than right, but I think both parties have major issues and I agree and disagree with both sides on various issues.

Actually, I remember a year or two ago we took a political poll and you were more left than right. In fact, if I remember correctly you and I have very similar political positions.

Side: True.
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

If there were some many protests to "Your Boy Obama" then why didn't the MSM report on it ? Link all the protests to Obama from the MSM !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: True.
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

Hey Progressive show all the marches made on DC when "Your Boy Obama" was elected twice. Put up or shut up because you have nothing ! You are nothing more than a fool to be used by those you cast a vote for. Simpleton describes you to a tee !!!!!!!!!

Side: True.
3 points

Seems like I struck a nerve. What's the matter you precious little snowflake, does it make you sad to know that your party has a bunch of angry, racist, rednecks in it. Oh wait, you're one of them, so of course it doesn't make you sad, it makes you jizz in your pants. Guess what buttercup, both sides of the political spectrum have major issues. Both sides are full of uneducated, ignorant, bigoted idiots that are so blinded by their hate for the others side that they can't see that they are doing the exact same things they complain about. No political party is idiot free. The reason you can't see that is because you are one of the idiots.

"Put up or shut up"

I'll put up. Here's the Tea Party march on DC. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/TeaPartyByFreedomFan.JPG

Now go ahead and shift the goal posts and rant like you always do. I'll be ignoring you after this post, because you are just trolling like usual.

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outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

How many Progressives protested "Your Obama" at airports when Obama banned Muslims?

What President Obama did in 2011 was he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.”

Where were the protests ? Link them

Side: True.
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

All you can do is try to bring up images ? Where was the coverage from CNN and MSLSD ?

Side: True.
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

You don't have anything in your your tank Progressive ! It's all EMPTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: True.
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1 point

What is that? Like 25 people protesting ;)

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LittleMisfit(1745) Clarified
1 point

Nah, I'm pretty sure there are at least 27 here

Side: True.
1 point

NOTE: They are not blocking traffic ;)

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1 point

The Progressives have no leg to stand on and their failing attempt to do so shows how pitiful they are.

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outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

Hey Snowflake can you produce any evidence of protests on DC when Obama was elected twice ? Show the proof Snowflake if you got it !

Side: True.
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

What protests were documented in airports when what Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months ? Share snowflake

Side: True.
1 point

Well let's think that through...

1) Demographics of the conservatives is generally old and white. Demographics of liberals is generally young and mixed. Old white people generally don't stay out late, take big risks, or have a drive to try to change their world.

2) You don't need to protest when you already have control and the system is set up to favor your kind.

3) When conservatives do protest it usually involves guns and bombs, like attacking an abortion clinic, or taking over federal lands over a tax/fee dispute.

4) When conservatives do protest you end up with KKK and burning effigies and direct assault on any counter protesters present.

5) When conservatives know they're outnumbered demographically they're wisely careful about what they do. When you guys decide to cut funding to inner city schools supporting poor minorities you typically don't drive into the inner city and protest in front of the school you're going to slam. You just silently screw them from the quiet of your homes and offices.

Oh, and let me build on that last point. Speak up now. Which of you conservatives on this site have spent any significant time physically present in a location where minorities and the poor predominate? Any of you?

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1 point

I'm allergic to poor people ;)

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Grenache(6058) Clarified
1 point

They're allergic to each other too. That's why some of them drink and do drugs to cope.

Side: True.
daver(1771) Clarified
1 point

I can't afford to be poor, everything costs too much 😂

Side: True.
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
1 point

Once again a Progressive shows how truly ignorant they are when it comes to history. Hey Progressive the KKK was the strong arm of Democrats in the South. Do you remember Robert (KKK) Byrd ?

Side: True.

Because conservatives don't have the backbone to stand up for stuff they don't agree with?

The protests have occasionally gotten out of control, but there's nothing wrong with peaceful protesting.

It does piss me off when 'liberals' claim to be peaceful and say "love trumps hate" yet go around burning cars and lamp posts. Obviously the majority are using non-violent platforms, but the minority of aggressive ones make the left look bad.

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1 point

Why is it that conservatives demonize liberals simply by the tone in which they propose their arguments? As if exercising one's right to FREE SPEECH is a bad thing. There are plenty of videos with huge conservative rallies full of signs...

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1 point

Proof that liberals think free speech is a bad thing. ;)

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