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1 point

About 150 million people in the USA own a gun.

There are about 30-40k deaths caused by guns per year.

About 65% of those are suicides.

About 80% of what is left are Gang-Related.

So if you don't kill yourself and you are not the member of a gang then your chance of being killed by a fire-arm in the United States is about 0.0006%. (That includes Accidental Deaths, Justified Police Killings, Justified Defensive Killings, etc)

So if you aren't a criminal or involved in an accident, your chances are even lower.

But let's all pretend America has some big issue with guns.

Our real issue is Mental Health (suicides) and Gangs.

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You aren't looking at the whole picture.

Imagine you are a single mother at home with your kids. If there are no guns, any male that enters your house wins any confrontation with you about 99% of the time.

But if you have a gun you are equal. Even if he has a gun too, you are equal. If you have a gun and he has a Machete you have the power to defend yourself and your children.

Removing guns from people who want to use it to defend themselves, is leaving them at the mercy of any criminal that decides to target them. It is a sad reality but there are bad people out there, and it is up to you to be responsible and defend yourself, your property, and your family.

Sure the police will get there after the crime is over, if your lucky they will get there DURING the crime being committed. But police are reactionary. They only come after the crime has started, and it takes time for them to arrive. The Police do not defend you, it is their job to put people in jail AFTER they commit a crime.

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Oh your right.

I forgot there is a way to eliminate violent crime.

Oh wait there isn't, and also 1% of humans are psychopaths.

We don't live in a fantasy land, and police are reactionary. You don't buy a gun because you want to use it. You buy a gun hoping you never have the need to use it. Knowing that some day you may be glad you had one.

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I said I can pull up thousands of gang violence murders that are done with Machetes.

I never said it was in the U.S. I was stating how gangs in locations that do not have access to guns operate.

If I was your English teacher you'd get a very low score for reading comprehension.

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I can't believe you can literally read and respond to logic and just ignore it.

Astonishing.

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"If you put tools designed to kill into the hands of everyday people then what do you expect them to do?"

Well lets see.

Over 1/3rd of all Americans own guns. So that's over 105 Million people.

Even if we include suicides, accidental deaths, gang killings, and police shootings that is let's round it up to 40,000 gun deaths a year.

1% of people who own a gun killing someone would mean 1 million people are killed a year.

0.1% would be 100,000.

It's actually less than 0.04% of people who own a gun use it.

And of those 0.04% 0.03% are suicides.

So 0.01% of people use guns against another person. (Not on themselves)

Oh and of that 0.01% most of those are Gang Violence.

So it's about 0.002% of people who are not in a gang and own a gun will use it to shoot another person. And these aren't even all murders. This includes accidental, police shootings, Justified shootings, etc.

This also means if you aren't killed by a gang, or commit suicide, your chance of being shot by a gun in the United States is about 0.00067%.

Just to compare, the chance of getting killed by a Knife in the us is somewhere around 0.00050%. Matter of fact, if you put other murder weapons together, (including knives, blunt objects, fists/hands/strangulation, etc) then if you are murdered and not a member of a gang, you are more likely NOT to die by a gun in the U.S., but by other means.

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Sigh, you miss the point entirely.

Let's say we have 100,000 Homicides a year.

Let's say 70% of these involved a gun. So we have 70,000 Gun Homicides.

Then we waive a magic wand and all guns are gone from Society. And we look at next year.

We have 100,000 Homicides again.

But 0% involve a gun because they no longer exist! How Wonderful we stopped gun violence.

Never-mind that we actually made 0 progress. We can use words in ways that make us sound smart. "We stopped all gun violence in 1 year by eliminating all guns!"

Guns are not the problem.

If people are committing suicide and you don't like it. Don't take away the gun, find out why they are committing suicide and resolve that.

Taking the gun away doesn't resolve the issue.

If you have constant gang wars, yes that is a problem that needs to be solved, but I can easily pull up thousands of videos of people being hacked to death with Machetes in places where guns are hard to get.

Taking the gun away doesn't resolve the issue.

If you have school shootings, taking away the gun does not stop bombings, or stabbings, or help the actual issue that we have people that want to commit such acts.

Taking the gun away doesn't resolve the issue.

That was my point.

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Which shows not only are you unreasonable.

You also do not know what applies to Attack and Defense.

Like I said before, Unarmed soldiers are known as "Defenseless". If you killed unarmed soldiers this is against international law. But if they are armed, then they are able to defend themselves.

Did I explain attack and defense well enough for you to understand?

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No, it isn't about if someone is less or more dead.

60% of gun deaths in the U.S. are Suicides.

Of the remaining 40%, about 80% of those are gang-related.

Which leaves 5% of gun deaths in the united states are homicides, accidental deaths, self defense, police shootings, mass shootings, etc.

We have an incredibly low amount of gun deaths per capita. We have enough guns to arm every man woman and child in a country of over 300 million people, and more people die from kitchen appliances every year than these remaining 5% of gun deaths.

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