Joe_Cavalry All Day Every Day

Just...Really? how else were commercial vessels allowed to protect themselves against pirates? they owned cannons. it's a fact of history. how else could there BE Privateers and Pirates if the act of owning guns was illegal? even if it was a joint venture by a company to buy artillery, it makes no real difference to my argument. the fact was, given the proper funds, anyone could build an army, and maybe a navy, and the government would not have the power to take away their cannons. but now in a world where we have a military and a police force, it's argued that we don't "need" arms anymore. but need or not, it should be my freedom to have weapons, and this trick they pull where they slowly strip back the availability is honestly Bullshit.

Cannons on a ship in a port town could kill a lot of people. it didn't happen though. and if it did, they probably blamed the pirates, not the Cannons.

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think of it more like SWAT where their goal is death not capture. it doesn't work, because they make martyrs. but that's the future of a world where the average citizen is not armed. first, they feed you the lie to tell you "SWAT+ is meant to protect you against those nasty people who still own guns" then it supplants the police force. and then you lose all your rights. the whole bill of rights ceases to exist without the second amendment. Civil wars are the worse option when you weigh them against shootings. mostly because everyone loses. guns that are "Objects of war" are like Nukes. if you hold nukes the mere threat of using them is enough to stop most conflicts. and this doesn't even mean in a Terroristic threatening kind of way. if guns are removed, the government can give no shits about what is fair or just, and they can initiate martial law, take away your personal property, and what are you going to do about it? the reason that the second amendment exists has nothing to do with the equalization of power, and all the more to do in the preservation of the rights that the constitution suggests. Owning a gun does not make me more powerful than the government. but it sure as hell makes me a spike strip if they try to take away my rights. and seeing as though the founding fathers indicated that Naval Cannons were allowed to be used, that they were included in the right to bear and keep arms, it seems ridiculous that the government of today can tell me that I can't own a shotgun shorter than Xfeet Xinches or that contains Xbullets. Cannons were items of war, So what? they were allowed. now, people don't "Need" theses items because we have a military to fight against pirates on the sea, and we have police to fight gangbangers. there is no wild west anymore. but is that still a reason to take away the freedoms of a person? because they have a potential to do harm?

Exactly. this is why we need guns so that if the military does not defect and say "We will not fight" in a looming civil war, that we have something more than protest. this is especially true in a world where the so called "insurgents" want something that is their right to have. Like the guns that they would use to rebel against their government.

if there were insurgents in an american city, the risk for collateral damage to infrastructure would be considerable. so, having a desire to limit the damage done, Planes and tanks would not likely be deployed in the numbers you expect. instead I imagine it would come to something of an infantry war. where the military acts less like an army and more like judge Dredd Esque denial of due process. but without guns, we would be powerless to fight against a despotic regime implementing such a program. at that point, an AR-15 with Green tips would be a welcome sight for anyone who would prefer freedom over state sanctioned high security, Or perhaps one would call that Martial law.

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Chances are that the military would never get to that point. they too are citizens, and would resist the despot as much as was in their power. but I'd think I'd rather have a safeguard to civil war, and risk the chance of scattered tragic incidents, then have a repeat of the bloodiest war in american history.

False. they're training falcons to take out drones... so.... Equalized?

seems fair. I gotta pay for my own strippers and beer...and snow cones.

....I don't think corpses are embalmed at the hospital... but a cursory google search returned nothing on this topic.

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