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1 point

Duh . . . ice cubes in the Atlantic. That's how you fix global warming.

In all seriousness, I don't even need to answer the question "how can science save us?"

After all, can you even describe a single non-scientific means of question-answering and problem-solving that has a greater success rate than the scientific method?

2 points

I don't hate "God". I can't, because I do not believe that a god exists. I have never read any of the writings of Dawkins, so I don't see how you could say that I am merely repeating his "spoon fed" ideas.

And if you're going to threaten someone, it would make a lot more sense if you threatened me with something real, rather than an extradimensional punish-basement. But either way, the intent is still despicable. If you can't argue with facts, don't argue at all, threatening people is just ad baculum [essentially, Argument from the Whip], and it proves not only that you can't win this debate with facts, but that you know you don't have any facts.

But more important than any of this, is that We're not here debating hell currently, Saintnow. The claim is "this video shows proof of evolution", and it does. Debate the non-existence of your god some other day, today we're talking about proof of evolution.

2 points

No, I don't expect you to believe anything. You don't have to believe evolution, just like you don't have to believe the world is an oblate spheroid. But if you care about the truth, and do not want to believe that which is untrue, then you should believe in evolution.

Evolution is a fact; and yes, multi-cellular life did evolve from single-celled organisms. This is a fact, and yes, over time cells divided and evolved into multi-cellular life-forms, and these eukaryotic organisms became more complex, developed sensory organs and limbs and eventually nerves and a backbone.

As for "Tarzan Monkey ancestor grandma", no. We evolved from apes, not monkeys. And it was several million years ago that our ancestors were arboreal and covered in thick hair like "Tarzan" Jungle apes, so no it's not grandma.

But some of this is getting beside the point. The fact is that evolution is true, and the video around which this debate is being based is proof of that fact. It shows beneficial mutation over time.

2 points

Either you are stupid, or you are putting in extra effort not to think just for us. No matter, you're pants-on-head missing the point if you honestly think you will become your grandmother.

The point I made was that when animals evolve, they don't stop being their predecessors. When you claim that bacteria "becomes" a beetle, or a tree "becomes" a kitten, you're talking absolute nonsense. That's not what evolution is, and if you think that's what it is, you're an idiot.

There's a reason we are all carbon-based lifeforms, it's because the first lifeform was carbon-based. No matter how many times we evolve, no matter how many descendants we have, we are carbon-based and always will be. Because evolution is not the transformation of your descendants into something new, it is the minor adaptation of something that already exists.

Given time, these minor adaptations accumulate and we do evolve to such a degree that we look incredibly different from our ancestors, and if the selective factors are right, our related co-descendants can speciate to the degree that we can no longer interbreed, when those such changes occur, we create a new taxonomic clade.

There's a reason evolutionary educators will say "humans are apes" and "birds are dinosaurs", it's because whilst we have evolved from our ancestors, we don't evolve "out" of our ancestors, we evolve "out" of our extant co-descendants, this is what speciation means. We never stopped being apes,

Or, if that's too difficult for you to understand: allow me to explain it simpler.

If my grandmother is German, I have german ancestry and always will, if I marry a Spanish woman, then my children would be german and spanish. And our descendants would always be part-german and part-spanish. Even if they moved to America and lived there for seventeen generations, all of their children would still be a little bit Spanish and a little bit German.

Which is why, although we are multi-cellular, bipedal great apes, we are still carbon-based, because we descended from carbon-based lifeforms, just like all life on this planet.

1 point

This is one image, one example, of how one person is stupid.

If you consider that to be proof that the human race cannot be saved, then you're committing a fallacy of composition (assuming that something true of a sample is true of the entire set).

Not to mention, the only reason we consider this person to be stupid is because we have smarter people to compare them with, so the fact that you consider them stupid is actually proof that most people are smarter than that.

Also, considering that science is the discipline most concerned with testing theories, evaluating evidence and developing our knowledge of the world around us, I think that it's most likely that science will be on the forefront of saving the human race, if it ever needs saving.

So, no, I reject this claim. I believe Science CAN save the human race.

3 points

You are an idiot. Evolution is not the transition of bacteria into beetles or trees giving birth to kittens. Evolution is the gradual change over time.

And animals don't change into animals that are NOT their ancestors, they become more complex versions OF their ancestors, unless their naturally selected mutation is deleterious, in which case they are still just different versions of their ancestors.

It's an incredibly simplified explanation, but take humans, for instance:

ancient organisms grew a backbone, we have a backbone now.

Ancient vertebrates grew four limbs, we have four limbs now.

Ancient tetrapods stood upright, we stand upright now.

Ancient bipeds developed larger brains, we have larger brains now.

Whilst we are different, we are still vertebrate, bipedal tetrapods with larger brains even today (tetrapod just means "has four limbs" not "walks on four limbs").

Evolution is not this magical process you seem to believe it to be, we slowly develop over time, and when we develop in a way that benefits our species. Just as these bacteria developed their abilities which benefited their species. The kinds of changes I just described take millions of years and MILLIONS of mutations, so of course this video will not show evolution to that extent, but it does show these bacteria evolving over time in a way that benefits them.

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