Joe_Cavalry All Day Every Day

You have just enforced my statement that God is not good. You claim that out of the womb I am an enemy of God. I would argue that a loving God would consider you a friend as the most innocent being on earth ( a new born baby). I consider those who I have contact with a friend unless they do harm to me or my social group (family and friends). I take a position of kindness and caring first. Why would a loving God not do the same???

It is fine that you don't consider me a friend. I have been conversing with you for a while and I was genuinely empathetic to your welfare. I will refrain from referring to you as friend if it is offensive to you, Sorry.

Your claim is that Jesus is God and came to earth to save mankind by dying in our place. Now I would love a little clarification if you wouldn't mind. If God is eternal God can't die for mankind. As the story is told God punishes evil with death and rewards obedience. So why would mankind receive a reward for the "murder of God"?? You claim that it is our sin that put God/Jesus on the cross. How does the punishment of God/Jesus equate to forgiveness for our sins??? I God desires obedience and will have that in heaven as you claim then why not just have that now if God is capable?? If there was perfect obedience in heaven then Why did Satan and a number of angels disobey God in heaven? If you really study the "Word of God" it becomes too contradictory to be accurate. If you put the Good God theory to the test it always fails. The natural world order is what exists. Disease, Starvation, Greed, empathetic people and psychotic people good things befall bad people as well as bad things happen to good people. It is clear that non of the monotheistic Gods do anything productive to further their written desire for mankind or the world we live in. If this God you believe in is not impotent then why does this God not change the world to be pleasing to God???? If there were a God that wanted me to be obedient it would require very little effort on that God's part. Just personally come to me and let me know what was requested and I would conform. Instead globally there are literally thousands of different religious claims to be the one true group of followers of the creator of everything. Let's be rational they all can't be correct because they are so different. What makes your truth any more true than the others???

Next your claim is that God is good Then why would a good God destroy all mankind but 8 along with all of the innocent animals? What evil did all of the babies and small children that lived at the time of the flood do? If God is good then why do childhood diseases make innocent children suffer til death? Why do children starve to death even if they are not evil. Why would a Kind loving God do this

2 Kings 2: 23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

If God is so good and kind and powerful them why would this God need people to follow Jesus in order to forgive them? Why would a kind loving God capable of having peace on earth with loving followers go thousands of years in disappointment.

Hi friend, how have you been? Since you seem to have a strong opinion about the reality of a good God. Maybe you can answer some questions that are part of my disbelief.

If God created mankind to be pleasing and God has the ability to create anything, anyway that God desires (as the official story goes) Why then in Genesis 6:6 does God State "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. I would love some explanation of how a perfect good God creates something so disappointing.

My Internet has been a little glitchy lately. It's a problem with satellite internet, but where I live there is no other option.

If this is a repeat I apologize I wrote a reply last night but I don't see it and I surely did not want you to think that I was ignoring you. It was in reference to Biblical knowledge. I am familiar with Rev 21:8 but it clearly discusses the second death. The key word here is death. It is clear if you read revelations the righteous will be resurrected but the unrighteous like myself will be resurrected judged and killed if not in the book of life. The only things that can suffer eternally are things which are immortal like Satan. I guess I could see where you may have come to your incorrect conclusion.

Now for "The Ark of the Covenant" What if I were to say that you are correct about the physical content but I will bet my reputation, that I have indeed studied the Bible and understand it better than you, that you can NOT correctly give me the "Ten Commandments" on the tablets inside. I will formally apologize to you if you can get more than three correct. How is that for a gentlemen's agreement. I don't think you know your Bible as well as you claim

So let me get this straight I was never a Christian because now I am an atheist. I was like you in my younger days. I use to talk to God/Jesus every day. I relied on God to get through life. I would have said you were stupid if you didn't believe in God, "everyone knows that there is a God" I was confirmed "born again" at 16 yrs old I excepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I was a Christian no matter what you say!!!

As for now I would say that atheism came not from nothing but from looking at all of the information about God/Jesus and putting that into a world view to see if it was even plausible. As it turns out you have to disregard reason for religion to work. I can not disregard reason. I searched for any sign that religion could be true but there was nothing. It is not consistent, there is no evidence of a supreme power, The God of love is murderous. It is far from nothing.

Now let's discuss what it takes to be a Christian. Other people in your peer group with similar beliefs to support each other. Fear that something exists that you can't prove which can harm you after you are dead. A gullibility that allows you to believe a group of Bronze Age tribesman were inspired by God to write all of God's will so that all future generations would know what God wants of mankind. Keeping in mind that slavery is okay in God's world. The murder of people that worship different Gods or no God is acceptable in this world. The murder of women who are not virgins upon their wedding night. The murder of people that do work on a specific day of the week is condoned in God's world. Now matter how hard I tried to rationalize many of these things it all was made possible by taking God out of the equation and looking at the men that wrote the material as just men of the time trying to control the weaker minded people of the time.It always made sense if I did that. But if I try to fit a single God in the story it always fails. I could go into greater detail but I have cause many to lose faith by dong so and that is not my intention. I just enjoy a good debate and religion is fun topic.

You claim that God gives people free will. I would like to dispute that statement. The kind of free will that God give is like that of a robber with a gun who says hand over your wallet or I'll kill you. You could of your own free will give him your wallet but we both know that you didn't do it willingly. It was under threat of horrible consequence. Just as God does. If you are threatening someone to obey your command it is not free will.

As love goes I wish to share an idea with you my friend. If my child does something that I don't approve of, out of love I correct them and continue to love them. I don't have to forgive them, I expect them to make mistakes because they don't have an eternal knowledge. I support them the best that I can through all of their troubles in life. I would not want them to suffer eternally for disobeying me. I would not want them to die for disobeying me. I find that to be a loving perspective. The love that the God of the Bible portrays is not love at all. People are threatened with death for any disobedience as minor as doing work on a specific day of the week, or not being a virgin on your wedding night, or practicing witchcraft. Yet there is no consequence for owning and beating the humans that you own. I guess we have a different view of love my friend.

I enjoy Biblical debate and I am knowledgeable in the subject. I try to be polite in my discussions. Claiming people have STD's is not relevant and is a personal attack, just saying. I know that you are passionate about your religious faith and there is nothing wrong with that. If you don't enjoy religious debate then maybe you should refrain from it you will live a happier life. My friends and coworkers call me smiling Bob because I am always happy. Part of being happy is to avoid those things that make you angry or upset.

The key to understanding atheists like me is knowing that we are 100% confident that no God exists. If there is doubt those people are agnostics. We live our lives knowing that our world is what it is. There are good and bad people; bad things can happen to good people or vise versa; There will be happiness and there will be sadness, and one day we will all die. one day we will be forgotten in history, religion or the lack of it doesn't change any of that. We accept that.

May I clarify one of your beliefs that according to the Bible is wrong. People don't go to hell according to the Bible they just die if they don't follow the teachings. If you are a good follower you don't go to heaven according to the Bible you get to come back at a later date after the apocalypse. If you study your Bible you will find these things out. I wish you the best my friend and hope that you will continue to enter into religious debate. I enjoy you interesting world view.

I have noticed that you were unable to provide the Biblical information to support your claim. Since you are reading the Bible for the third time these should be easy questions to answer. It is an open book quiz, LOL