Joe_Cavalry All Day Every Day

No, you say that hell is exclusive to being a frame of mind, I say that it is both a frame of mind and a physical place.

Yeah, that was the point. I was pointing out how man could make his own hell by consistently disobeying God.

No Romans 1:26 speaks of God just handing us over to our sinful thoughts, even though sexual immorality (beastiality and homosexuality and all that jazz) was used as an example.

I agree but at the same time I disagree. Satan can be man's inward struggle and we can make a hell for ourselves, which is total detachment from God Romans 1:26. At the same time, he can also be an individual and Hell is a literal thing. I also believe that the Old testament only taught what was necessary for the Jews to know- at that point in time it was unnecessary for them to be aware of any spiriitual war taking place. The physical rules they followed would justify them, because that was all that was required. But when Jesus came, he took the message of the law and gave a deeper meaning to it, showing us much more things than we already knew, including the existence of an actual hell and what not.

I think it Satan is suppose to mean adversary to man. According to jews, it is the inclination to do evil in man's eyes but jesus actually put something different to the story, stating that Satan is the father of lies, that he fell from heaven, and is adversary to the Devil. In conclusion, I do believe that the term can actually mean both things.

I dunno, I never really trusted Catholics when it came to the Bible. In my opinion they are very iffy when it comes to getting the public's opinion on there side; they just say what they think everybody will like.

I am a recovering from eucalyptus anonymous. That stuff does some crazy shit to you man.

Eucalyptus, not even once .

Send me a direct link to the source material, not the summary.

"Yeah, the other team is irrational. Religious people are inherently stupid." I forgot why I left here. Thanks for reminding me.