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Doesn't matter, you said that Abraham would never kill his son, you are wrong.

I did say that, that being said

So, God condemns killing your son,

and asks people to kill their son. So, you are wrong, God does ask people to do things He condemns.

It was a test of faith again. (Genesis 22:1) He knew he was going to return with Issac. (Hebrews 11:17–19) Although we don't know the full meaning behind the text it is possible God was testing other things such as knowing God's morality and other things. It is still incredibly inaccurate to say that God wanted Issac to die. That doesn't mean you should hear a voice and your head and start killing people.

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Returning from the dead means he still killed Isaac. Plus, we do know because it says it right there.

He was going to do it, but he knew God was going to step in at some point.

He condemns killing your son.

Yes he does.

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Right, and it was. He fully planned to kill Isaac then.

We don't know that and it is possible that he thought Issac would return from the dead. (Ahem)

He would have left him at the altar and explained away his son later.

So a God who condemns lying would tell him to lie?

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I didn't ask Abraham if he was going to kill his son. Plus, I wouldn't admit I was going to kill my son either. I would say something like "hey go on ahead, we'll catch up"

It would be highly like that it would be talked about in the text.

I would say something like "hey go on ahead, we'll catch up"

So Abraham is simply going to take the dead body of the boy and no one is going to say anything with stab marks?

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What exactly is your point?

That Abraham knew a substitute was coming.

Starchild has not said anything about knowing there will be a substitute.

I know, but it seems likely to be what she was referring about.

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And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.

-Genesis 22:5

Abraham knew God was going to provide a substitute sacrifice in place of Issac. For your question however he wouldn't as they would be against his nature.

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No, he does not. You are being cleaned of your sins. You can still sin more in the future and break that relationship with Christ.

I agree qith the rest of your argument, but following Christ is a part of living for Christ. You have to believe and live for Christ and truly believe in his word. Otherwise, you will not make it into heaven.

The Bible clearly states in Romans 8:38-39 that it is impossible for a Christian to lose their salvation. (2) It would also make John 3:16 at least on shaky ground, as you do not really get eternal life if you can lose it. (3) Right?

Another problem is that I got it that you are suggesting that works make you saved which is condemned in Ephesians 2:8-9 (1).

Reference 1. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

-Ephesians 2:8-9

Reference 2.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

-Romans 8:38-39

Reference 3. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

-John 3:16

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If it is true, it must absolutely be on the internet... ;)

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Well, did the site get better before I joined or worse? Also, dupe.

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Well, did the site get better before I got here or worse?

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What did I just watch! Now I will think of this every time I hear jinglebells!

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I agree with you there, it makes much more sense for people to rationalize their bad decisions in the name of God then it does that the religion itself caused it. Although, some things in some religions are awful.

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It should be also noted that both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were Atheists who respectively started WWII and then started the Cold War. Both of whom murdered 11 Million and 20 Million Respectively. Should we forget the dictator Pol Pot who murdered 3 million out of a small 8 million population? Adolf Hitler himself was an Anti-Christian or at least was highly heretical prospectively in his "Christianity" in which he gutted most of the New Testament and the Bible to suit Nazi Ideals. (Positive Christianity) Some of the whose people in the history of the world have been Atheist. To me it is simply ridiculous y to state that religious people are evil.

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Religion is responsible for more death and misery than any other force in humanity. Even the "good" religious people are damaging society by being links in the chain that connect the archaic torture manuals to future generations, ensuring that there will ALWAYS be a Fred Phelps and Osama Bin Laden to read from the same book you do.

No, people just simply use religion as an excuse for their actions. Bad people will always exist regardless of religion. People such as Joseph Stalin and more have all been Atheist. Saying that religion makes you evil is simply scapegoating. Have you forgot people such as Malala Yousafzai, Mother Teresa, and more. Have you forgotten scientific figures such as Georges Lemaître, Theodosius Dobzhansky, and John Eccles? Don't you think it is possible that people use religion as an excuse for bad behavior?

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