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I remember Cartman was quickly getting up there, but he lacked your conviction to stick with it.

The one and only! I'm a little disappointed to see you below 50,000 points after all this time!

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It's rather sad to see, there are so many past members I'd love to communicate with again. Hard to believe it was almost a decade ago I joined at this point.

The website has deteriorated beyond belief, yet still Joe persists. It's a thing of awe and wonder.

Well played Joe. Well played. .

I thought it would be fitting to make the post that enters me into the 1000 point club be given on a Joe debate. Here's to another 1000!

Come on Joe, your dog avatar should be in the crop circle pic. Considering the competition from Mic, you need to pick your game up.

How about an upvote for the truth ?

even if you do believe in property, life and liberty come first.

Untrue. The ability to own property(that is to say money, shelter, sustenance, etc) is a prerequisite for value of life and liberty. It takes property to exercise one's right to liberty. It takes property and liberty to fulfill the value of the right to life. Take for example the slaves of the US's past. Life alone does not(and can not) result in an existence where individuals can meet their utility.

We oppressed the dictators they had and replaced them with dictators of our own. At least our dictators could improve their country better.

Which has nothing to do with bravery, the notion in question.

No, you have to be brave enough to declare the nation a colony

No you don't. The business of oppression neccesitates no bravery of any kind.

But you Americans are too cowardly to do that.

Right. Always a pleasure Axmeister.

Quite a few if you consider military occupation no? .

I refuse to support a liberal for president, so I will bide my time and overthrow Chaffy myself. The dawn of a Libertarian CD is coming :)

And by "positive outcome" you mean getting high off of what was in the bag correct?

Is it just me......or is this the best idea for a movie ever

Forgoing the hypocrisy you show by requesting a response from me while leaving a few arguments unanswered yourself, I will point out the flaws in your information.

First off: In your message to me you say TRUE quotes, are you implying that my source lied?

Second: Thomas Jefferson was a deist. Never in my post did I claim him to be an atheist. He was not a christian in the sense we know it. In your first quote from Jefferson, he never mentions the god of the Bible(doing so is necessary, otherwise one must assume he is talking about the bible which given contradictory evidence, that assumption cannot be made).

On the second quote, "I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ", we see that he makes a point to separate Jesus from the Bible, and that is all good. He did after all believe the Bible to be a dunghill. The teachings of Jesus alone do not equal Christianity, it is obvious there wasn't common knowledge of a descriptive term.

3:Now to John Adams.

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region"

Distant region? Sounds alright to me, as we are talking about THIS region.

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

""The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

These show Adam's belief that corruption is all throughout religion.

Also, you will have a hard time getting past this:

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Notice he refers to "general" principles in Christianity. Not the entire ideology as a whole.

4:Good old Ben.

"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion God Almighty."

God Almighty? Seems to me that that covers almost all possible forms of a monotheistic god.

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped."

More simple theism?

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see"

Notice, HE left. JESUS left. To my knowledge, Jesus didn't fuck over Christianity. The over 40 authors of the Bible did.

5:Samuel Adams

"our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace"

And yet again, no mention of validity of the Bible.

6:I'm not letting this fact be forgotten: only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

In conclusion, you acted as though I was implying the founding fathers were atheist. For the most part, evidence points towards an overall deistic view on god. They didn't exactly have the terms to describe positions on faith as we do now, and your attempts to take advantage of that goes to no avail. Not only did your quotes fail to surpass my own in terms of relevant, they also didn't fully contradict my quotes, the most vital objective your counter information needed to meet. Believing in the teachings of Jesus alone does not constitute Christianity as a whole. You attempt to thrive in the non specifics in faith: the less specific you are about a view the easier it is to defend. I will not let you set that trap. Try again if you must.

Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Jefferson again:

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

More Jefferson:

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Here's Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."

And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

Finally let's hear from James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

You can shove that christian nation bullshit right up your ass

"First off this was a phone poll" this is but one poll of many that all have the same result, and when I have the opportunity to use a desktop computer I will be more then happy to post more polls. "Often people claim to be Catholic, " if they believe themselves to be part of that religion, then they are. Just as atheists have those who simply don't care if there is god religion has those that don't follow standards of their religion. All represent a base and even through that, atheists overall have a greater understanding of religion then the common believer. "In conclusion, this is only misinformation and not factual." Your logic accomplishes nothing for your argument. According to you, no poll ever taken could be taken seriously.

"There mind is as blank as their pamphlet." christians.html

I half expect you to say you were joking.

Or perhaps the poll was fixed by the atheist war machine?

Itunes sucks ass, my computer had to run setup 4 times before Itunes finally wanted to be installed. Then, They force you to basically hand over your balls in information. I wouldn't have any problem with it if I could put mp3s the way it has been done for so long now, but they make it so your goddamn device won't even work without setting up a damn account. Itunes is right below religion on my hate list.

If this was a legit picture I might agree. But more accurate evidence is needed. I will take the incentive and try myself......................

I don't know, it seems I see this often. I've said it once or twice.

Holy shit why don't the Japanese make the rest of their shit last like that? I could certainly use an indestructible Samsung.

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