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My mother demands the toilet paper be under. Anything else and a fuse is broken.

First, for a community that wants acceptance and to be seen as anyone else, stop with the incessant labeling; and if you feel you need a label, BTQ should be sufficient.

I assumed labeling was natural. I thought everything was practically labeled. Otherwise nothing has a name or title.

Are there more studies on this? Or perhaps are there public tests with split brain patients that can be shown?

Wait what kind of news was this lol. If this a comedy sketch channel? That was pretty funny.

Interesting observation. I guess these are legitimate differences. Never thought of this before.

Starchild123(832) Clarified
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In the end, it is still a form of love. If humans are suppose to love God, what is wrong with that form of love?

A form of love? Not all sex can be declared in the name of love. Yes, humans are supposed to love God. This love shouldn't involve sexual relations. That defiles the image of God.

Starchild123(832) Clarified
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Are you saying that sex between two consenting adults is the ultimate love?

What is wrong with sexual relations?

That would be a case by case problem.

The Bible allows for sexual relations between man and woman. Man was created in the image of God, wouldn't sexual relations be a good way for a woman to become intimate with God?

Of course the bible allows intercourse between man and woman. That is the order God has set. Just because man was created in God's image doesn't mean that it's okay to have sexual relations with God.

These aren't examples of being enslaved to time, but rather enslaved to order. You have to be at work at a particular time due to the order of which the company conducts it's business. Food doesn't "need" to cook for any set amount of time, however there are optimal ranges of time to cook food to make it suitable for survival. This isn't enslavement to time, but to order.

I don't think the person who made the clock knew about that. What does daylight savings have to do with the person knowing what time it was when they created the clock?

A sham? No, but the way we view time is going to be relative to what suits us and our surroundings. I don't think it was meant to enslave us, but rather assist us.

The sun dial is not very accurate

Accurate to what? Time? We have to take into account that humans created the concept of time (in the sense of days, hours, minutes, etc). The sun dial was accurate for their measurement system.

In accordance with the sun. Of course in order to do this the person had to make their own scale for measurement. The person probably made up the units as well.

Neither. I am just repeating what I hear to be true.

Describes? What do you mean? What I'm trying to get at is the belief that sentience is a product of evolution.

The way I see it cells just began adapting to their environment. Eventually sentience came from that.

Very good question. Not sure if he was created or maybe is origin is to much for us to think of. It's generally held that God exists in a separate plane from us. So he may have never been created.

Exactly. It's an interesting quote nonetheless, but it doesn't prove anything.

I like this quote, but I don't know if this would be generally accepted.

Well I asked for your opinion on it. Are you saying you can't tell me whether it is moral or immoral because the Bible does speak on it?

I have no opinion on that matter. What another country does to it's people isn't my business.

You seem to misunderstand what subjective means. It does not mean non-existent. By examining the subject views of societies (billions of people) we discover what morality is.

How did you get the interpretation of non-existant? I never even mentioned anything about non existence. Subjective views are subjective views. Some more popular than others. So what qualifies a view as objective?

One thing that permeates all society is that suffering is bad unless someone deserves it. Societies differ in their opinion on what someone needs to do to deserve varying degrees of pain. In all cases though, it is wrong to cause pain to the innocent. This probably derives from our feelings of empathy and the dislike for pain normally present in every human being. Therefore, a creature choosing random people to be born into an eternity in hell is universally wrong.

Why is societies basis the objective basis?

Of course you can call evil good if you want. Language is very versatile. Bare in mind though, you might as well say God is flim-fom-flupity-flap.


This is just as devoid of meaning as when you describe him as good or compassionate or loving. All our experience, all our understanding of those words are completely incompatible with the notion of a creature that deals out the worst punishment imaginable to the most innocent (not going to accept: "but their parents were bad :(" seriously, would that argument make sense to you in any other context?) people. Christians need to find new adjectives. Flim-fom-flupity-flap is a good choice. You can make up whatever meaning you want then without having to rely on circular reasoning (A good God is good, a loving God is loving etc etc).

You can call God what you want, but your view still is of little importance in relativity to all scales of morality. You haven't proven an objective moral or what prompts an objective basis or why multiple subjective views just become objective when other views that contrast it exist.

So actually what the communist dictatorship in China do to this citizens is okay then? Torture of non-christians is completely acceptable? Just so I'm absolutely clear.

What a country does to it's people isn't my business. If morality is truly subjective then what they are doing is only wrong to you. If morality is subjective can you tell me why what China does to it's citizens is wrong?

Okay okay. But you understand that if the devil did the same thing then it would be evil?

No, it wouldn't.

If he randomly chose people to spend eternity in hell. Can you understand that to an atheist your God is an evil character?

Yes. Do you understand that for us anything separate for faith is evil?

We don't have the circular excuse of "evil things are not evil when God does it because evil things God does not do".

That's fine. You don't have to, but it's true, Excuse or not or whether you accept it or not. We have a basis for our morality. Maybe it would be wise to find a reason as to what makes God evil and what makes your judgment objective.

I see, well that's an interesting view. I respect it of course. I don't know how to challenge it though.

I'm asking you why is it immoral to torture those that God deemed worthy of torture for eternity...?

I don't believe it is immoral.

When I read the Bible I would imagine that Christians must be terrible people. However, this is not my experience of Christians.

There is no evil in God.

Starchild123(832) Clarified
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I actually do. I actually believe that God will test the hearts of those who didn't choose God on Earth in a purgatorial type thing. The Pope says nice people will go to Heaven and I believe that. There are some who believe Hell isn't even possible to reach for humans. So in the end times you suffer from the Earthly calamities and you just go to Heaven. So many beliefs. My mom was Catholic (still is) and my dad was Muslim (still is). So I understand three different variations of faith.

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