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Are mental illnesses proof of God's cruelty?

I say yes. If people cannot feel safe inside their head, God is a cruel tyrant who gets off on human suffering. Even the Bible say that precious in His sight is the suffering of the saints. Thanks God. You betcha.

Yes.

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No.

Side Score: 30
3 points

If God existed, I would say yes. But the same could be said about people born with any illness, or ugly people, or people born to poverty etc.

Side: Yes.

This is based on the presumption of the monotheistic God existing, but good point. :)

Side: Yes.

If God existed, I would say yes.

Let's assume that he does exist, what would have caused the uprising of these mental illnesses? Adam and Eve clearly didn't have any.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Mutation... evolution...

Side: Yes.
3 points

Mental illnesses conflict with free will.

Side: Yes.

You are so right. .

Side: Yes.

I partially agree, but whu blame God for mental diseases and illnesses if he didn't create them?

Side: Yes.
sauh(1106) Disputed
1 point

Many people free cause their own mental illnesses; take homosexuality for example, or people who wear skinny jeans.

Side: No.
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

I almost laughed...

Side: Yes.
1 point

I am an atheist.

However for all you theists or fence sitters out there, I'd imagine the question in the title, is a question you have already asked yourselves before, though perhaps not in that exact fashion.

If there is a god, why did he create mental illness? Or any illness for that matter? Why are these inflictions visited upon the innocent, the young and the vulnerable?

In my mind, such things could only be the creation of a particularly vile and twisted individual.

I'm afraid the argument 'God moves in mysterious ways' just doesn't cut it in the face of such a debilitating and horrific condition.

For further proof of gods cruelty, I would suggest a good read of the Old Testament.

God telling Abraham to sacrifice his own son Isaac, just to satisfy gods curiosity, as to wether or not Abraham had faith in him is but one example. Rather sick and cruel of god if you ask me.

Side: Yes.
mc1934(70) Disputed
0 points

If there is a god, why did he create mental illness? Or any illness for that matter? Why are these inflictions visited upon the innocent, the young and the vulnerable?

First of all there is no one that is innocent.

Romans 3:9-18

9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;

11 there is no one who understands;

there is no one who seeks God.

12 All have turned away,

they have together become worthless;

there is no one who does good,

not even one.”[b]

13 “Their throats are open graves;

their tongues practice deceit.”[c]

“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]

14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]

15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;

16 ruin and misery mark their ways,

17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]

18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]

Romans 3:23

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

It is sin that brought all of the curse and pain and suffering on the world (Genesis 3:14-19). While it is not necessarily our personal sin that leads to all afflictions on us sometimes what afflicts us does so to allow God to be glorified through us through our obedience

John 9:1-3

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

2 Corinthians 11:16-12:10

16 I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool. But if you do, then tolerate me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting. 17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool. 18 Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face. 21 To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!

Whatever anyone else dares to boast about—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast about. 22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham’s descendants? So am I. 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?

30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying. 32 In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me. 33 But I was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and slipped through his hands.

12 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell. 5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, 7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

For further proof of gods cruelty, I would suggest a good read of the Old Testament.

I have read it 15-20 times and just don't see what you do.

God telling Abraham to sacrifice his own son Isaac, just to satisfy gods curiosity, as to wether or not Abraham had faith in him is but one example. Rather sick and cruel of god if you ask me.

God had no curiosity as to what Abraham would do. He knew what Abraham would do and if you read the text you would also know that Abraham knew that God would provide a way to spare Isaac.

Genesis 22:5

5 He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.”

When God tests people it is not for His curiosity it is for our education that He will be with us and support us if we place our faith in Him.

Side: No.
1 point

First of all there is no one that is innocent. Babies are innocent. It is sin that brought all of the curse and pain and suffering on the world (Genesis 3:14-19). While it is not necessarily our personal sin that leads to all afflictions on us sometimes what afflicts us does so to allow God to be glorified through us through our obedience God wanted that sin to happen or it would not happen. I have read it 15-20 times and just don't see what you do. You are more blind that Stevie Wonder. God had no curiosity as to what Abraham would do. He knew what Abraham would do and if you read the text you would also know that Abraham knew that God would provide a way to spare Isaac. I don't like that God inflicted that pain. When God tests people it is not for His curiosity it is for our education that He will be with us and support us if we place our faith in Him. That is the equivalent of a father beating his child to teach him or her respect.

Side: Yes.
2 points

actually it says: Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his faithful servants

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New Living Translation: The LORD cares deeply when his loved ones die

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also: God is not the author of fear, but of love / power and a sound mind

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Side: No.
1 point

You'll never hearin in any religion,how their god got them off of drugs & out of gangs. You'll never hear them say,how they lived,when the docs said they had no chance,only in christianity.

Side: No.
Hitler(2364) Disputed
-1 points

Go back to DDO, inferno.

Side: Yes.
2 points

If life is eternal, what people find to be cruel on earth would seem pretty insignificant in the long run.

Side: No.

You are right, I needed to hear that, thanks. :)

Side: No.
2 points

I'm a firm believe that God does not want people to be blind servants. Being the loving God that He is, He wants us to have a choice of whether or not to serve Him. Now, without suffering, without this life, would we have this choice, or enough information to make this choice? So, is God cruel? Definitely not. Is He loving? Definitely so.

Side: No.
Client444(61) Clarified
1 point

An example in the Bible of this is a parable told by Jesus himself, found in Matthew 13: 24-30.

Side: Yes.

It's actually proof of his sense of humor ;)

Side: No.
2 points

No, because it begs the question, that god exists in the first place, and more than just a god, an omniscient, omnipotent one at that. Mental illnesses is not evidence for God's cruelty, mental illness is evidence of a mental illness. If a omnipotent, omniscient god does exist, then honestly, yes it would be evidence of God's cruelty.

Side: No.
1 point

Their existence is proof that either God doesn't exist or he is one evil fuck anyway and shouldn't deserve moral sovereignty.

Side: No.
1 point

Im feeling that way now, but I dont wanna piss Him off. .

Side: Yes.
3 points

God is all-loving. Pissing him off should be impossible.

Side: No.
Spiderman(4) Disputed
1 point

I'm afraid you're incorrect sir. Many ppl have thanked God from being delivered from drugs & gangs. People have not lived passed 6 yrs in a detox center. Also, many people have testified getting healed,(when the doctors said they said they wouldn't live past a fee month. People have gotten up from wheelchairs. If anyone thinks it's a scam,they can have a friend)

(s) or family member(s) to go on the podium to be prayed for. If they refuse to pray for them,then it's a scam. If they do pray for them & get healed,they'll have something to be happy.bout. Either way,they have nothing to lose

Side: Yes.

Or it could just mean that he doesn't exist.

Side: No.
Spiderman(4) Disputed
2 points

Many people have stated they went to Hell. Dreams by themselves,don't cause pain & you have to be awake to hallucinate. So in other words,neither of happened. Daniel chapter 11 predicted that Alexander the Great would conquer Persia, & that it would be divided into four different lands. Everyone who has studied history, would know that did indeed happen.

Daniel chapter 7 also stated that Greece would defeat Persia & that Rome would be the next supreme empire. The reason why is, because each beast represented a different nation,like The Bald Eagle represents America today. Anybody who doesn't believe me, can research this themselves.

Side: Yes.
Vermink(1943) Clarified
1 point

Dreams by themselves,don't cause pain & you have to be awake to hallucinate. So in other words,neither of happened.

Could of been a state of mind the brain put them in, we dont know exactly what was goig theough there head. Also just because they state it doesn't mean it's true for all we know they were lying to get more publicity for having a near death experience.

Side: Yes.
dadman(1701) Clarified
1 point
Side: Yes.
1 point

Pain, want, temptations, and other bad things are the product of Lucifer (AKA The Devil) so therefore it is Lucifer and not God who is causing these mental illnesses, for he wants to sway you from your belief in God.

Side: No.
1 point

We must be talking about two very different "god"s for that to be the case.

Side: No.
1 point

NO!!!! God doesn't exist, so it's obviously not a proof of god's cruelty.

Side: No.
1 point

God doesn't exist, the world would be a better place without religion

Side: No.

No since they are the proof of genetic or external diseases which affected the human body.

Side: No.
0 points

No, It just happens because of bad genes. I hope we make a care for it and help people.

Side: No.