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43
True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:115
Arguments:105
Total Votes:122
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Bisexuals should be able to marry a man and a woman.

If you don't agree

then you are a bigot.

True.

Side Score: 72
VS.

Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 43
2 points

I don't like polygamy, but I don't have a valid reason to keep it illegal that also isn't found in monogamous marriage issues; aside from polygamy making it easier for those issues to rise.

I would like to point out just as a side note that I've also noticed a lot of people think bisexuality has to come with polyamory, bisexuality does not define whether one is monogamous or otherwise, neither do any of the other sexual orientations.

Side: True.
2 points

As long as its consentual among all parties involved, I believe a person should be allowed to take on as many spouses as they wish, be it a man, woman, straight, gay, bi, ect. If its not hurting anyone else, why not?

Side: True.

I don't think that there should be a limit on how many people you can marry.

Side: True.
joecavalry(39822) Clarified
1 point

Gold diggers should be allowed to marry as many rich men as they can.

Womanizers should be able to marry as many women as they can.

Bisexuals should be able to marry as many men and women as they can.

At what point does marriage become meaningless? ;)

Side: True.
Intangible(4933) Clarified
1 point

At what point does marriage become meaningless?

When you start thinking that it's always meaningless, no matter what.(Which is a completely subjective view)

I'm not sure if you realize, but quite a large portion of marriages are meaninglessness already, so it's technically already meaningless...

Side: True.
1 point

I aint saying she a gold digger, she got needs, don't want dude that smoke but can't buy weed. ;)

Side: True.
1 point

Well yeah. I mean, not at the same time..! But sure. Guys marry guys, girls marry girls, e.t.c.

Question:

If gay marriage is illegal, can two straight guys get married together?

Side: True.

I'm fine with the idea, but it would need to be across the board, so to speak.

When we discuss gay marriage, the key idea is that gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples. But this idea would seem to grant bisexuals more rights than either heterosexuals or homosexuals.

If bisexuals are allowed to marry one of each, in the interest of equality both polygamy and polyandry should be allowed as well.

Personally, I would consider bisexual polyamory to be an ideal state in terms of freedom and romance, though I'm far too jealous to be able to pull off polyamory myself.

Side: True.
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

It would be great if government weren't involved in such things, but unfortunately they have been, and for too long.

There are a number of well-established benefits and rights associated with marriage, and a very sizeable portion of the population (and the government, for that matter) enjoying said benefits.

The government getting out of marriage and relationships altogether would, by necessity, mean that those rights and benefits could no longer be provided by the government. There are far too many married couples who enjoy or flatout depend upon those benefits for any hope of banning government involvement in marriage and relationships to fly.

It's a great thought, and an interesting thought exercise at that, but it's not remotely feasible at this stage.

Side: True.
1 point

Bisexuality is not equivalent to a polyamorous orientation. That said, as I have seen no solid basis for denying poly-marriage to bisexuals, homosexuals, or heterosexuals I see no reason why a polyamorous bisexual should not be allowed to wed a man and a woman.

Side: True.

While I don't like the debate title, because I feel as though it is rather stereotypical and prejudice to assume bisexuals generally want both at the same time, I am sure if a man has married two women before, and vice versa, or three women have married, etc, someone has desired to marry two individuals who happen to be different sexes. As long as all parties are consenting I have no objection to this.

Side: True.

If 2 of the 3 argue, who gets to sleep on the couch? Does third person decide? ;)

Side: True.

only if the third person is the woman, otherwise it is always the man that gets to sleep out on the couch. ;)

Side: True.

I am seriously sick and tired of all the biphobic nonsense this site spouts.

Side: True.

And we haven't even started bashing Buddhism yet!!! Just you wait ;)

Side: True.
2 points

Well you can bash it, but you won't hurt it. There's no fault in Buddhism.

Side: True.
adwedw(107) Disputed
2 points

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

- Leviticus 20:13

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

- Leviticus 18:22

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God for homosexuality.

-Genesis

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

-Romans 1:26

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
2 points

Stop trying to force your stupid beliefs on us. Not every one is a Christian so not every one should have to follow the bible/

Side: True.
1 point

I have serious doubts that you are really a Christian and have a strong suspicion that you are really just a poe, but for now I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You keep posting the same verses over and over and down-voting everyone that disagrees with you, but when I challenge you on them you don't respond. So from now on every time you post those verses I will copy and paste this argument until I get a response.

Leviticus also says...

"Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death."

“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed."

“Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

“If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people."

Sorry but I don't take quotes from the Bible any more seriously than I take quotes from Harry Potter. The Bible is the last place we should be getting our morality from. The god described in the Bible is one of the most immoral beings man has ever dreamed up.

1. He says slavery is okay (Leviticus 25:44-46).

2. He says it's okay to beat your slaves as long as they survive the beating for a few days (Exodus 21:20-21).

3. He says selling your daughters as slaves and/or wives is okay (Exodus 21:7).

4. He tells his followers to make entire cities into slaves or kill them if they don't cooperate and keep the women as "plunder" (Deut 20:10-15)

5. He kills people for trying to be helpful (2 Samuel 6:3-7)

6. He and his followers go on massive killing sprees numerous times throughout the Bible, often killing children and animals. (1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 6:20-21, Judges 20:23-48, 2 Kings 19:35, Jeremiah 50:21-22, etc.)

This next passage shows just how depraved the Biblical god is. It's very long so I trimmed it some to keep it a reasonable length.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68 "Moses and the elders of Israel commanded the people... if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you: You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country... The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks... The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish... The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed. The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies... and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals... The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you. You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her... Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand... you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. The sights you see will drive you mad. The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head."

So to sum all that up, if we don't do exactly as he says he will make our lives a living hell and torture us until the day we die, and then after we die he will sentence us to eternal torment in hell. Does that sound like the actions of a kind and loving god to you? After reading all that do you really think we should get our morality from the Bible?

Side: True.
Side: True.
GOPLover(47) Disputed
1 point

I am seriously sick and tired of all the biphobic nonsense this site spouts.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

It is clearly stated as a sin in the bible so I don't get how your saying how that is biphobic and homophobic

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Well the bible is a homophobic and biphobic book and in my opinion very evil and you have absolutely no evidence to prove that the bible is not a load nonsense.

Side: True.

If a heterosexual man is forced to pick between two women, then a bisexual person must pick between a man and a woman and be done with it. For better or for worse. Till death sets you free. ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
joecavalry(39822) Clarified
1 point

Divorce doesn't really set you free ;)

Side: True.
1 point

not enjoying your single status anymore? :P

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

The argument tile is incorrect in assuming that bisexuals are polyamorous.

As for polygamy itself? No. We need to draw a line somewhere. If we let 3 people get married, why not 4? Why not 5? WHY NOT 30?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Also, guys, stop calling Joe biphobic and downvoting him. This is just some lighthearted trolling.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
0 points

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

- Leviticus 20:13

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

- Leviticus 18:22

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God for homosexuality.

-Genesis

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

-Romans 1:26

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

I have serious doubts that you are really a Christian and have a strong suspicion that you are really just a poe, but for now I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You keep posting the same verses over and over and down-voting everyone that disagrees with you, but when I challenge you on them you don't respond. So from now on every time you post those verses I will copy and paste this argument until I get a response.

Leviticus also says...

"Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death."

“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed."

“Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

“If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people."

Sorry but I don't take quotes from the Bible any more seriously than I take quotes from Harry Potter. The Bible is the last place we should be getting our morality from. The god described in the Bible is one of the most immoral beings man has ever dreamed up.

1. He says slavery is okay (Leviticus 25:44-46).

2. He says it's okay to beat your slaves as long as they survive the beating for a few days (Exodus 21:20-21).

3. He says selling your daughters as slaves and/or wives is okay (Exodus 21:7).

4. He tells his followers to make entire cities into slaves or kill them if they don't cooperate and keep the women as "plunder" (Deut 20:10-15)

5. He kills people for trying to be helpful (2 Samuel 6:3-7)

6. He and his followers go on massive killing sprees numerous times throughout the Bible, often killing children and animals. (1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 6:20-21, Judges 20:23-48, 2 Kings 19:35, Jeremiah 50:21-22, etc.)

This next passage shows just how depraved the Biblical god is. It's very long so I trimmed it some to keep it a reasonable length.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68 "Moses and the elders of Israel commanded the people... if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you: You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country... The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks... The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish... The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed. The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies... and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals... The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you. You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her... Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand... you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. The sights you see will drive you mad. The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head."

So to sum all that up, if we don't do exactly as he says he will make our lives a living hell and torture us until the day we die, and then after we die he will sentence us to eternal torment in hell. Does that sound like the actions of a kind and loving god to you? After reading all that do you really think we should get our morality from the Bible?

Side: True.