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I've always known that. Wait..., what? Really?
Debate Score:63
Arguments:64
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Most pro-choicers are selfish.

Pro-choice means that:

if you get pregnant

because you did not excersice your choice to use contraception,

you can have an abortion...

Even if the pregnancy is not due to

rape or incest and

even if the mother's life is not in danger.

Screw the fetus ;)

Oh,

And if the father wants the child...

well...

Screw him too ;)

Grandparents?

Really?

Screw them!!!

Adoption?

Screw it!

Screw it all,

screw everyone!

I've always known that.

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Wait..., what? Really?

Side Score: 26

With all that screwing going on..., it's no wonder someone got pregnant ;)

Side: I've always known that.
3 points

You have my support. At least you are man enough to stand up for life. Your wife is so lucky to have you. Muah. ;)

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1 point

I wish I was screwing. ;)

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If you become a carpenter you'll get to do a lot of screwing ;)

Side: I've always known that.

Here's a video representation of women who want the right to be able to tell the father,

1. "I don't care if you want the child, I'm getting an abortion." and also the right to tell him,

2. "I don't care if you do not want the baby, I'm having this baby and you're paying for it for the next 18 years."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcUxwpOQ_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcUxwpOQ_A
Side: I've always known that.
joecavalry(39792) Clarified
3 points

If that is NOT selfish, I do not know what is ;)

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joecavalry(39792) Clarified
2 points

Women should have it both ways ;)

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1 point

I agree. The only abortion I would support is if there is a risk of trauma to the mother and the baby is too young too survive.

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1 point

This is actually a very interesting way to put it, I always knew that and am really considering changing my views to anti-abortion after I learned that bill gates wants to use vaccines, abortion, Monsanto seeds and carbon taxes to lower CO2 output to "zero". He calculates something of about 900million would easily go this way and is even taking steps to make it a reality. Stated it on a TED talks presentation and I have been doing research on it for the last 3 months. So sickening it actually makes me want to throw up. Along with this the new gaming console Xbox One is to always be connected to the internet and the machine will not work if the Kennect camera is not firmly mounted and connected to the machine. The kennect itself is scary because it will be collecting data on our emotions, heart rate, and our game statistics among other things. I feel like big brother is putting cameras into all our homes while silently killing us like how Hitler killed thousands of unsuspecting people in the shower.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fce1267523066

(note: don't be fooled by Gates when he sounds like he'd be for the people. The entire presentation is about bringing CO2 levels to Zero. Humans exhale C02 and he is avid on getting the CO2 levels to 0. So every human has to die, every industry has to put out zero emissions, as well as every service.)

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That's good. I never really liked people anyway ;)

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It all depends on the situation for me really :/

Side: I've always known that.
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And pro-life is selfish enough to revoke ALL choice in the name of what THEY think is right for OTHER people that THEIR religion told them is right. Lets not forget that choice means they can choose to KEEP the child or give it up for adoption. Pro-lifers ALWAYS assume that the choice leads to abortion. No, they can still choose to not abort it...thats what choice means...

So instead of letting that woman choose to keep or abort, pro lifers are selfish enough to take one of those options away because THEY know what's right for HER.

Side: Wait..., what? Really?
ghostheadX(1104) Disputed
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People have been attempting to resolve this discussion for years. The truth is that no one KNOWS what the right answer is. Why? I'll tell you why. Because there are multiple possibilities but two main ones:

1. The mother's rights are more important.

2. The child's life is more important.

That's what everyone assumes. Now, as you've probably already heard, a lot of people argue that it's denying a woman their civil right to their body to force pro-life. Okay, so this is the way I see it. There are a ton of arguments you can provide. Maybe the mother knows what's right for HERSELF, but what if that baby was going to become president of the US or something and save the world from a nuclear explosion (opinion). What about the baby's rights? What if pro-lifers are right and the BABY'S life is more important? What then? I mean, letting a woman have abortion is like letting her play god of some other person's life who was never born. What I mean is that you don't know if the person you are aborting will deserve life or not. Hitler and many other serial killers were almost aborted. So were Langston Hughes and Steve Jobs.

Then again, you ALSO CAN'T say that the child's life WILL be more important than the mother's because maybe the mother will be a champion athlete and the baby will grow up to be a homeless person, or maybe the mother will be a business owner and the baby will grow up to be a middle class worker. What about a terrorist? Who knows? People always assume it's one way or the other but I think it isn't. I think it should be a category and not one law.

What I mean by one "category" is that I think abortion in general is too broad of a category to make one overruling law for every case. I think different women should be treated differently. I think the solution should consider both things. But I think that what YOUR saying is that it's all about what's right for the MOTHER. What I'm saying is what about THE CHILD? Also I think a few rules would solve NOT ALL cases, but a pretty general scale:

I would say you could abort your child IF:

You were raped

OR You are under 21 AND NOT in college. (Being either under 21 OR below college is enough.)

OR Somehow you DID NOT choose to have sex.

OR You DID NOT choose to have the baby when having sex

OR (and this should probably be tried) the abortion had to be approved by a local judge. That would probably solve the problem of a lot of the arguments that come from diverse situations right?

but couldn't abort your child IF:

YOU were the one who decided to have sex AND AGREED to have the baby. Learn to live with your own choices people.

Even then, I would have some laws about forcing adoption in some sort of instance because still, you don't know who the baby would become per-say they lived.

They instate and overturn abortion laws all of the time. I think that's because it's not a general rule you can make which is what YOUR ASSUMING. Here are some examples:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/19/nation/na-abortion19

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/ 2013/05/22/Appeals-Court-Overturns-Arizona-Law-Banning-Abortions-After-20-Weeks

http://www.pewforum.org/Abortion/A-History-of-Key-Abortion-Rulings-of-the-US-Supreme-Court.aspx

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortiontimeline.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/florida-abortion-law

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/04/a-heartbeat-and-abortion-in-north-dakota.html

I rest my case. This abortion thing has gone on forever. Like I said, everyone assumes either the woman has to keep the baby or she gets to abort it, which I think you'll agree on. No one ever thinks of the possibility of an individual abortion approval law right? Where in there articles does it talk about that. Try and find one on google. You'll probably find nothing.

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Elvira(3446) Disputed
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going to become president of the US or something and save the world from a nuclear explosion (opinion).

Or it could be a psychotic serial killer, the next fascist dictator...

then? I mean, letting a woman have abortion is like letting her play god of some other person's life who was never born. What I mean is that you don't know if the person you are aborting will deserve life

Your actions have infinite consequences on you and other people, what of it?

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lolzors93(3225) Disputed
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Well, if a woman is broke and makes the choice that stealing from her child is the only way to survive, then should she be allowed to do it?

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1 point

Pro lifers are religious nuts ignoring women rights .

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This isn't a religious debate nor is it a religious argument ;)

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Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Pro life is all about religion .

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1 point

It's selfish to expect a woman to carry a parasite in her body even if she doesn't want it, just because you do.

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Is it selfish for a woman to force a man to pay child support for 18 years even if he doesn't want it and she does ;)

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ghostheadX(1104) Disputed
2 points

It's MORE of a good solution to the child support thing to put the baby up for adoption, at least in my view.

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Gloria(135) Clarified
2 points

Of course. That's why there should be a law that if a man offers to pay for abortion and the woman refuses, he is not responsible for the child nor has any rights to it.

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Elvira(3446) Disputed
1 point

Out of these two options, which do you pick?

A) Paying about £5 a week for a high paying job for 18 years

B) Be tortured for half a day, pay many times that amount...

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1 point

Since when were you not proud of being selfish?

Side: Wait..., what? Really?
1 point

If someone is so stupid as to not use contraception when they don't want a child, they are idiots... but must be tortured, possibly to death for it?

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