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Debate Score:67
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Remember when Ronald Reagan was president...

During that period of time we also had Bob Hope and Johnny Cash...

Now we have Obama and no hope and no cash.

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George Bush, Queen Elizabeth, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell. While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth. Putin asks to call Russia and talks for 5 minutes. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a check.

Next Queen Elizabeth calls England and talks for 30 minutes. When she is finished the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so she writes him a check.

Finally George Bush gets his turn and talks for 4 hours. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is $5.00. When Putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why Bush got to call the USA so cheaply.

The devil smiles and replies: "Since Obama took over, the country has gone to hell, so it's a local call."

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A great time that was. What do we have now? Political correctness!

Damn! Do I miss Hope and Cash!

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What I like about Regan was his dedication to funding the military and the space program (two things I love dearly).

Now, I do believe that the space program is better off in the Private Sector (in these days, at least), but he helped in advancing military technology through space exploration. fuck yeah.

and, the whole cutting government spending in everything else, of course. Yeah, I have a problem with his drug policy, but I do for every other politician who is against drug legalization.

In all things considered, the fact that he was a president is already points off for him, since leaders suck usually. But he did do some good things. And really, that's all that matters.

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I remember back then, very foggy memories though. I hadn't heard of Johnny Cash (of of my favourite singers) or Bob Hope yet though.

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Oh my God! This is so true.... makes me want to travel back in time ;)

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gcomeau(536) Disputed
2 points

You know... I rather wish you could, just for the rude awakening you would get when reality clashed with your nostalgic fantasies.

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What are you kidding me? I would love it. I was partying and having a good old time, I was in great shape, I was young and thin and didn't have any gray hair.... I would love it ;)

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The policy Ronald Regan and Margreat Thatcher in England put up for the international financial system is the reason you have no money now.

Ronald Reagan was possibly the second worst president you have ever had

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You do realize that marijuana has not yet been legalized, right? ;)

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1 point

I tried hard... but I dont get what you are reafering to (no pun intended)

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wolfbite(432) Disputed
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The policy Ronald Regan and Margreat Thatcher in England put up for the international financial system is the reason you have no money now.

How so?

Ronald Reagan was possibly the second worst president you have ever had

Who is the worst?

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PungSviti(552) Disputed
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How so?

They started the trend towards deregulation that gave ground for the housing bubble and deregulated derivatives trading (two of the biggest reasons for our current reccession/deppression) - They where the politicians that started these things, albeit they had much ideological help from Milton Freidman, Alan Greenspan, Ayn Rand and Thomas Freidman.

Who is the worst?

The one that encouraged people who couldnt afford to to buy houses when the housing bubble was at its peak. The one that encouraged people to "go shopping" while they should have been saving. The one that cocked up reasons to go to war and then tried to have CIA agents killed who dared to object. The one who while pretending to be for "the free market" gave more subsidies to private company´s (including Enron) than any other president in history.

Now guess.

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Bleeding hearted liberals wanted everyone to own a house so Clinton and his crew started deregulating to make sure that everyone could buy a house even if they couldn't afford it. ;)

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Ronald Reagan was an actor, and he acted like the kind of president his corporate overlords wanted him to act like. See, the corporate overlords understand the right wing doesn't want a president, they want a father figure, so again the right wing was duped.

I'll never understand how in one breath a conservative can talk about how evil Hollywood is, then worship their idea of who they think Reagan was in the next. It's ridiculous.

Anyway if you forgot, Reagan was the first to triple the national debt, he did raise taxes, and he began us down the road of less oversite for his corporate overlords which is part of the problems we are having now.

And that wall would have been torn down at about that time no matter who was president. Pretty vain thinking it had anything to do with the US.

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We also had the Reagan adminstration illegally selling arms to Iran and funelling money to Nicaraguan contras... if you want to feel all nostalgic. If Reagan hadn't been showing early signs of alzheimers and a total inability to remember anything relevant when he was called to testify in front of the federal prosecutor after he left office we might have had the second ever case of a president having to pardon his predecessor to keep him out of prison.

Oh, and thank Reagan for financial de-regulation too. That worked out great.

And massive unnecessary budget deficits. He was great at producing those.

Yay Reagan!

please...

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Ronald Reagan's budget of $110 billion deficit is nowhere even close to Obama's budget deficit of $1.3 trillion. Obama is very skilled at producing massive deficits.

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gcomeau(536) Disputed
3 points

Hey...

Pssst...

Read this: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9958/ 01-08-Outlook_Testimony.pdf

Now tell me when that document was written, and what the budget deficit for 2009 is in that document.

Do you, or do you not, understand what that means? WHOSE budget deficit is that?

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Ah, Reagan - what did he do again:

1986 Amnesty

Tripled the debt

debt/GDP ratio increased every year from 32.8% in 1981 to 51% in 1989

Funded armed and trained terrorists who became Al Qaeda

Negotiated with our enemies (arms controls with the Soviets)

61,000 more federal workers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0301.green.html

""I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally." - Ronald Regan 1984

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I'm still ignoring you, you know ;)

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