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Yes. That is the evilest thing...
Debate Score:40
Arguments:51
Total Votes:40
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Should people use the internet to try and convert people to their religion?

Yes.

Side Score: 25
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That is the evilest thing...

Side Score: 15

Knock, knock ;)

Side: Yes.

Sure, I don't see why you can't. It would be like a typical advertisement on the side of a website.

Side: Yes.
Jace(5161) Clarified
1 point

The question is not whether people can proselytize using the internet, but whether they should do so.

Side: Yes.

I got that. I would still say yes. Probably shouldn't have used the word "can't".

Side: Yes.
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Side: Yes.
1 point

Sure, why not. But not radicalize them. That would be bad!

Side: Yes.

Knock, knock ;)

Side: Yes.

What kind of a question is this? Atheists, Liberals, constantly use any medium to try & convert people to their politically correct new age humanist cult. Why should they be allowed to do so but other groups can not? I realize that hypocrite Liberals want free speech to only apply to them.

Side: Yes.

Knock, knock ;)

Side: Yes.
1 point

So do you want me to provide evidence of non-liberal ideologies doing the same thing?

Or are they bad because they are liberals?

And you really like to call people hypocrites when it doesn't make sense.

Side: That is the evilest thing...
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

I'm not trying to say Liberals are the ONLY ones supporting some stupid law. I'm saying the majority of those pushing the controlling legislation are of the Liberal persuasion. When I say Liberal, I am speaking to those on the Left pushing so called Progressive agendas. It amazes me how few people want to admit they are Liberal. I guess that speaks to how controlling most of their agendas are.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes, I mean you can type things you would normally say to get someone to convert to your religion, as long as you're not harassing them.

Side: Yes.

Knock, knock ;)

Side: Yes.
Sportyfun1(84) Clarified
1 point

sigh Who's there? And this had to be 50 characters so I'm writing this right now.

Side: Yes.
2 points

Religion is responsible for more death and misery than any other force in humanity. Even the "good" religious people are damaging society by being links in the chain that connect the archaic torture manuals to future generations, ensuring that there will ALWAYS be a Fred Phelps and Osama Bin Laden to read from the same book you do.

Side: That is the evilest thing...
3 points

"Religion is responsible for more death and misery than any other force in humanity."

Commonly said, but false. Authoritarianism alone, via Stalin and Mao, would beat it out. As would Chinese revolutions, which make up multiple of the top casualty wars in world history. Geo-political struggles would also beat out religious wars.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Religion is responsible for more death and misery than any other force in humanity.

That isn't true at all. According to this website non-religious deaths still have more deaths.

Even the "good" religious people are damaging society by being links in the chain that connect the archaic torture manuals to future generations, ensuring that there will ALWAYS be a Fred Phelps and Osama Bin Laden to read from the same book you do.

I don't even see why you posted this. What would you define as a "good" religious person?

Side: Yes.
animedude639(1576) Clarified
1 point

Just a curious question when you say "non-religious deaths" are you saying there have been more deaths from causes that were not religious motivated or are you saying that more deaths are caused by people who are not religious at all?

Side: Yes.
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

Religion is responsible for more death and misery than any other force in humanity

While I'm not a promoter of any religion by any means, I see stuff like this tossed around a lot. I disagree. I'll agree that religion has been blamed for and used to rationalize more death and misery than any other force in humanity, but I question the assertion that there would be less misery and death in mankinds history should no religions have ever formed- I rather believe we'd just have found another thing to blame our shortcomings on, another thing to rationalize the atrocities we commit.

Side: Yes.
Harvard(666) Clarified
1 point

If you think about it, plenty of death consuming battles were strictly based from religion alone. I would say race, control, and area acquisition would be just as deadly.

Side: Yes.
1 point

I agree with you there, it makes much more sense for people to rationalize their bad decisions in the name of God then it does that the religion itself caused it. Although, some things in some religions are awful.

Side: Yes.
Explorer(187) Disputed
1 point

Religion is responsible for more death and misery than any other force in humanity. Even the "good" religious people are damaging society by being links in the chain that connect the archaic torture manuals to future generations, ensuring that there will ALWAYS be a Fred Phelps and Osama Bin Laden to read from the same book you do.

No, people just simply use religion as an excuse for their actions. Bad people will always exist regardless of religion. People such as Joseph Stalin and more have all been Atheist. Saying that religion makes you evil is simply scapegoating. Have you forgot people such as Malala Yousafzai, Mother Teresa, and more. Have you forgotten scientific figures such as Georges Lemaître, Theodosius Dobzhansky, and John Eccles? Don't you think it is possible that people use religion as an excuse for bad behavior?

Side: Yes.
2 points

This will probably never be seen, but...

Religion is a personal, intimate journey. Key word: personal.

Not everybody it gonna have the same beliefs as you and that's because it's a PERSONAL THING. It's your choice to choose what you believe. And it can be very hurtful when you have people trying to tell you that what you believe in and what you've always believed in is wrong. Let's say you're family is Italian. And you follow Italian tradition; pasta EVERY Sunday. You carry the tradition to your adult years. It's a fragment of your childhood, of your mother with the recipe. And then someone comes over and to eat and tells you "what you're doing is wrong. You should do it this way" and totally screws up the dinner that you prepared. It would really really hurt you, or make you angry. So why is it okay to convince people that the thing they put their faith in is wrong? Oh yeah, it's not. Facebook isn't for bible verses, Tumblr isn't for prayer quotes, Youtube isn't for videos on why other religions are wrong. So absolutely no. People should NOT use the internet to shame others for what they believe.

Side: That is the evilest thing...

I saw it. I mean, I didn't read it, but I saw it ;)

Side: That is the evilest thing...
1 point

No.

First of all, religion is not some kind of business, which needs and should do promotion and hunting of prospect clients(followers). All religions lay foundation of good principles for individuals to implement them in their life. Different religions are like different routes to one common destination. So the destination beauty should be endorsed and not the benefits or beauty of any particular routes.

Secondly, any religion's principles and believes should influence people, not some followers going on prospective followers hunt through various mediums and offering deals.. if an individual is experiencing inwards thoughts evolution, he/she will himself look for sources around to experience the eternal bliss.

now, reaching the needy souls and offering the peace they are looking for is definitely a good idea and that's the ultimate goal of evry religion. but actually marketing it on web, can do two harms. first, it distracts people undergoing this self evolution, as the most lucrable option flashing frequently and fancily in front of their eyes, can kill the possibility of their exploring various options themselves. second is far more worst. it can malign the image of the religion in mind of actually prospective as well as sensitive followers and also it can bring notorious fame for a religion, as one trying to openly convert people.

Side: That is the evilest thing...
1 point

First of all, religion is not some kind of business, which needs and should do promotion and hunting of prospect clients(followers). All religions lay foundation of good principles for individuals to implement them in their life. Different religions are like different routes to one common destination. So the destination beauty should be endorsed and not the benefits or beauty of any particular routes.

The purpose of an advertisement is to simply gain attraction right? Then why can't religion do the same? If a non profit organization can promote themselves on a website I feel as if a religion can do the same. It's up to the user to either click the ad or just ignore it.

Secondly, any religion's principles and believes should influence people, not some followers going on prospective followers hunt through various mediums and offering deals.. if an individual is experiencing inwards thoughts evolution, he/she will himself look for sources around to experience the eternal bliss.

Some religion command its adherents to spread it word. Advertising over the internet would seem like a good way to do so. Of course principles and belief systems should be able to persuade people too, but wouldn't you spread news of something you believe is good to you?

it distracts people undergoing this self evolution, as the most lucrable option flashing frequently and fancily in front of their eyes, can kill the possibility of their exploring various options themselves.

Sure, but the same could be said about any company advertising.

it can malign the image of the religion in mind of actually prospective as well as sensitive followers and also it can bring notorious fame for a religion, as one trying to openly convert people.

I don't see what's wrong with that.

Side: Yes.

Knock, knock ;)

Side: Yes.
AmritaKJ(93) Clarified
1 point

If a non profit organization can promote themselves on a website I feel as if a religion can do the same.

yes i agree NGO's promote because they need more hand to join and spread their good cause. does religion need people..no. people need religion for better life and diverse purposes. when you are promoting religion, you are selling faith, isnt that unnecessary?

wouldn't you spread news of something you believe is good to you?

yes, definitely. ..but this news is usually experience people get in whichever channel they are in, so it should be spread through word of mouth and sharing vibes, maybe through talk gatherings, sharing experiences and passing on the positivity to people around you, to influence them in good way and get inspired by your way of life, which is your religion! also i think, opting for a religion is not a impulsive decision, its a gradual change in thought process and beliefs. so as such i dont think it would even make any impact on mettle minds, instead will only attract unstable shallow heads.

Also going online and promoting it, for me its like religion becoming too ambitious ;-). technology is amazing, yes, but using it for religion calling, for me its too commercial.

Sure, but the same could be said about any company advertising.

yeah thats my point.

there are all sort of dumbheads seeking their personal interests in every opportunity available. when religion tries to reach people, it reaches all. when the path is reversed, only the needy will reach and take up a religion if he is inspired and touched.

so you dont want to spoil your brand name by selling it to some idiots.

I don't see what's wrong with that.

well, whats wrong in other religions? why does any religion need to convert people in their's? doesnt it give a message of religion superiority? no religion is superior or inferior..people are. and these people start thinking about their everything as superierest ....so the real purpose of the religion is killed then and there itself when people start playing the religion card against each other. arent sentiments of other religion populace hurt? and this can malign the image.

Side: Yes.
1 point

No. People can be whatever religion they want to be but they shouldn't try to convert others. Sure, people can voice their opinions and that's all well and good but when they start shoving their religion down other people's throats and telling them that they will go to hell if they don't believe in this or that, then it just isn't right. From what I've seen in the news etc. it seems that religion is causing more harm than good in modern society and more and more violence and hate crimes are happening each day. If only people could just stick to their own religion and be accepting of other people's religions too instead of making into some huge competition to try and prove that their religion is right, then the world would be a much more peaceful place.

There is already enough crap on the internet making people believe that they are somehow living their life wrong. People don't this on top of all the other advertisements etc.

Side: That is the evilest thing...