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True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:31
Arguments:24
Total Votes:32
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The more you think about sexual orientation, the more you realize that...

... Government should only focus on

protecting our borders

and

improving the economy.

True.

Side Score: 15
VS.

Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 16
2 points

Sure. They should just get rid of marriage benefits as well, so they won't have control over who gets the benefits, then homosexuals can get married if they want to and stop fricken complaining.

Side: True.
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
2 points

This would be great, but it would never pass. There are far too many people who are already married and enjoying the benefits, and far too many people who want to marry eventually and enjoy the benefits for this to fly. Roughly 50% of the US population over 18 are married. Of the other 50%, notable portions are widowed- these can generally expected to be in support of marriage and its accompanying benefits. Notable portions are divorced, which would likely be a mix of those jaded with the idea of marriage and those who support marriage so long as it is not with their former spouse. And then there is the crowd which has never married- a significant portion of these still plan to marry eventually and support its institution and benefits.

I don't have figures for the percentage of individuals who would be in favor of abolishing government recognition of marriage and its accompanying benefits, but if I had to guess I'd say no more than 20%. Even with an ideal distribution in voting districts, that's not enough for the legislation to fly.

Incidentally, marriage is also good for the economy...

Side: True.

Maybe it is not feasible. But think of it this way. Before there were ANY marriage benefits, people made do without and they survived just fine.

What you are saying is that people have become dependent on those benefits and that now they feel they are ENTITLED to those benefits. This means that ANY benefits offered by the government will eventually become, in the eyes of the recipients, an entitlement. This does not bode well for the government because if they can't take away those entitlements, then our economy is in jeopardy because as more and more benefits are granted, a greater and greater demand is made on the economy. Eventually, if/when it reaches a breaking point, we will be hard pressed to end those benefits. The (worse case scenario) end result is either the economy collapses under its own weight or the people revolt. ;)

Side: True.
2 points

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

- Leviticus 20:13

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

- Leviticus 18:22

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God for homosexuality.

-Genesis

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

-Romans 1:26

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
hannah165(520) Disputed
2 points

What does that have to do with the topic we're debating?

Side: True.
adwedw(107) Disputed
1 point

The bible says the government can be in it so it should be in it to prevent moral decay

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

I have serious doubts that you are really a Christian and have a strong suspicion that you are really just a poe, but for now I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You keep posting the same verses over and over and down-voting everyone that disagrees with you, but when I challenge you on them you don't respond. So from now on every time you post those verses I will copy and paste this argument until I get a response.

Leviticus also says...

"Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death."

“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed."

“Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

“If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people."

Sorry but I don't take quotes from the Bible any more seriously than I take quotes from Harry Potter. The Bible is the last place we should be getting our morality from. The god described in the Bible is one of the most immoral beings man has ever dreamed up.

1. He says slavery is okay (Leviticus 25:44-46).

2. He says it's okay to beat your slaves as long as they survive the beating for a few days (Exodus 21:20-21).

3. He says selling your daughters as slaves and/or wives is okay (Exodus 21:7).

4. He tells his followers to make entire cities into slaves or kill them if they don't cooperate and keep the women as "plunder" (Deut 20:10-15)

5. He kills people for trying to be helpful (2 Samuel 6:3-7)

6. He and his followers go on massive killing sprees numerous times throughout the Bible, often killing children and animals. (1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 6:20-21, Judges 20:23-48, 2 Kings 19:35, Jeremiah 50:21-22, etc.)

This next passage shows just how depraved the Biblical god is. It's very long so I trimmed it some to keep it a reasonable length.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68 "Moses and the elders of Israel commanded the people... if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you: You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country... The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks... The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish... The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed. The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies... and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals... The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you. You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her... Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand... you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. The sights you see will drive you mad. The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head."

So to sum all that up, if we don't do exactly as he says he will make our lives a living hell and torture us until the day we die, and then after we die he will sentence us to eternal torment in hell. Does that sound like the actions of a kind and loving god to you? After reading all that do you really think we should get our morality from the Bible?

Side: True.
1 point

Two can play that game parenthesis added by me: 2 Samuel 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love (ahab) to me was wonderful, passing the love (ahab) of women. 1 Samuel 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit (qashar) with the soul (nephesh) of David, and Jonathan loved (ahab) him as his own soul. 1 Samuel 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved (ahab) him as his own soul )nephesh). 1 Samuel 18:21 And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain (for the second time, but he had not married any of Saul's daughters yet, so this means that he married Jonathan). 1 Samuel 20:30 30 Then Saul"s anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother"s nakedness (in the Biblical times, references to nakedness often symbolized sexuality or something sexual)? 1 Samuel 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another (sounds romantic to me), and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 1 Samuel 20:42 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city (this goes with the previous verse). Matthew 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother"s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven"s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (the next set of Scriptures will elaborate on why the word eunuch sometimes refered to gays). Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant (this includes marriage); 5 even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters (if women can be eunuchs, that shatters the theory that only castrated males can, meaning that gays can be eunuchs): I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Luke 17:34 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed (self explanatory); the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 1 Corinthians 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn (self explanatory).

Side: True.
Jungelson(3954) Disputed
1 point

What I love is your dedication to peddling the same bullshit from the same book, day in day out. How about doing something intellectual, liking coming up with your won arguments instead quoting that outdated book all the time...

Side: True.

Coming from the person who makes so many pointless debates regarding sexual orientation.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

That's All Fine And Dandy Until Gays Start Getting Discriminated Against When They Come Out Of The Closet And There Is No One To Help Protect Them.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

Yes. The government should protect its citizens from being killed. As far as discrimination, people can organize and take care of their own. ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

That's funny coming from the side that says that there are way less gay people than the liberal media would have you believe. How are they supposed to organize together if there is not a lot of them?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!