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Debate Score:26
Arguments:27
Total Votes:26
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The problem with scientific truths is the fact that many are false.


Hey,
I didn't write the article,
so if you don't like it,
take it up with the author.

True.

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BTW, I also didn't read it. My job here is to stir the pot. It is not to fact check ;)

Side: True.
1 point

The problem with scientific truths is the fact that many a Democrat accept a truth that is false. Just in their DNA to embrace a falsity that they are told is the truth.

Side: True.
DS0330(267) Disputed
1 point

There are no false truths. That is pretty obvious. Also, why do you always have to bring left-wing politics into debates, even if they have nothing to do with it?

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luckin(176) Clarified
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There are no false truths. That is pretty obvious.

Except that something can't be both true and not true at the same time. Unless I misunderstood what you were trying to say. In which case, what do you mean by that?

Side: True.
1 point

Man's scientific truths are always incorrect (not God's). It's not to say that it can't be trusted, only that you have to leave room for human error. How many times have we heard scientists flip flop from decade to decade? They say something is true 10 years ago only to disprove it and say another thing today. In 10 years from now, again, scientists will disprove themselves as new discoveries are made again. So, please, don't look at science or human beings as being flawless, inerrant, and godly. We have and will always make a lot of errors and mistakes, no matter how advanced you think we are.

Side: True.
1 point

I always considered science a form of religion ;)

Side: True.
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Man's scientific truths are always incorrect (not God's).

Really?

OK...here is one scientific proof for you to disprove:

There is a force that is exerted by all objects which posses mass. This force is called gravity.

The Earth posseses gravity. Therefore, if you jump off of a 40-story building, this force will kill you.

Prove it wrong.

Until such time as you do that, and while you're at it, also prove that the Earth does not orbit the Sun every 365 days (yet another scientific proof)...we will all assume you really have no fucking clue as to what you are talking about.

I'll be waiting for your dis-proof of both of those truths. I also can furnish you with hundreds of others if you wish.

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It is not the force of gravity that kills you when you jump off a 40 foot building. it is the sudden stop. ;)

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I didn't read it either because it's an oxymoron.

The title is a self confessed contradiction in terms, so why bother to read it?

A truth, scientific or otherwise, is a truth and cannot by definition be a falsehood.

An alleged truth or a perceived truth is not a truth, and that's the truth.

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OK Betty, so you're probably gonna get pissed at me for busting-up your debate claim here, as I have done in the past a few times. But as the resident science geek, I am compelled to point-out a couple major errors in your header, after reading your link.

First, off, here is an exerpt from the link............

In 2005, John Ioannidis, a professor of medicine at Stanford University, published a paper, “Why most published research findings are false,” mathematically showing that a huge number of published papers must be incorrect. He also looked at a number of well-regarded medical research findings, and found that, of 34 that had been retested, 41% had been contradicted or found to be significantly exaggerated.

Since then, researchers in several scientific areas have consistently struggled to reproduce major results of prominent studies. By some estimates, at least 51%—and as much as 89%—of published papers are based on studies and experiments showing results that cannot be reproduced.

OK....the bolding is mine, so as to better illustrate the points I will now make.

1--In your header you said many "scientific truths" are false. This is NOT what the article claimed. It said, rather, "research findings." There IS a difference! A scientific FACT is just that: a fact. Ergo a fact cannot be false.

2--The subject of the flawed (not necessarily proven-to-be-false) findings were of the medical field. NOT ALL OF SCIENCE. Medical is simply one of dozens of fields or sub-categories of the umbrella of science.

3--The article also just claimed that a good portion of those findings "could not be reproduced." This, again, does not necessarily deem those finding to be false. It simply means they were not replicated and thus confirmed as being true.

In closing, I am going to have to relegate your debate header here to the category of "very misleading and inaccurate." Sorry, but that's how we roll in science when we examine data and evidence (as provided in your link) and then weigh those against a specific claim.

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I know the title was very misleading and inacurate. That's how we roll here on Create Debate ;)

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I actually had to give you a point for admitting that, since you made me smile.

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Scientific truths can not be false. That is impossible. By definition, they are true.

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Unless, of course, they are false ;)

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Winklepicker(1020) Clarified
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Spot the paradox. ''There is no such thing as an absolute truth''.

If that were so then the statement itself would be an absolute truth and therefore self contradictory.

Side: True.
DS0330(267) Clarified
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Unless, of course, they are false ;)

Then they wouldn't be scientific truths.

Side: True.