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True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:67
Arguments:53
Total Votes:72
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There is no such thing as Pro-Choice. There is ONLY Pro-Abortion.

Pro-Choice is a misnomer.

People want to use the term,

"Pro-Choice"

to refer to:

1.  A woman (not a man) having a choice.

2.  The only choice is whether or not to have an abortion (there are no other choices are available).

True.

Side Score: 18
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Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 49

Pro-Choice is a sexist concept. It only applies to women.

Pro-Choice doesn't give you much of a choice.

Sugar coating it doesn't change the fact that the sexist term, "Pro-Choice" should be abolished and it should be replaced with what it really is, "Pro-Abortion." ;)

Side: True.
2 points

You have it exactly right!

If a person wants to see voluntary abortions criminalized, they are anti abortion.

Anyone who opposes that effort is taking the pro abortion side of the debate.

Side: True.
Quocalimar(6469) Clarified
1 point

What you've done here is taken a side, and labeled it. You labeled your side anti-abortion. Then everyone not on your side was forced into a category of your choosing, the category you chose was pro-abortion. Look at it this way, "those are not good, must be evil" that is what you've done. Not calling abortion good or evil, just using an analogy. The problem with saying anyone not good is evil, is that it either makes neutral people evil, or it leaves them out. Well you chose not to leave the people that are for the woman's choice out, instead you lumped them into the category of pro-abortion.

This does not work logically because that then leaves the opposition to do what you did. Take a side, label it, then lump anyone not on their side into the other side. The side in opposition to the anti-abortion people named their side pro-choice. They then labeled everyone not pro-choice, pro-life. Yet you disagree to being pro-life, so something has gone wrong. Either you've been left out, or you've been lumped into a wrong category.

When we step back from the whole thing we realize there were not only two groups, there was a minimum of four.

The anti-abortion people. (let's say they were first) then there was the pro-abortion people. Then from them sprung people who had specific ties to the rights of the women and they were named the pro-life people. and the pro-choice people.

Do you now see?

Side: True.
AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
1 point

Pro-Choice is a view point saying it could go either way. Pro-Abortion or Pro-life are one-sided viewpoints, having Pro-choice lets people have 'middle-ground'. Even many 'pro-life' people have switched to 'pro-choice' after happenings like 'rape'.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

By opposing people who are trying to ban abortion, you are making a pro-abortion statement with your actions.... even if you deny it with your words.

Side: True.
1 point

Pro-Choice is a sexist concept. It only applies to women.

Pro-Choice doesn't give you much of a choice.

It sounds like what you're saying is that anything that has to do with only one gender, is sexist. If not, please clarify.

Pro choice does give you a choice. You can either continue the pregnancy, or seek an abortion.

The pro life argument eliminates abortion and mandates that you continue the pregnancy (barring rape, etc).

If you're joking, then ignore this.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

Pro-Lifers are conservative/republicans that give you many gender neutral choices.

1. You can choose to smoke (regardless of gender).

2. You can choose to drink soda (regardless of gender).

3. You can own a gun (regardless of gender).

4. You can choose an incandescent bulb (regardless of gender).

5. You can choose low-cost coal (regardless of gender).

6. You can choose to honor God (regardless of gender).

Pro-Choicers are liberal/democrats that give you only one sexist choice.

1. You can choose to have an abortion (but only if you're a woman).

Wait..., since I did not ignore your argument..., does that mean I'm not joking ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

Pro choice is offering the woman a choice, pro-abortion is giving her one choice.

As is the case with religion, it's not that agnostics don't know anything, it's that they don't know anything about God.

So as is the case about abortion, pro-choicers are for the choice of women to have abortions or to not have abortions.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

He is saying it doesn't give the father the choice to have the baby, so it is sexist because only the woman has a choice

Side: True.
Elvira(3446) Clarified
2 points

Since when is it anything to do with the father? Do they get pregnant and give birth?

Side: True.
AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
1 point

Pro-choice is a viewpoint, it doesn't matter if they have a baby inside them or not. The view is "It's up to the woman to decide what she want's to do with the baby" Or more accuretly "In some cases, depending on the situation, I think it's okay to have abortions"

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Quocalimar(6469) Disputed
1 point

I even explained in my argument pro-choice is advocating for the woman's choice, not any men sorry.

Men don't have to carry it, men don't have to let it feed of of them, they just provide half of the dna, a half that in a normal case they probably waste at least once a day, but that last bit is beside the point.

It's her body, I am for her choice to control what to do with it, not for any laws on abortion.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Pro-abortion is practically like saying "I want to kill children before they're born!" Most people that get abortions are accept people getting abortions would call themselves pro-choice, since that's more like saying "Depending on the situation, it's okay to abbort your child."

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

A play on words doesn't do anything but obfuscate the real issue. Fear of killing living things. Well, only human things.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!