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Sure, why not? Oh, hell no!!!
Debate Score:72
Arguments:94
Total Votes:75
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We should accept the LGBTQ community - I mean - what's the worse that could happen?


Sure, why not?

Side Score: 40
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Oh, hell no!!!

Side Score: 32

As to the LG part, that should probably soon go extinct if it is something genetic.

The same is possible for the entire community, though, but perhaps not so probable.

Sounds like a win-win scenario.

But sadly, the homophobic fundamentalists are also those people who don't understand natural selection. Ideally, they would have been the first ones to go extinct.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

There must be an evolutionary reason for their persistant lives ;)

Side: Sure, why not?

Yes, they were forced against their natural instincts. The things I said in the last line.

Side: Sure, why not?

Yes, they were forced against their natural instincts. The things I said in the last line.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

I see myself as having a bit of a unique perspective when it comes to LGBTQ.

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First, for a community that wants acceptance and to be seen as anyone else, stop with the incessant labeling; and if you feel you need a label, BTQ should be sufficient.

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Second, I'm still undecided when it comes to transgender. For years homosexuals have argued it's natural, it's not a choice and they were born this way. Well, with regards to gender, you are born male or female and to identify as another is a choice you are making. I do accept them, however as a parent I'm not sure how I feel about the locker room issue that has been in the media as of late. On the one hand you have parents concerned with their daughter viewing a penis or their son viewing a vagina. On the other - something I haven't really seen mentioned in the media - is the parent of the transgender child having to deal with possible ridicule and/or threats to the child. Again, I'm undecided on the matter.

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I support the community simply because there is nothing wrong with it, and also because it doesn't affect me. If two women want to get married, fine, why shouldn't they? If two men kiss in a movie, fine. Again it has no impact on my life. Should a boy who identifies as a girl be allowed in a girl's locker room? I'm not so sure. What's to stop a boy from dressing up as a girl one day and just walking in? I understand there's nothing to stop him now, but at least it can be argued he doesn't belong there. If it becomes allowed all he has to do is argue that's how he identifies and nothing can then be done about it.

Side: Sure, why not?
jeffreyone(1378) Disputed
1 point

I support the community simply because there is nothing wrong with it, and also because it doesn't affect me.

Ignorant and selfish.

I will have a heart attack if i see you in heaven like this.

Side: Oh, hell no!!!
sylynn(626) Disputed
2 points

Ignorant and selfish

It's actually the religious who are ignorant on the subject. Discriminating against a group of people because they're not the same as you is terrible for humanity and it's simply hateful. I'd be curious why your god teaches you to hate something he created (granted this same god is responsible for mass genocide and condones slavery). And selfish? How is being accepting of someone else selfish? Do you even understand the words you're using?

I will have a heart attack if i see you in heaven like this.

Are you suggesting you can have a heart attack in heaven? Doesn't sound like a perfect place. If you simply mean you'd be surprised, I'd be even more surprised given there's no reason to believe such a place exists.

Side: Sure, why not?
sylynn(626) Clarified
1 point

I want to clarify my position when it comes to transgenders. If someone is going through the process of transitioning to another gender, I believe they should have the right to use the restroom they transitioning to. Those however, who simply "identify" as a different gender, but are remaining their born gender should continue to use the restroom for the gender they were born as.

Why?

If, for example, a woman is transitioning to be a man, there is a point in which - other than what's between the legs - she no longer resembles a woman. If someone who appears to be a man enters the women's room, could that not be seen as a threat? I'm not simply talking about someone who wants to dress up in drag, but someone going through the medical process to transition. To simply argue that if you have a penis you use the men's room and a vagina likewise the women's isn't valid as there's no way to even know what's "down there".

Side: Sure, why not?

First, for a community that wants acceptance and to be seen as anyone else, stop with the incessant labeling; and if you feel you need a label, BTQ should be sufficient.

I assumed labeling was natural. I thought everything was practically labeled. Otherwise nothing has a name or title.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

What's the worst that could go wrong?!?!?! dramatic gasp

Cats marrying dogs. Fish flying with the birds. TOTAL CHAOS!!!

And end scene.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

That was a hillarious clip.

Regardless, in a free society with Constitutional civil rights we all just need to learn to coexist. If you're secure in who you think you are then you should not feel threatened by others who feel differently.

Side: Sure, why not?
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Sure , Lgbt has a right to live, they are still a human being has a right to live in a country we can't just kick them out, lgbt don't discriminate straight people. If we accept them it's normal we're just going to accept them as an individual even we just disprove their actions, they should be accepted. Love be like 💖

Side: Sure, why not?
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I do not think we should be furthering the agenda of a community full of mental disturbed and confused individuals who believe that sex or gender are malleable. Instead of appeasing to them to preserve their feelings we should help them seek medical attention. What we are doing now is similar to having your grandfather tell you his lamp is talking to him and then saying "you know what grandpa, you are right the lamp is talking to you."

Side: Oh, hell no!!!
2 points

Wait until your parents develop dementia. Agreeing with them is the path of less resistance. Especially since correcting them will do no good because they will forget in a few minutes ;)

Side: Oh, hell no!!!

Well then picture this LGBTQ fans. You go thru the dating process and finally meet a women that you

are madly in love with. Like most couple you discuss, life together, children and such then later when she can't get pregnant, you discover she was born a man and dint tell you ....

So where do your rights begin and end ?

Side: Oh, hell no!!!
2 points

That is a question best answered by a Texan judge and you death penalty seeking lawyer ;)

Side: Oh, hell no!!!
camiheall(18) Disputed
1 point

Does that not say more about the character of that one person than it does the community as a whole? If someone you're going to be romantically involved with is trans, you should have the right to know before things get serious. But regardless, how does that have anything to do with LGBT people being accepted or being treated equally? There's assholes in every group, and you shouldn't judge based on that.

Side: Sure, why not?

Jolie i will have a heart attack if i see you in heaven.(Even though i will be a spirit)

Side: Oh, hell no!!!
1 point

I will probably be sitting. I have made a deal with many people that whoever goes first will save a seat for the other. I made this deal with my daughter and she asked me how I know there will be seats. I told her that I have no intention of standing for all eternity. I made this deal with my grandma months before she died but she had dementia so I don't know if she'll remember to save me a seat. I'll even extend this offer to you. Deal? ;)

Side: Oh, hell no!!!
jeffreyone(1378) Disputed
1 point

you help gays have an eternal stand in the disco of hell and you want a seat in heaven

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

Don't worry about such little stuff about heart attacks in heaven. I wouldn't have one, even if I see you sitting on the back of Christus. My heart is strong.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

The worse that could happen? Well, according to LGBTQ rights groups, homosexuality is a "natural" thing. Although no study backs up any major "difference" in the brain of a homosexual person in comparison to, say, a heterosexual, homosexuals do tend to have a deep hormonal imbalance. Now, that in itself proves that Mother Nature went "wrong" somewhere. Not criticizing- all of us are born different. However, if you decide to defend the LGBTQ community view of homosexuality- it's natural, it cannot be helped, etc., you're going down a very slippery slope.

If someone is born a homosexual, if it cannot be helped, then neither can other sexually deviant preferences. Next step up is that pedophiles or zoophiles cannot control their own preferences. After all, it runs on the same logic- the only difference is that Western society views homosexuality as acceptable and pedophilia as (very rightly so) unacceptable. A contrario, other societies in the world think the contrary- in many countries of the Middle East, homosexuality is a crime punishable in many ways including death, but marriage to "child brides" where the marriage may be consummated as soon as the girl hits menstruation (which in some cases can be as young as 9) is deemed perfectly acceptable and, in fact, child brides are intensely sought after in all layers of society.

So what would be the next step, according to the LGBTQ lobby views? Pedophilia? Zoophilia? Necrophilia? All imaginable kinds of -philia that according to them "cannot be helped"? And if you think I'm exaggerating, several hard-left news outlets are already condoning pedophilia such as Salon, who interviewed and set up a tearful defense of this disgusting man: https://notamonsterblog.wordpress.com/

Secondly, about transgenderism, once again, transgenders suffer from hormonal imbalance; this time the sufferers lack testosterone (men) or estrogen (women) and as such, do not develop according to their birth sex; add to that the environment, that glorifies transgenderism through lobby pressure on society, and the sufferer is all the more likely to change sex. These people do not need to go under the knife; they have convinced themselves that they're living a falsehood by being born with the wrong genital area, when an early diagnosis and intake of hormones could easily correct the imbalance. The worse that could happen here is of course the absolute tragedy that a transgender could realize that he or she or it made the wrong decision, influenced by lobbies and ads, and has made an irreversible mistake; another fatality is of when this issue is forced upon children, as for example in this case: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3863880/Christian-parents-girl-14-wants-change-gender-forced-legal-action-against-local-council-backs-efforts-against-wishes.html

Or here: https://4thwavenow.com/2015/12/04/parents-keep-listening-to-your-gut-not-the-gender-therapist/

Or here: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/11/transgender-mans-child-hurt-will-hurt-kids/

It goes on and on and on, really. The question is where to draw the line; if you open a box where ten mice are trapped and let one out, the others are going to want to follow. Before all the lobbying nonsense, kids were raised by mother and father and, despite what the LGBTQ community would have people these days believe, people were fine. People did not "live in another's body". People did not have thirty-three genders each. People were fine leading their lives the natural way. And guess what? They. Were. Fine. The question often arises here in Europe, why do so many people now convert to Islam, some of whom join ISIS? Look at the radically opposite values of the two groups. While Anglican churches are busy wondering if transgenders can become priests, Islam has remained true to its original values- family, warfare, etc. I'm no admirer of Islam myself but I can understand the appeal- between a society where wo-men, catkin, non binary, recycled hedgehog bladders, reincarnated soup bowls, morphing weirdosexuals are a strong enough lobby to obtain that full grown men in skirts can use bathrooms alongside with little girls, and a society where mother/father/kids are the only acceptable family unit as has been the case since as far as humanity can remember, it's not a surprise.

Side: Oh, hell no!!!