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Debate Score:49
Arguments:50
Total Votes:50
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Why should we put up with God's bullshit?

The world is full of conflict.  Religion teaches us that we have to suck it up until the second coming when God will throw the wicked into the lake of fire (or something like that) and the meek will inherit the earth. 

One of God's commandment is "thou shall not kill."  But He had David running around killing his enemies.  He condoned it.  And He himself wiped out everything with His 40 days and 40 nights of rain crap.  So life isn't as precious as He would have us believe.

So, instead of waiting for the second coming, I say we nuke the bastards causing all the problems and stirring the pot as it were.  We then declare ourselves to be the meek and lay claim to the planet.  Then, if and when He comes, we can just tell Him that we took care of it all ourselves and that we no longer need His services and that He can just fuck off and leave us the hell alone.

True.

Side Score: 20
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Side Score: 29
1 point

If you agree with this then you should start the ball rolling. We got your back. We'll be right behind you ;)

Side: True.
jolie(9804) Clarified
1 point

We should probably start with the liberals. All their protesting is starting to make my rush hour commute very hellish every time they decide to block the roads in protest. We may not be able to nuke them because of the radioactive fallout but we nay be able to plow them down with our cars. We can call it, bowling for libs ;)

Side: True.
1 point

Why do people call Trump a hater? He's not a hater. Next thing you know people will start calling me a hater. ME!!! And I am one of the most inclusive people I know. Hell, I cannot be any more inclusive until we get rid of the libs ;)

Side: True.
Swashbuckler(62) Disputed
1 point

If you are an atheist, then you can't logically have any problem with 'liberals', as liberals who engage in acts of violence are simply practicing atheism and letting themselves be governed by their primal and barbaric impulses like any other animal, so they are your kind who logically you should embrace.

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1 point

Are you saying that all atheisrs are liberals ;)

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seanB(951) Disputed
1 point

I think you just had a brain fart. Mental diapers on aisle 14.

Side: True.
sylynn(626) Disputed
1 point

If you are an atheist, then you can't logically have any problem with 'liberals'

Atheism has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, it's just simply a lack of belief in a god.

Side: True.
1 point

The orders in religions were written by people for people for the sake of keeping society civil, finding out what they're all up to, and then making them comply with what you need to do to govern them. The big exception to that was Christ himself who bucked convention almost every chance he could. And then his people had him killed and then twisted even that life lesson into the same do this or else message. It's a load of bull.

Side: True.
Swashbuckler(62) Disputed
1 point

People who are morally fit to govern themselves without conventional religion don't have to worry about being governed by it.

Though generally it is those vile individuals who have a disproportionate distaste for religion who are the most in need of being governed by it.

Religion helps to govern uncivilized people much like laws and governments, so there's no logical reason to have a problem with that unless one is an anarchist and believes all government should cease to exist.

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Grenache(6058) Clarified
1 point

The problem isn't with people believing what they want to believe. The problem is when they impose their religion on others who do not have that same religion. Which is precisely why separation of church and state helped to make the US great for two centuries - until recently when the religious right finally won.

Side: True.
seanB(951) Disputed
1 point

You are a laughable individual. Democratic, majority atheist societies are safer, cleaner, and better educated than religious ones.

Religion demands you to carry out black and white instructions out of fear of burning for eternity. Without religion, you say morality is completey meaningless. Thus, without religion, you would behave without morals. But speak for yourself!

Not everybody is as mentally bankrupt as you!

Side: True.
1 point

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Side: True.
2 points

How many times must we hear people who judge God say that God says killing people is ok.

Most times when God speaks to killing people he is speaking to killing the enemies as in WAR?

When he flooded the Earth it was because the human race had become evil. He allowed the only good people to live.

How many times have we listened to Liberals call Christians and Conservatives hypocrites when we are against abortion, but support the death penalty?

To any thinking person, IT IS OBVIOUS the difference betwwen supporting the death penalty to murderers versus killing innocent unborn babies.

When God says not to kill people, he means not to MURDER the innocent. Killing is an obvious thing people have always been able to do to enemies who would kill us.

It's funny of all the anger from people who don't even believe in God. Ask yourself why they are so insecure with Christians and God when they don't even believe he exists.

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2 points

I agree, why do atheist spend so much time talking about something they say is a fictional character.

You don't see Christians spending that much time talking about the tooth fairy or the Easter bunny.

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Yes, the same way you don't see Conservatives protesting in the streets breaking windows burning cars when Obama got elected.

We are the civilized people who have the intelligence to understand those windows and cars were not at fault. When you ask most of these protesters what they are so mad about, they can't even answer you.

They will just spew some nonsense they heard on MSNBC.

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1 point

How much did you get per tooth? I got $1. I think the tooth fairy ripped me off ;)

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

I do see Christians constantly talking about Allah and they think he is fictional. If Christians couldn't get married because of the Easter Bunny they would definitely start talking about him.

Side: True.
1 point

I'm with you. I say let's kill the evil people. ;)

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leave us the hell alone.

leave us in the hell alone.

Ftfy

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It is just another excuse to say shit about God.

Stop lying to yourself and us, you have never waited on God for anything, talkless of his second coming.

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1 point

It is because of my frustration about wasting so much time waiting for His second coming that I'm talking shit ;)

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AlofRI(3262) Clarified
1 point

It's only been 20 centuries! Surely you can wait another few! Patience is a virtue! Are you not virtuous?? ;-)

Side: True.
jeffreyone(1378) Disputed
1 point

Your beard is on fire(terrorist attack) and you have a bucket of water(a counter) next to you, yet you are waiting for the sea(God) to flood to your house because it was predicted by some forecasters(bible,prophets) who don't know the exact day it will happen even?

Then your beard, face and rest of your body are going to burn.

Side: True.
Swashbuckler(62) Disputed
1 point

The universe is young, why are you waiting for 'ragnarok' when the notion of an end to the universe in many ancient texts was something not predicted to occur for billions, or even trillions of years and lifetimes.

This is an example of atheists ignorance of things that require deeper and symbolic thought, as well as their own vapid fascination with their own individual lives, which are as far as the universe is concerned, just a microscopic blip on the evolutionary radar.

Side: True.
1 point

I would agree with you ... in principal....but, inheriting a radioactive world is not a pleasant outlook. We should wait for the Neutron Bomb to be developed (with our God given knowledge and ingenuity), THAT would send those that want to go to the happy hunting ground a one way ticket, and WE could get on with our lives. ;-)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

The problem is that most atheists lack the intelligence and creativity to understand deeper philosophical concepts.

Being creativity-stunted (and often morally stunted as well, caring only about their meaningless material pleasures and sufferings), they only think in terms of external, material things, and view the messages in the Bible and world religions as just referring to literal, physical things, physical death, physical pain, etc.

They don't understand deeper philosophical concepts of symbolic thought, or the ways in which the formal sciences of the universe, such as logic and aesthetics tie in with religious mythology and symbolism.

This is essentially why "intelligence" as the West often measures it isn't a very good descriptor of personal competence or creativity.

The fact that the average atheist arguing about "God this, god that" on the internet is so creativity and emotionally stunted that he can't even get a date, when even most "stupid" people can, if anything shows that being an atheist is counter-productive to Darwinism, since being an angry, nasty atheist seems to decrease, rather than increase the odds of one being able to reproduce.

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2 points

If what you say is true, then atheism is a dead end and evolution would have weeded them out of God's garden a long time ago. Perhaps God keeps sending atheists down to Earth in order to test religious people ;)

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Swashbuckler(62) Disputed
1 point

Not really,

Plus God doesn't create atheists or people's physical forms. Physical forms are the result of the laws of nature taking their course, which of course are not pre-determined per se. God would be the creator of the formal laws of the universe, mathematics and aesthetics, from which the essense of man, not his physical form comes, not the physical nature of man.

And as I mentioned earlier, rape is the practice of atheism, so rapists may explain from a Darwinian perspective why atheists haven't been weeded out, even though they should, as rape and murder are simply the practice of atheism unfettered. But if we could find a way to eliminate those things from existence, we'd eliminate atheism in the process.

Side: True.
AlofRI(3262) Clarified
1 point

."....being a nasty Atheist seems to decrease, rather than increase the odds of one being able to reproduce." Very eloquent. (and nasty).

All evidence here, and in Europe, shows that Christian religious populations have dwindled severely over the last few decades. Indeed, cathedrals in Europe have been turned into condos and such.

"Emotionally stunted, nasty, angry, stupid, lack of intelligence," whatever. In order for you to insult me I would first have to respect your opinion.

Okay! Atheists evolved, Christians were "created" (sort of like Frankenstein or .... Sarah Palin?). Can we leave it at that or should we, as our top Christian government leaders will likely do, use the nuclear option....???

Sheesh! Christians are SOOO........ "nasty"!

Side: True.
Swashbuckler(62) Disputed
1 point

Not all church goers are spiritual, nor are all condo Dwellers atheistic.

My opinion is that with the exception of the English, Germanic, and Scandinavian nations, Europe is a more spiritual part of the world than America is, France and Switzerland, and the nations of the Romance languages in particular. You can judge how spiritual a nation is by its sense of aesthetics (as aesthetics is the language of God), Paris for example is far more beautiful than New York, so I would say Paris is a more spiritual nation, some may be confused into thinking they are atheist even if inwardly, they are not.

America today is quite materialistic and atheistic, most churchgoers are likely more atheistic in practice than spiritual in America, which of course ties in with the true message of religious texts, such as Jesus' claim about the narrow gate.

The true way to experience the essence of God is to meditate in solitude, rather than in a church if possible.

Side: True.
1 point

The world is full of conflict. Religion teaches us that we have to suck it up until the second coming when God will throw the wicked into the lake of fire (or something like that) and the meek will inherit the earth.

There is more to it than just that. God doesn't throw people in Hell. Nowhere in scripture does it say that. People send themselves to hell for the choice that they made,

One of God's commandment is "thou shall not kill." But He had David running around killing his enemies. He condoned it. And He himself wiped out everything with His 40 days and 40 nights of rain crap. So life isn't as precious as He would have us believe.

A lot of the Old Testament stuff that was killing involved were over Israel, or God was judging people because they were doing evil, and God took a stand and said enough is enough and decided to do something about it.

So, instead of waiting for the second coming, I say we nuke the bastards causing all the problems and stirring the pot as it were. We then declare ourselves to be the meek and lay claim to the planet. Then, if and when He comes, we can just tell Him that we took care of it all ourselves and that we no longer need His services and that He can just fuck off and leave us the hell alone.

Only more problems would arise. We can't take care of it ourselves because, we as humans aren't perfect at all and we'll always mess things. God on the other hand loves us and wants a relationship with Him. That's why there are Christians around the world spreading good news to people, so that when the time comes people will be ready and not perish.

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For the record, studies such as Oxford Research have more or less proven that people, and even animals are born theistic (elephants for example engage in primitive forms of religious and burial rites), so no one is born atheist, atheism I believe is the result of psychological deviation and immorality, essentially one wanting to play God, much as Satan's rebellion was described in the Bible.

Truth is like it or not, many well-known atheists are evil people, such as Stalin, Marquis de Sade, possibly Hitler, and of course Karl Marx.

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sylynn(626) Disputed
1 point

You cite a study performed by a Christian which will of course be biased. To assert people are born theistic is incorrect for a few reasons.

1.) Even if humans and mammals are born with an innate belief there is something higher than they, this could only point to deism, not theism.

2.) When a baby is born they do not have the knowledge or capability to form a belief in anything much less a supreme being. There really is no way of concluding any animal is born as a believer.

3.) elephants for example engage in primitive forms of religious and burial rites Are you suggesting elephants have a soul? Most theists do not believe this so I'm curious. Aside from that, having ritualistic tendencies does not equal being religious nor does it get any closer in actually proving such a god exists.

Lastly, just because you list a few people who were atheists and did evil things doesn't mean all atheists are evil (by the way, Hitler spoke against Atheism). I can just as easily list people who have done evil acts in the name of Christianity.

Side: True.