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Have you read "Atlas Shrugged" a novel by Ayn Rand?

First published in 1957 in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

For the uninitiated, the moral of the story is simply this:

Politicians invariably respond to crises -- that in most cases they themselves created -- by spawning new government programs, laws and regulations. These, in turn, generate more havoc and poverty, which inspires the politicians to create more programs . . . and the downward spiral repeats itself until the productive sectors of the economy collapse under the collective weight of taxes and other burdens imposed in the name of fairness, equality and do-goodism.

 

Do you believe this?  Does it have any relevance today?

Yes, and I agree

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Government programs can help(and often don't) but people can help themselves more than anyone els can. So creating more and more programs won't do any good and will make things worse. Politicians should inspire people of the great things they can accouplish, instead of just throwing them a bone.

Side: No But I Agree

My point exactly.

Side: Yes, and I agree

I haven't read it but I believe on the moral of the story and plan on reading it.

Side: Yes, and I agree

Mr. Moore is senior economics writer for The Wall Street Journal editorial page. He writes.....

In the book, these relentless wealth redistributionists and their programs are disparaged as "the looters and their laws." Every new act of government futility and stupidity carries with it a benevolent-sounding title. These include the "Anti-Greed Act" to redistribute income (sounds like Charlie Rangel's promises soak-the-rich tax bill) and the "Equalization of Opportunity Act" to prevent people from starting more than one business (to give other people a chance). My personal favorite, the "Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Act," aims to restrict cut-throat competition between firms and thus slow the wave of business bankruptcies. Why didn't Hank Paulson think of that?

These acts and edicts sound farcical, yes, but no more so than the actual events in Washington, circa 2008. We already have been served up the $700 billion "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" and the "Auto Industry Financing and Restructuring Act." Now that Barack Obama is in town, he will soon sign into law with great urgency the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan." This latest Hail Mary pass will increase the federal budget (which has already expanded by $1.5 trillion in eight years under George Bush) by an additional $1 trillion -- in roughly his first 100 days in office.

The current economic strategy is right out of "Atlas Shrugged": The more incompetent you are in business, the more handouts the politicians will bestow on you. That's the justification for the $2 trillion of subsidies doled out already to keep afloat distressed insurance companies, banks, Wall Street investment houses, and auto companies -- while standing next in line for their share of the booty are real-estate developers, the steel industry, chemical companies, airlines, ethanol producers, construction firms and even catfish farmers. With each successive bailout to "calm the markets," another trillion of national wealth is subsequently lost. Yet, as "Atlas" grimly foretold, we now treat the incompetent who wreck their companies as victims, while those resourceful business owners who manage to make a profit are portrayed as recipients of illegitimate "windfalls."

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Ultimately, "Atlas Shrugged" is a celebration of the entrepreneur, the risk taker and the cultivator of wealth through human intellect. Critics dismissed the novel as simple-minded, and even some of Rand's political admirers complained that she lacked compassion. Yet one pertinent warning resounds throughout the book: When profits and wealth and creativity are denigrated in society, they start to disappear -- leaving everyone the poorer.

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Atlas Shrugged is actually my favorite novel (and I'm a Democrat)! Ayn Rand and her concept of self and her objectivist philosophy are the basis of free market capitalism. of course, Ayn Rand would abhor the steps our government has taken to stem the financial crisis.

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Here, here. There, there.

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Atlas Shrugged is simply one of the greatest novels of all time. It really changed my life perspective.

The JOHN GALT speech was the most intellectual and unbelievable monologue ever along with Francisco d'Anconia speech on money.

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No,

There's plenty of good programs. And plenty of programs that did not result from some impending crisis.

And politicians do not have to inherently respond in the stated manner.

Though, they usually do.

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