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Should libertarians be forced to move to artificial libertarian islands

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

Pay Pal founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel has given $1.25 million to an initiative to create floating libertarian countries in international waters, according to a profile of the billionaire in Details magazine.

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

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And I would go live with them. I feel more kinship with libertarians than I do with liberals and I would do anything to get as far away as possible from liberals. Although..., I would rather force them to move as far away from me as possible ;)

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We British already did that, we dumped most of our liberals and criminals in North America.

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ptosis(243) Disputed
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I thought that was Austrailia, the religious criminals wanted to leave GB for religious freedom such as the Puritans, who then decided that any non-Puritan was a second class citizen. Freedom to be intolarant of other people's freedoms.

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Axmeister(4322) Disputed
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We also dumped criminals in the U.S as well as Australia, and liberals always left to escape the strong social class and sexist views that where in Britain at the time.

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I was really excited when I first heard about this. Ended up being in a long ass debate with two friends (who are liberals) on Facebook.

The whole point of the Libertarian Islands is to take away force. So forcing someone to live there is counter to the idea.

I think that if this project works out, overtime it will end up having a decent population. Of course, many people do not support something like this, but I believe that to be a natural selection. Those who support Libertarianism will make this place greatly efficient. If we have a bunch of Liberals (asking for entitlements) and Conservatives (questioning the morality) we'll end up having a big bureaucratic mess. At least since it will be privately owned that turds won't really be able to take away the liberties of the citizens.

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The reason I used the word, "force" was exactly because of the ironic, comedic value ;)

But each and every one of those islands should come with a plank for whenever they vote someone off the island ;)

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I'm against forcing them.

It would be interesting to laugh at how many laws the liberatarians had on their island though. Like, they'll basically just come up with new names of taxes and the like, but be situated exactly the same as most democracies today.

Of course they won't get the joke, but the rest of us will have a good laugh.

Side: good for a laugh
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Hell is other people so - no - rather be alone (with rum) on a deserted island ala 'Jack Sparrow'

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The biggest laugh is your incompetence on what a libertarian society really is, there would be no democracy, so there is no situating exactly like other democracies. Democracy implies the rule of the majority, democracy is the tyranny of majority. Democracy implies government. Basically, you are saying that the way the world is now, it is the absolute best that it can be.

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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That's what checks and balances in government are for. Which libertarians would eventually figure out, and try to come up with ways of implementing, all the while becoming more and more like the governments they think are so horrible.

Then I'll laugh even harder.

Side: good for a laugh
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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so what you're saying is that every country HAS to be like Western Democracies in order to exist?

The arrogance of Americans.

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Let's build the islands, force the liberals to live there and keep the mainland ;)

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