It is a claim that there is no God. This however can't be proven so it is a statement of faith. It is a claim. What is rational about believing something can come from nothing?

Atheism makes the claim…..there is NO GOD. First of all this is a factual statement that no one can make. To make it would require all the knowledge in the universe…and no atheists can do this. Religion is a point of view it is a belief system. Atheism is the same…it takes faith to believe that there is no God.

Atheism has always been a religion. Our country even declared it was one. They believe by faith that the claims they make are true. Many atheists organize and they promote their worldview in many ways.

Yes I think sometimes parents can be brutal to kids in regards to sports both physically and emotionally. My son played a pro-sport for a time and I have seen it all. I knew a kid who killed himself because he didn't measure up to his fathers standards. So one shot of botox....in comparison to a childhood life full of pressures....yea just as bad and sometimes worse. Don't get me wrong...this mother should have been horsewhipped....but to take her child away.....no...not enough.

You are such a liar, ya know that? I never said all Disney movies. I said they should be age appropiate and checked out. Because they say Disney and have the symbol on them means squat. Get it?

Uppity is very different than assuming that we hate our children and that we would give them botox. You see the difference....but of course would never admit it.

Someone in your country cared enough to ban him and put him with the other radical islamics on your most dangerous list. So to say he did not matter...does not cut it.

No double standard.....you just don't get it.

The thing that should happen is that whoever actually gave the shots should lose their license. While this is bad...there are a lot worse things parents do to kids IMO. Like allowing them to get tattoos, forcing them to play sports or physically and mentally abusing them. Certainly the mother should be dealt with but to take custody away....not so sure about that.

You know that was a nasty thing to say....especially about Americans. Like we all would do this.......to our children?

LMAO......yes I think your are more right than I am. Anyway I was so upset over the verdict...that I have not listened to anything about the case anymore.

Waiting to die? What a way to live.....to sit around waiting and wasting the precious time you have on earth...No one knows when they will take their last breathe....

The real reason they got away with it....is because their particular juries who are made up of human beings from every walk of life, every race, religion.....different worldviews....are coming together to decide someones fate, based not only on evidence but opinion as well. One woman said that she did not like to judge. Why on earth she was not excused is beyond me. Jurys are there to JUDGE.

You could assemble twelve different people on another jury and they might get an opposite opinion.

I think the Casey Anthony jury was made up of liberals from what I heard. One guy had to go on a cruise the next day....so there ya go. Many some of the jurors were just tired and wanted to go home........

What is hard to believe is that...IMO from the television I watched on this...what I read in magazine and watched on television....the majority of the population (including defense lawyers interviews) though there was enough evidence to convict. I have served on a jury and did not cave in to what the group wanted. Two of us held out...and it ended up being hung. I find it hard to beleive they unanimously all agreed on something like this.

Some great questions.

Does Hamas care about their own people? NO

I would ask this.......why dont other Islamic nations come to their aid? No country wants to take them in.

Joe you are right. This is not about land this is about religion and the hatred between religions....in this case the Jews and the Arabs. This issue is old and one that will never be resolved.

WE also support other countries as well.

Are you going to look in the eyes of parents who have lost a son in this war and tell them that what their son did...protecting and freeing innocent Muslims from the hands of their own dictators was wrong. Nothing America does is good in the larger scheme of things.....eh?

Israel is being attacked by people who want them dead. Islam wants to eradicate Jews period. It is not about living sharing and respecting. This is about survival of a race. How many Jews on earth...as opposed to Muslims?

You sympathize and your allegiance is with Islam, with the Palestinians and I think that you believe this is over land. It might be on the surface but that is not what lies underneath.

You just blamed Christians for wars. What about Islam? They kill their own children, their own people for an ideal. And you say they are peaceful? ARe they taught to love their enemy? What does Allah say for them to do?

Now I will discuss Christianity and what the scriptures say any day of the week...but this discussion is about Islam and what the Koran says.

Where does it say in the Koran that they should love their enemy? Have you even read the book? The fact is that Muhammed is looked upon them as a moral example....yet he did not even live up to the basic laws he layed down for everyone else. How many wives did he have? The Koran limits how many a man can marry, only four. Muhammed however thought this law did not pertain to him.

I am puzzled as to why you think Islam is so great. Islam encompasses every dimension of life. That means in Islamic countries there is no separation of church and state. Islam takes over homes, society, countries.........IT CONTROLS EVERYTHING. Do you think they would tolerate and accept your liberal opinions? They do not tolerate secularism. If Islam is in the majority........the minority have a difficult time. You talk about me being closed minded...........every been to the Middle East?

And tell me where in the world Christians are convincing, brainwashing their kids to be suicide bombers?

"2.191": And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.”

"5.33": The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement....

Sura 8:12 When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

"9.123": O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

"9.3": And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

"9.5": So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

What happens to those who change their religion?

"69.30": Lay hold on him, then put a chain on him,

"69.31": Then cast him into the burning fire,

"69.32": Then thrust him into a chain the length of which is seventy cubits.

"69.33": Surely he did not believe in Allah, the Great,

"69.34": Nor did he urge the feeding of the poor.

"69.35": Therefore he has not here today a true friend,

"69.36": Nor any food except refuse,

"69.37": Which none but the wrongdoers eat.

Peaceful?

"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).

Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).

Peaceful?

What is your definition of peace? LOL

And I am not saying all Muslims believe in terrorism. Those living in democratic countries....are bound by the laws there. Their hands are tied and they can't live like those in Islamic countries do.

The Koran teaches that Islam supercedes both Judism and Christianity and therefore Islam cant tolerate another religion sharing political rule. The Koran says, kill the infidel.

Jesus in no way shape or form would have said this…..kill those who do not believe.

Islam has always been a religion of violence. Muslims commit acts of terrorism IN OBEDIENCE to the word of Muhammed and when Christians do it, it is in opposition to Christ. Christ said to love even your enemy. If people don't do this, they are breaking Gods commandment to love.

Jesus preached the opposite. He did not want people to love him, to come to him, accepting him because of force, but because of faith. In Christianity there is freedom. Freedom to accept Christ or reject him.

There is hatred on both sides......that is a fact. But I believe the Jews despite what many you post here.....have tried to live along side an enemy who wants them dead.

They want worldwide domination.......for allah.

If you read the first Charter of Virginia it talks about “propogating of the Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness” to the U.S Constitution that was approved by the Founders…..

Why would the Founders who you say were nonbelievers, secularists.....allow such statements made in government, speeches, charters..... to read like this? Where is that separation of church and state?

And what I think is really ironic is the fact that Congress in 1777 issued an official resolution instructing the Committee on Commerce to import 20,000 copies of the bible!!!! Separation of church and what?

[T]he Holy Scriptures . . . can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability, and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase our penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses.

(James McHenry, Signer of Constitution, Sec'y of War)

Year 1620…..What did the Mayflower Compact say? Did it mention at all THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH? What did the Charter of Massachusetts say? How about the Charter for Rhode Island and Providence? How about the Delaware Charter of 1701? Jesus Christ was in all of them.

Back then the concept of church and state would have been unthinkable because their Christian faith and civic government were as one.

And experts disagree on this...you can always find some expert to back up what you say. So to tell me I am the only one that does this. Peoples opinion affects what they do and what they decide...and that includes SCOTUS. And they give opinion all the time. These nine appointed and unelected officials basically decide how, where, when or if public religious activites can take place. They decide whether customs and traditions are even constitutional. They decide what is in the best interest for society and they use personal opinion to do it. So if you get liberals on there...you will get abortion and same sex marriage, group marriage...as most liberals are moral relativists. If there are more conservatives you get people who oppose abortion, favor marriage between a man and woman....and most likely they are beleivers in God. Why do you think that every time there is an opening on the SC....Democrats and Republicans scramble to get a representative on it who reflects their positions.

"Separation of church and state" only appeared in Jeffersons letter to the Danbury Baptists...but today Americans think it appears in the First Amendment. It does not appear anywhere. That amendment simply says....."Congress shall make no law respoecting an establishment of religion of prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

This is not cut and dry. What amazes me is that for 150 years or more SCOTUS members fought and defended things today the court is striking down. Now they are eliminating religious expressions and activities which like I said had always been constitutional. Why the changes? Opinions and the worldview someone has influences policy and law.

I could give you many laws on the books today that deny what the first amendment promises Americans.

Religious values are varied and wide. But so are those who are not believers. But a clear reading of the scritpures leave little doubt as to Christs agenda and what He commands His followers to do. So groups like that Westboro Baptists...are way off the mark. Christ said to love your enemy, speak with kindness. They do not. They do not represent Christ.

As for the Founders......I disagree.

Patrick Henry said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here." Was he wrong?

George Washington said, "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

The first Court Justice, John Jay said that when we select our national leaders, if we are to preserve our Nation, we must select Christians. "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

Now Jay was in the Supreme Court......where is the separation of Chuch and State in this statement?

And what did James Madison, a primary author of the Constitution of the United States say. "We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Harvard University was chartered in 1636. It is certainly secular today but in the original Harvard Student Handbook rule number one was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the scriptures:

"Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdom, let everyone seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of him (Proverbs 2:3)."

"Let the children...be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education. The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effectual means of extirpating [removing] Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools." Benjamin Rush, signer.

Why should my personal beliefs constitute laws? For the same reason that others use theirs to make law. The abortion law was passed because of the bias of several judges.

Everyone has an opinion, and their backgrounds, their values and opinions weigh in when decisions are made.

We have never had same sex or group marriage legal in this country. Tell me why? We are an industrial, secular nation today....why not and why today? Because religious values do make a difference thats why. Most the Founders were men of God. The laws reflected that. The schools reflected that. Family lives reflected that and government reflected that. It was not secular in the Founders day or for many many years after that...well into the 1900's. The majority religion in America has always been Christianity and our laws reflected that fact.

And today we have thrown all three down the sewer and laws are being changed to reflect the isms....materialism, humanism, atheism and yes socialism thanks to Obama.

I believe it takes two to create a child. That child has the DNA of BOTH PARENTS, MOTHER AND FATHER, male and female. Each has a right to love, nurture that child. Even if they split up...it is better for the child to know its true identity to be exposed to BOTH sexes. I believe males benefit from having male influences, females from female. This is nature.

Most people think marriage is just a loving relationship between two people providing benefits to them both, legal also health. But the institution of marriage is way more than this. It influences society. If you look the world over, up until a few years ago marriage was always defined as it is today. This union of the man and woman had ways of serving society. Its the best way to make sure that all children grow up with benefits of a mother and a father. Such is not the case in same sex marriage.

And look at group marriages. Marriage has always served as protection for the couple. How is she protected in group marriages. Her husbands attention and devotion divided among the group. Kids being pitted againt other wives children, jealously, bitterness. Don't think this is not prevelant in homes such as this. You ask people who live in Mormon communitites what goes on...that is if you can find one who will be honest.

I live in Phoenix....we have large populations of Mormons, especially in Mesa. My sister lived in Sandy Utah for over twenty years....you ought to her her horror stories...of abuse among the groups.

Traditional marriage meets the needs of all involved....father, mother, children.

It also affirms masculinity and femininity, which same sex marriages could never do.

I feel that unions such as these and redefining marriage will have devestating effects on society (it will also affect traditional marriages)....but no more than it will have on children. It will divide those who do have a faith in God who oppose them. Churches will be forced by the government to accept this as normal and moral. You say it won't happen...you are wrong. The gay agenda is working hard to make sure it does. They already have started attacking churches around the country.

"The fundamental principle of our Constitution enjoins that the will of the MAJORITY shall prevail." George Washington

The will of the people are being shot down all over the country. When put to a vote about gay marriage......it has been shot down by the people every time. After the elected it is always overturned by a liberal judge. I do not believe that this country wants to redefine marriage.

You hit the nail on the head with this post. The ACLU is working on both. Polygamy sooner or later will be legal. Won't that be good for children in families that split up and they have six mommies. I just can imagine the legal system dealing with this.

If you open the floodgates to gay marrying then....how can you say no to anyone else, any group that wants to do the same thing and uses the same arguments?

Because I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. It has always been that way in America. Why? If we have always been a secular nation you would think that marriage would have included gays and groups. But the fact is it was not defined to include them. So why does it need to be changed after hundreds of years of it being the way it is?

If gays want to marry....groups want to marry...then call it something else.

The law will be changed to include just about any kind of union you can think of. But after gay marriage is group marriage.

Why don't those that don't believe in it or don't fit the criteria think one up since marriage in America has ALWAYS BEEN BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.

Let them come up with something that describes their union.

Money.........to defend it....is worth every cent.

Where in the world are their Christians killing and murdering those who will not kneel to Christ? If there is terrorism in the world, what one religion is most always present? Islam

Do Christians recruit their own children to be suicide bombers?

What middle eastern country allows free speech, allows a woman to do what she wants without the fear that her head will come off?

Islam a religion of peace? so much so that they use the Palestinian people are pawns...this is true. Why? The goal? WORLDWIDE DOMINATION For whom? THE ONE AND ONLY ALLAH. This view is not shared by radicals but moderates alike. WHY? It says so in their holy book.

You fail to see the real issues....their will never be peace because the Arabs hate Jews...and this is religious whether you like it or not.

You are the Jew hater....so much so you cant even see the truth of the conflict itself.

I gave you examples of what the heads of Islam have said about this issue....and funny but you won't address them.......

Garry said, "What could go wrong, hmmmm, lets see, the Isrealis will launch an attack on the palestinians when the claim what they are legally entitled to under international law, they'll be backed 100% by the US, they'll probably slaughter thousands, and then blame it on the palestians just like they did in the so called "Gaza war" more correctly known as the Gaza massacre."

And this is not a cruel statment...? This shows that you are one sided....and are pro-palestinian and that you agree with them that the Jews are wrong on every level. So don't give me crap about my post is all full of hatred. I provided you WITH FACTUAL STATEMENTS BY THE PALESTINIANS THEMSELVES. These statements show that they are not interested in the land perse. They want the Jews and Christians out of there and will go to any method to make this happen. What did I post that was bogus?

If you are not a Jew hater then wow.....wow....you have a funny way of showing it. You did not present ONE thing that the Palestinians have done wrong....you provided no act of violence, nothing against the Jewish citizen. Your views are ONESIDED. If there is prejudice shown its by you. Your posts speak for themselves.

I said this conflict dates back to Abraham. The fact that you cant see this shows that you really do not understand the nature between the conflict. If you ask any Muslim living in the ME they would back up my claim. This is an unholy war and all about the hatred between three religions. Do you think that if the Palestinians took over they would allow Jews to remain, to participate in government and to be a part of this sacred land they all call their own? Not on your life would they.

You mention Jimmy Carter...who without a doubt is one of the biggest traitors in American Presidential history. He will be remembered by his treasonous acts...certainly not anything while he was president, he was a failure one of the worst we have ever had until Obama. Of course his friends, the worlds most evil dictators and tyrants will fondly remember him. Certainly the Soviets loved him.......is it any wonder? He has one thing at the top of his agenda.....SELF PROMOTION. He campaigned for the Peace Prize.

I gave you quotes not from extremists...but moderates as well. One even got the peace prize...Arafat.

Why are they legally entitled to that land?

The Palestinians never had that land. They never had a nation. The newly formed group of Arab-Palestinians are seeking to create what NEVER existed. By this I mean the election of a president forming an army setting up a government presence in east Jerusalem and with Jordans agreement….founding a state-all in violation of the stipulations that were agreed upon in the Oslo Accord….WHICH PRECLUDED ANY RECOGNITION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE. That is why I said that this issue is not about land ownership. It’s about an Arab nationalist movement and Islams religious quests to eradicate the entire Jewish presence…not just from the area……FROM THE MAP. About the Oslo….it ended because of the constant acts of jihad by PALESTINIAN negotiators. Israel however continued to make unprecedented concessions of LAND to the Palestinians…even when they were under pressure from the Orthodox Jews….Rabin was assassinated. The Jews made efforts to freeze settlement expansion. They gave the Palestinians local autonomy over certain areas of the West Bank and Gaza. They were allowed to have weapons and their own armed forces to protect themselves . And if you look back…terrorism was not contained…Arafat denied any part of participating with Hamas, Hizbullah etc..which we found out that these organizations didn’t do anything without his approval. And this happened while the peace process was going on. This is about hatred………..not land.

There will never be peace because of Jerusalem. The Palestians will never compromise…they cant because of their religious beliefs. So anything the Jews would do is not enough. The city will never be divided like the Palestianians want to do and they will never get complete sovereignty over the Temple Mount. Remember when Arafat rejected the American plan (shared land) and walked out at Camp David. Had he agreed the establishment of some sort of Palestinian state might have happened.

We are now half a century into the Jewish state…and the same anti Semitism…(like the Nazi Holocaust) is alive today…we see it here on this site…with comments such as yours. It’s an all out assault against Israel. You say they should give up all the land that is not theirs. The Palestianians origins are controversial. They think the right to the land comes through Abraham…has nothing to do with where they came from. They reason that the land belongs to Ishmaels son, Abrahams first born ……But the covenant with God and given to Abraham was through Isaac. History shows that the Palestinians/arabs were not in control of this land in the 19th century. At that time it was under the control of Syria. They came to the land as part of Bedouin tribes…they came to work for the landowners who were OTTOMANS. And if you go back futher , in the 12 centuries between the Arab conquest in the 7th century and when the Jews returned in the late 1800’s, this land of Palestine was nothing but dirt…nothing on it. Who cultivated this land? The Jews did by making the land cultivated, by building cities, roads….It was only until the time between WW1 and WW2 that Arabs started coming. They came as IMMIGRANT WORKERS…because they could make good money. The Jews were already there and had done the work.

The Jews can document a presence in that land for over 2000 years. They have always been the resident citizens . It isn’t enough that the Jews have offered citizenship with all the benefits that go with it…to the Palestinaians. But they consider this an act of treason. ….so this goes to show, that there can never be lasting peace…or a compromise.

Question…..Why do you think Arab countries do not want to accept the Palestinian people? They don’t give a damn about them and use them as pawns. They use them to gain the worlds sympathy against Israel. Egypt refused them…Syria, Iraq, Libya…only Jordan accepted them and wanted to take them in. They are useful pawns……remember when the Gulf War broke out? Kuwait who employed thousands of Palestinians but still denying them citizenship, threw some 300,000 of them out. Such brotherly love eh….Islam a religions of peace. If anyone sets the Palestinian people up to fail….is the Arab nations who are using them.

I know a lot about this as my inlaws happen to be those people who won’t get in the row boat pointed to the ocean floor.

And about all the stupid people watching Fox........they go where they get fair and balanced news....CNN represents people like Dan Rather...whose demise came from his quest to alter the news because of his own hatred. We all know what happened to Rather don’t we?

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/06/16/cnn-back-in-4th-place-cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-june-15-2011/95779/

No we have no right to tell them either actually....

Did we have the right to jump in the war to end Hitlers rampage? Should we left weaker countries stand up to tyranny?

Israel is the only DEMOCRATIC....country in the ME. That we should always stand up for. And since 9-11 America has learned a lot about Islam and why it acts the way it does. We are told it is only the minority of Islam a few token radicals ( I read somewhere 1%) who want us dead (Jews, Christians) ...well if that is the case that would be some 18 million muslims. You think they attacked us on 9-11 just because we support Israel.....that is what they would like you to believe. We are the big Satan to them in more ways than Israel. We stand in their way for global worship of Allah. What 9-11 did was to show us that there is an enemy that wants us gone too.

Israel has always been our most dependable ally in the middle east, none other exists. Israel is surrounded by dictators and is surprisingly powerful. You would think that this tiny country whose population is basically shrinking would easily be swallowed up by its enemies who are breeding like rabbits. What is the land mass or tiny Israel compared to all other Muslim countries? Wouldnt you think that someone would take the Palestinians in?

Bottom line.....This issue is not about land ownership but all about a ARab nationalist movement and the religious aims of Islam attempting to eradicate a Jewish presence from the entire map of the Middle East.

For this reason we should help them when asked.

NO, NO AND NO.....NO I would not. No way.....not on your life, my answer is no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!