Trumpet_guy's Waterfall
Sigh...you do realize that the Bible was first written in Hebrew, not English right? The word day in Hebrew, yom, has several definitions. Among these is an unspecified amount of time.
It supposes to be the "Word of god" where I assume that the expectation that it is a literal truth comes with it.
While I do believe Genesis is literal if the correct vocab is used, are you really going to lump Psalms and Proverbs into the literal category as well?
While I object to most of the things in the image (except the comment about the atheists, many atheists are more "moral" than alot of Christians), she is merely expressing the need to be aware we are in a republic/ democratic society and should treat it as such.
BTW to get past the 50 char. limit, use lots of spaces
No, but convincing people of this who have believed the 24 hour day thing is very hard to do. I tried to convince my youth pastor once and he thinks I've gone off the deep end now...now each time he teaches on creation, I silently in my head dispute every single point he makes.
I do keep this in mind. However one main difference though from other religions. Most religions teach the wisdom is already there, ready to be "enlightened" in some way using your own wisdom from within yourself. For Christianity, wisdom is within, but only after salvation, and the knowledge does not come from within yourself, but from the Holy Spirit, who enters you upon salvation. While it comes from "within" technically, at the same time it actually comes from an external source.
To all verses cited in Proverbs-
Proverbs 2:6-8
6 For the Lord gives wisdom;[the literal translation s wisdom comes from God]
from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
7He holds success in store for the upright,
he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
8for he guards the course of the just
and protects the way of his faithful ones.
9Then you will understand what is right and just
and fair—every good path.
10For wisdom will enter your heart,
and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
11Discretion will protect you,
and understanding will guard you.
The theme is wisdom comes from God, not man, and all the verses you listed base off this theme.
Not really. You cherry picked a few verses and then didn't use other verses to back up your philosophy behind using these verse. You just cited numerous examples of the same basic thing. Your argument makes sense in itself, but not in relation to the rest of the Bible as a whole :/
Time is not metaphorical. This is correct. However a literal definition of the Hebrew word for day (yom) is an unspecified amount of time.
Well one of the requirements for evolution is death. Many fundamentalists hold the interpretation that death didn't happen till after the fall of man.
That's an opinion based statement, not a fact based statement. But we could debate that for a llllooonnnggg time, and have before.
That's not true, because most religions, including Christianity, already view everyone as divine. People just have to find that wisdom within themselves.
Ummmm no. In fact in the Christian Bible, what you just said is one of the original lies of Satan.
Genesis 3:4-5
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Basically, Satan was trying to convince them that they could be like God and be divine and was what God was afraid of them becoming. Satan was trying to get Adam and Eve to repeat his sin. You could argue that Satan was trying to get them to "realize there true from and they were divine". However this is DIRECTLY AGAINST Judeo(spelling?)-Christian doctrine. God cast Satan out of Heaven because God is divine, Satan is not. God cast Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden because they were not divine and couldn't handle the knowledge of evil.
People just have to find that wisdom within themselves.
Actually this is once again, directly against Christian doctrine. In the Garden of Eden, there were two special trees.
1) the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
2) the tree of life
The two trees are meant to be taken both literally as the history of the fall of man, but also symbolically. The tree of knowledge of good and evil as the Hebrew of implied meaning of "through experience". The tree of knowledge of god and evil represented those that tried to seek their own path, do it their own way, and as you said "find wisdom within themselves". However the entire Bible is against this and is contrasted by the tree of life. The entire Bible is about trusting God's wisdom not our own. The tree of life is a representation of us trusting God. The metaphor of the tree of life is strewn throughout proverbs, all describing "the tree of life" as trusting God's wisdom, not our own.
So no, thank you for helping me clarify how Christianity is NOT like other religions.
Actually many religions teach similar messages, few teach identical messages, but none teach like Christianities message. Christianity is the only religion where a form of salvation does not come from actions done by the individual, but by the divine themselves.
Hmm why is it the more research you do, the more Christianity makes sense...hmmm
This is not a new subject and has been disputed before:
"Perhaps the most convincing find in support of the early domestication of camels in Egypt is a rope made of camel’s hair found in the Fayum (an oasis area southwest of modern-day Cairo). The two-strand twist of hair, measuring a little over three feet long, was found in the late 1920s, and was sent to the Natural History Museum where it was analyzed and compared to the hair of several different animals. After considerable testing, it was determined to be camel hair, dated (by analyzing the layer in which it was found) to the Third or Fourth Egyptian Dynasty (2686-2498 B.C.). In his article, Free also listed several other discoveries from around 2,000 B.C. and later, which showed camels as domestic animals (pp. 189-190)."
-from https://www.apologeticspress.org/
Their source:Free, Joseph P. (1944), “Abraham’s Camels,” Journal of Near Eastern Studies, 3:187-193, July.
And this is only one of any observations THAT HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED, unlike the opposing side.
I researched to find this scientific report, reported by CNN and others, but could not find the actual report itself. I couldn't even find an abstract! My question is I have searched and searched to see what they did to get this data but find nothing, all I see is hype. I'm seeing two sides. On one side: THE BIBLES WRONG!!! On the other side: No the Bible is still affirmed to be true, and here's the evidence for it.
No, it doesn't. Believers of faiths have the same reaction when the pifalls of their religons are revealed for the first time after years, sometimes decades, of unshaken belief. And this is coming from a believer
