That’s cool , we disagree so there’s nothing further to say really

@theworkshy you’re a little upset aren’t you ? , would you like another lesson in American law ? Maybe the Constitution or human rights ?

How I define life is immaterial , my bottom line is still a woman’s body a woman’s choice , which seems to upset so many people as its so outrageous a woman should have a choice over what she does with her own body

potential life of the unborn?

Yes

That's like telling someone, "You have a potentially long life to live..." just before you blow their brains out ;)

Well no it’s not , that’s why one is deemed murder and the other is not , now which one is deemed murder do you think ?

Yeah, and it's pretty easy. All I have to do is debunk this Italian guy on a debate website.

Italian guy 🙀😂😂😂😂 Abortion is legal 🤗🤗🤗🤗 So you’re still sponging off your family or the state you lazy sod

@theworkshy , I couldn’t agree more I’m glad you’re finally on board

Any luck on the job front buddy ?

If you don't approve of abortion I have some excellent advice for you ...... don't get one

You could be defending women's rights at the expense of a fetus' life.

Not could be , I am protecting the woman’s rights taking precedence over the potential life of the unborn

Your approach is sensible but its a debate forum and I love to battle

If you don't approve of abortion I have somd excellent advice for you ...... don't get one

Explain further please as I'm not clear on what you're saying

And you’re entitled to it , I’m passionate about women’s rights as in women deciding regarding a choice over what they wish to do with their bodies , it’s because of my background brought up in a Catholic dominated society where women were treated like dogs

Name calling: "abusive language or insults".

Facts regarding your idiocy are well .... facts

I'm simply using your logic, in that you say that because I believed that a fetus was a baby, I must've thought that a baby was a fetus and so on.

Again your re-invention of what was said is part of your genetic idiocy as in an inherited trait

It was a reference to your profile picture.

Oh yes I forgot you’re a young earth creationist

And you don't know how to spell evolution.

Well I do it’s just you’re boring and I thought I might amuse myself by letting you “ pounce “ on a typo ..... bless your little heart

That was you, idiot.

That’s a bit rich coming from a retard like you

No, I'm against people calling evolution a definite fact, at least right now.

Yes I know facts upset you the real truths are in answers in genesis aren’t they

why don't you actually support your claims,

Like I keep doing you mean ?

instead of telling me to research your claim?

I asked you to get a basic education but hey you’re a “ conservative “

Another typical bit of stupidity from you

Yes I know acceptance of fact as in Evolution is stupidity according to young earthers like youn

Funny how everything you can't argue against is "stupidity" or "gibberish".

You really mean funny how easily I de -bunk your bullshit

No, we don't.

So I was right

We have front lawns and backyards

Oh , now you do like all your arguments as in you say one thing and then contradict your own nonsense

, maybe you should escape from your liberal safe space and explore more then your "garden lawn".

Maybe you should leave your trailer and get a job you lazy sod

From the off?

Apologies I forgot you’re a “ conservative “ and terms in common usage are alien to you

My defense is the fetus is alive.

That’s it ?

Now, for your rebuttal?

The fetus is reliant on “ life “ from the mother and either way so what ?

So what

So, you say the fetus isn't alive. How is it not alive if it needs nutrients?

It’s reliant on the mother for life and it gets nutrients from the mother it’s not entitled to

And, if you do think it's alive, what makes abortion different from infanticide? Other then, of course, infanticide occurring after the birth.

Infanticide is the crime of a mother killing her child within a year of birth you idiot , what do you mean “after birth “ you fool ?

I admit it's immoral to kill a human/potential human. Not whatever you just said.

So now the game is “ whatever you just said “ what a cop out by the work shy “ conservative “ , what I said as well you know if you admit it’s immoral to prevent a like been born but yet you support contraception because you’re a hypocrite

but it's fine to prevent a potential

How is the fetus created if the contraception works?

How is the baby born if the abortion works same principle both are as you admitted preventing a potential life being born .... checkmate again

Here's the line of progression, in case you needed a diagram:

Use of contraception: Saucy stuff > Contraception > Mother doesn't become pregnant > fetus isn't created.

Use of abortion: Saucy stuff > mother becomes pregnant > fetus is created > fetus is aborted; life ended.

Here’s the line of reasoning exposing your hypocrisy again theworkshy said ....it’s immoral to prevent a potential human life to be born but it’s moral to prevent a human life being born by contraception

says Dermot. That's irony.

Yes if you accept your “ alternative narrative “

Abortion = termination of pregnancy

Contraception = prevention of pregnancy

Abortion = Prevention of a potential life being born

Contraception = Prevention of a potential life being born

Can you see your hypocrisy now

I haven't denied anything, except for having denied anything.

You have but its ok you’re a “ conservative “

No, that's just not true. You need arguments based on facts. I don't care about how you feel, I care about the stats to use to prove your arguments.

All my arguments are factual your are appeals to emotion

The individual's woman's?

Surprisingly over here women are individuals

To whom does the woman belong?

What that gibberish means is beyond me

I'm saying the man and woman should have an equal choice on the matter.

Nonsense, the woman’s choice takes precedence you caveman

I'm fine with both of them making a choice, as long as their choices have equal consideration.

No , woman’s choice takes precedence and your opinion is worthless because the law supports the woman’s choice

Both parties should get an equal choice on the matter.

They shouldn’t that’s why they don’t

I didn't say it was.

You did you liar then you changed to manslaughter

no one is charged with murder for aborting

What's your point? A lot of guys aren't charged with rape, that doesn't mean they didn't rape the girl.

But you just admitted it’s not murder you idiot so what do you want them charged with ?

Newsflash .... it’s legal to abort get over it

your government murders people " legally "

The death penalty is legal in several states.

Yes that’s why I mentioned it you fool

no, you aren't.

Oh yes I am

Humanists "emphasize the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively" by definition,

I know thanks for the lecture

and when fetuses have the cells needed to define them as humans, you still think it's okay to kill them.

Yes of course like you I believe in the right to prevent a potential life being born you agree as in contraception

Again , saying something is "gibberish" isn't a defense.

I don’t need a “ defence “ I’m merely pointing out your continual posting of gibberish

Then why did you criticize me for using the term "bodily rights"?

I corrected you on useage of terminology you were unaware of

No, it isn't.

Oh yes it is

I'm a conservative, so you're wrong again.

You forgot to mention a workshy conservative

Funny how you bring up Roe v. Wade.

Yes it Hilarious

You know, all nine justices on that court were men

So what ?

. And yet, you say you don't think men should be able to decide the fate of women.

I never said that you liar

Also , did you know that in that case, something called substantive due process was used?

Oh stop it you crybaby

where some rights can't be taken away, even through due process, and that was the reason for the ruling in Roe v. Wade.

This is what happens when Luigi tries to take down an American with our own laws and court cases.

Abortion is legal you crybaby

What gives you bodily integrity?

It’s a basic human right you dunce

I asked you a question, and you didn't answer.

I did several times you dunce

Oh, did I get a promotion?

No , your workshy .... remember ?

Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't mean it's legal.

If something isn’t “ illegal “ that mean it’s legal you idiot , talk about alternative facts

It wasn't illegal for Hitler to conquer Europe,

It was you fucking cabbage under international law

but that didn't make it legal

If something isn’t illegal then it must be legal you clown

What sort of nonsense is this ?

If something is legal it’s not illegal you prize idiot

Of course I claim this as in I have my own opinion on the matter is that so unusual ?

A beacon of light?

Is this an echo chamber ?

Most scientists admit that they do not know when "life" begins ;)

And ...................

My process of re - educating the lower orders demands commitment, I’m a beacon of light amongst the darkness of ignorance

It would be hard to miss as it’s rather large , just like your inflated ego

his anus shaped mouth.

😂😂 I will never look at his mouth in the same way now

Says the one calling names on a debate website.

That's not name calling that's merely an apt description of you as in you're an idiot

So, people who disagree with you are fish and fish are people who disagree with you?

I never that , I said you have the intellect of a fish which you've demonstrated yet again with this latest piece of gibberish

Says the man/fish/Darwinist that believes women can kill their children as long as they haven't been born yet.

Man Fish ??? Oh yes I forgot you don't understand Evoultion either and now a fetus is a child , you are getting desperate aren't you ?

Where do you get that anti-abortion advocates do this?

you are anti abortion , are you ?

What are you babbling on about ?

Yes, I'm anti-abortion. I'm also anti-Dermot, but that's irrelevant.

You're anti Evolution also so you're consistent in your stupidity

Since you say a baby is different from a fetus biologically, what cells change?

Why not consult a medical textbook ?

Well not my own.

Yes I know

I use your logic.

As in me denying Evolution is fact. , interesting

You're right, I shouldn't be given credit for your faulty logic.

Another typical bit of stupidity from you

What's a garden lawn?

Oh I forgot you don't have them in trailer parks

Also, this doesn't seem to be helping your argument.

The argument is over from the off you've yet to offer a defence

Potential human. It's living. Otherwise, why would it need to rely on the mother for nutrients?

So what ?

No, I admit it's immoral to kill a potential human that also happens to be your child,

Yes you admit it's immoral to prevent a potential human being born ,but it's fine to prevent a potential human being born by using contraception , you're a two faced hypocrite

but I'm pro-contraception.

Yes you're pro abortion

Where have I lied?

Denial now as well , you agreed when I originally corrected you by stating " A potential human " then denied you agreed now to agree agsin making you a liar

How's that? Your only consistent argument is "Her body , her choice".

That's the only argument needed ,

What gives you that choice?

It's not my choice it's the individual's woman's choice , I don't care either way abort or don't , your body your choice

There's no law or amendment giving women "bodily rights", so where do they get them from?

Your ignorance is appalling why not do a bit of research into Roe V Wade in your own country and see what the findings were , you truly are an idiot

Bodily integrity you idiot

Why aren't their choices equal?

It's not his body

Yes, the baby is in the mother, but the baby wouldn't be there without the father.

Amazing , thank you for that

Where do you get this from? You continue to say "Her body, her choice" but the baby isn't solely hers.

So you're saying the man should have a choice but why should his. choice be given equal consideration ?

So you’re fine with him making a choice but not the woman unless she’s anti abortion?

???

You seem to want the man to have a choice but only if it's anti abortion

No one gets the choice to murder legally.

It's not murder you clown and no one is charged with murder for aborting so your stupidity is exposed again , and another correction your government murders people " legally " in prisons and bombing campaigns

You're a liberal.

I'm a humanist you fool

It's only babbling to you because you can't comprehend the words I'm typing.

Incorrect , I cannot comprehend the gibberish you type

Then why have you called it bodily rights in the past?

Same thing you idiot

You act like the terms are interchangeable,

They are you idiot

like sex and gender.

No , that's merely your obsession and Americans in general with gender don't you guys invent a new gender every day ?

I don't need to do research, you're providing me with all the information I need.

I know as in Roe v Wade you're another dense American who gets schooled in American law by a European

I've looked it up, and I still don't understand where they get "bodily integrity" from.

I know your stupidity isn't helping you is it ?

It's not given as a right by the United States government, and ethicality is not a replacement for the law.

But abortion is legal in the states you prize clown as your courts and legislators agree with me as in there is no accepted consensus on when life begins making me right again

If it were, abortion would be illegal.

Prove it

Pro-choice = Pro-abortion, idiot.

Pro choice , idiot

You argued that the facts of Evution may be incorrect like you do on most facts as in above until corrected by your superiors as in me

Trump would most possibly get the shit beaten out of him in the first round , the towel would get thrown in but this would immediately turn into a “ super “ light footed display of boxing brilliance by the Trumpster

The alternative facts of the fight would be tweeted by sycophantic fans , lackies and good old Trumpster himself and everyone presented with strawberry cheesecake and mini American flags

You’re missing nothing , your analysis is perfectly fair and reasonable all the arguments against are merely “begging the question “ and the usual tired worn out emotional nonsense

I would argue a fetus ( and even a fertilized egg ) is a human life

Yes many insist not only that a fetus is a human being, but that this status is an objective scientific fact. Unfortunately, they are assuming the very thing that requires proving, thereby committing the logical fallacy of "begging the question." Biology, medicine, law, philosophy, and theology have no consensus on the issue, and neither does society as a whole. There will never be a consensus because of the subjective and unscientific nature of the claim, so we must give the benefit of the doubt to women, who are indisputable human beings with rights.

It's not a potential human, it is a human.

It’s not , you’ve already admitted as much you idiot in your last post

Here you go ... ..It’s not , it is a “ potential “ human in the making

Fair point.

Your exact words when I said it was a potential human in the making , so why are you lying ?

Already. Women can't give birth to fish.

I’m starting to doubt that as you’re displaying the intellect of a fish

I'm fully aware of your immorality.

You’re a judgemental hypocrite

Where's your evidence?

So you’re now asking me for evidence of what you claim , you are anti abortion are you ?

Also, what makes a fetus' cells different from a newborn's cells?

What this is meant to be getting at I’ve no idea

There was no jump to begin with.

Yes you don’t do logic , my mistake for giving you credit you’re not due

No, you simply don't enjoy it when others use your view and put into any other circumstance.

You mean like your ridiculous garden lawn argument ?

Let me ask, how is it different? Killing an adult and killing a baby?

But a fetus is not a baby it’s a potential life in the making you agreed with this already

How is it that you admit it’s immoral to prevent a potential human to be born yet hypocritically defend abortion which does exactly this ?

I don't assume they're correct because I say they are,

You do until corrected then you resort to lying like your first post on this thread or failing that hypocrisy as in your defence of contraception

It doesn't upset me, but I wish you'd make an argument excluding feelings.

But I’ve destroyed every one of your “ arguments “ so now you’re lying in an attempt to save face

What?

Woman’s body , woman’s choice

And why's that? If not for him, how did the baby get there in the first place?

I said he gets a choice but the woman’s choice takes precedence

No, it's not right.

So you don’t care if the man wishes to abort but you do if it’s the woman ?

See, this is gibberish. What are you saying?

I just told you read above

Then let him make that choice.

So you’re fine with him making a choice but not the woman unless she’s anti abortion?

I can't tell anyone what to do,

But yet people like you if they could would deny them a choice

and neither can you.

That’s why I don’t , I leave it up to the individual woman

Back to being petty, are we?

No , just correcting you again

Well, in that case, what about the 63 other genders some of your liberal friends propose exist ?

My “ liberal friends “ what are you talking about you idiot ?

so she wouldn't be making the choice in the first place.

What are you babbling about ?

Let me ask you this: Who/what gives you "bodily rights"?

It’s actually called bodily integrity why not do some research instead of just shooting your fool mouth off ?

Certainly not the government, there isn't an abortion section of the First Amendment.

Your stupidity is spectacular bodily integrity look it up

, where does she get her bodily rights from?

As above

You stand for abortion, so you clearly aren't being fair to the human you're killing.

I stand for choice so you’re wrong yet again

I can't read the rest of your argument, which is most likely due to you placing your asterisks incorrectly and not proof-reading. I'll be glad to address those when you fix it.

Because to site crashed earlier and I never had the chance to check , anyway it was only me having a laugh at your “ Evolution is not a fact nonsense “ on the other thread

I don’t care either way to be honest ............................

Interesting how the woman doesn't have to accept the consequences of hers actions and “ pay the piper “ ;)

But she does as in it’s a tough decision to make is it not ?

What do you want to happen her ?

So you would allow a woman to kill a human being that relies on her?

You mean a potential human in the making ?

Yes I would allow her to abort is this not clear to you yet ?

. Anti-abortion advocates make the jump from these cells being capable of later on forming a person to the conclusion that these cells are the equivalent of a person. I fail to see how that jump in logic is valid.

Let's take away all factors, except for that their's a human and the woman wants to kill it.

What you mean is “ let’s insert your particular view”” and attempt to force the issue

Is that not murder/manslaughter?

No , it’s merely you asserting it is and being wrong again , why is a woman not jailed for this “crime “ if that’s not the case ?

You make statements that are incorrect and assume they’re correct because you say so , why’s that ?

Why?

Her body , her choice

Excluding "her body, her choice",

Why does that upset you ?

because that response is based on nothing other than the response itself.

What a bizarre statement the response explains perfectly the woman’s position in the matters

What about the father?

What about him ?

Doesn't he get a say?

He does but his wishes are secondary to the woman’s , also I bet he only gets a say if he’s anti abortion isn’t that right ?

Or do you believe he also can only make 1 choice ?

What if he doesn't want an abortion?

What if he does ?

It's his son too,

Potential son /daughter actually

and the mother wouldn't be a mother if not for him.

So what ?

When did I say women shouldn't have any rights over their bodies?

Well you wish to deny the woman a right to abort so that’s a denial of her bodily rights ,are you now denying this ?

I’ve yet to “ get angry “ I’m amused actually , so tell me is this projection on your part ?

You get angry

And that makes you immoral,

Incorrect , I’m perfectly will to allow a woman to carry a child to pregnancy or abort making me a paragon of fairness and morality

saying women can kill their children

It’s children now , no longer a “ fetus “ or even a “baby “ your appeal to emotion is “ touching “ but Victorian melodrama does not work with me

without input from the father.

Again what if the father wants to abort is that “ input “ equally valid ?

Nothing, other than the law considering with abortion you're still killing a potential human.

The law does not say that and if your killing a human being why aren’t you jailed for it ?

But I see at last you agree with me as you’re now also saying “ a potential human “

So it’s not “ children “ or “babies “ anymore but a “ potential human “

By contraception you mean things like birth control pills, correct?

Well done Sherlock

We'll assume that's the focus here.

The giveaway was in the term “ contraception “

Contraception is different than abortion

Quiet similar actually as both are preventative measures

because it stops the potential life from existing in the first place

Exactly what abortion does as in stops a potential life from existing

. In other words, the fetus doesn't exist.

Because you’ve prevented it existing like abortion

With abortion, you're ending the fetus' life.

You’re preventing it from being born the exact function of contraception, making you a ......hypocrite

No, I actually encourage contraception for teens and those who think they don't have the money to raise a child, the same goes for adoption.

So you encourage the prevention of a birth because teens and others may not have the money to raise a child , so if a teen gets pregnant why not encourage abortion or does your hypocrisy not allow this either

No, I'm against terminating a life.

But you’re for preventing a potential child life

No, I'm pro-contraception.

Yes your hypocrisy noted

It is, read this

fe·tus

ˈfēdəs/Submit

noun

an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular, an unborn human baby

Nonsense

A fertilized egg and a cloned cell represent a potential, not an actual human being. It’s a worn cliché, but it bears repeating—an acorn isn’t an oak tree and the egg you had for breakfast isn’t a chicken

Tell that to Mississippi*

I did say “ primitive “ Mississippi “ and it’s inhabitants are not exactly renowned for being “ intellectual powerhouses “ are they ?

Are you a native ?

I ask this because of your views also on Evolution , it is a typical knee jerk Bible Belt retort by American religious nuts to the Evolution is fact statement , this seems to drive a fair amount of mainly Americans insane while the rest of the world know it as fact

A fetus is an unborn human being. Let's get that straight.

It’s not , it is a “ potential “ human in the making , don’t take my word on it consult a medical text

Even if I allow for your assertion that its a “ human being “ so what ?

Yes, I do. I use your reasoning.

Another typically childish response

So, because it's inside another human being, that human being has zero rights?

Correct

and it's a woman's choice whether to abort or not

Again correct

Why does she get to choose whether or not to kill another human being?

Her body , her choice

You've yet to answer.

I keep telling you but for some reason you fail to complain smile statement , let’s try for to 50 th time ...... ready .....listen

Her body, her choice

What gives her the right, other than your faulty logic?

My logic is fine your being childish yet again , so you’re saying a woman should have no rights over her body , that makes you a bully and a tyrant

you have never attempted to address or answer what I asked from the outset

Will I repeat it again for the 51st time ?

What question did you ask? Restate the question and I'll answer it.

I asked you several questions most which you avoided by remaining mute , let’s try one of them again as in ......

What gives you the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body regarding abortion ?

should a woman have a choice to prevent a life been born or not

No.

But contraception is used to prevent a life being born so you disagree with contraception ?

Tripped up on your own logic again , you’ve admitted you’re against preventing a life to be born so therefore to be consistent you have to be against contraception , well ?

The fetus is a human it’s not go consult wiki

and a living human at that.

It’s alive but not as yet a human

I've answered your question,

You avoided mind

now answer mine

I have several times

Again, because I think that abortion is manslaughter

Merely your opinion based on your own view of the situation and thankfully lawmakers and legislators disagree with your primitive viewpoint

and more often than not abortions are impulsive.

What do you base that ridiculous reply on ?

And what should I conclude from that statement ? .......................

Interesting , well in that case the man has to accept the consequences of his actions and “ pay the piper “

You are

I don’t even know what this is meant to mean at this stage

Well you don't know the difference between a fetus an adult and a baby

Considering you spent the whole thread saying a fetus was a baby at last you’re starting to get it that a fetus is not a “ baby “ ,

Why you’re blaming me for what you have only eventually grasped is beyond me .

So when you use your logic to fit your narrative, it's cool, but then somehow it doesn't work when I use the same reasoning to fit my narrative?

You don’t use “ reasoning “ I’ve said from the start a fetus has zero rights to sustenance or useage of a womans body and it’s a woman’s choice whether to abort or not , you have never attempted to address or answer what I asked from the outset as you continue to do a ridiculous dance around terms , why’s that ?

Let’s cut to the chase in an attempt to avoid your childish attempts to avoid actually answering what I keep asking , should a woman have a choice to prevent a life been born or not , if not why not ?

Would you like me to use a different argument? Fine. Let me set the scene:

You're a slaveowner. Your slaves try to revolt. You kill some of them because they're on your land and rely on you to survive, so it's your choice on whether or not to kill them. Doesn't that seem immoral?

Why theses ridiculous analogies ? Is this another avoidance tactic by you ?

Why do you assume you have the right to tell a woman whether she can abort or not ?

And yet you fail to realize your own...

What a “ superb “ reply

It is

It's not

more false logic from Dermot.

You do not understand the first thing about logic

I'm not.

You are

intellect is above the bar for normality, but not by very much.

With this I agree

No "dumbing down" required, just a bit of sense from your side.

Well you don’t know the difference between a fetus an adult and a baby so blaming me on your stupidity is hardly fair

It’s only faultless when it works in your favour

Which is relatively easy when used against your “ arguments “

I’m pretty self aware , though I can’t say the same for you considering the “ arguments you’ve typed so far

Maybe I need a “ front lawn “ argument as common sense eludes you

How’m I the clown

There’s that lack of self awareness again

Your last statement is nonsense and void of implication .... what a surprise

And you say I'm petty?

Yes and pedantic also

A fetus is a human clump of cells with human features.

A fetus is a clump of cells ...... yes

I'd say it's a pretty good analogy,

It's not but if it makes you feel good that's fine

I'm not babbling,

You are

unless you consider arguing like a normal person

If your intellect is the bar for normality , I will attempt to dumb it down for you

I'm also not saying any gibberish unless you consider your own logic gibberish.

No I consider your babble gibberish , my logic is faultless

Also, how'm I the clown?

Self awareness is not one of your strengths is it ?

Also what's how'm mean ?

You're the one running in circles.

Yes , attempting to flee your front lawn gibberish

How is a fetus not a baby?

So a baby is now a fetus and every new baby you see you call a fetus , interesting

An unborn baby is still a baby.

So there's no such thing as a fetus now ?

Maybe a dog fetus isn't a human, but a human fetus is a human.

So you go around calling fellow humans a fetus

That's on you, Derm *^

Says you the pedant

You said "defending your attacks. Why would you defend my attacks?

You're making no sense again

I have been this whole argument.

No , you're still not

I meant strict.

I know just pointing it out as I know how important it is to you

Because abortion isn't legally defined as murder as of 2018.

Yes , so a woman who aborts is not as you falsely claim a murderer

I didn't say you said it, I said what your logic entails.

No , that's what your faulty " reasoning " assumes

But I don't,

You do and I'm not the first to point it out

I'm copying your logic.

You're not and you need to stop stating you use logic when the concept is alien to you

An adult human

Is a human and all that entails

a clump of cells too.

That's a fetus

So, an unborn baby is a nonhuman clump of cells? This makes no sense.

A fetus is a clump of cells , yes a lot of things make no sense to you it seems , maybe if you run off and get your " book "and crayons we can draw you a couple of diagrams ?

Analogy, Derm

Poor Analogy at that

I accept different points of view from people who actually argue instead of spewing the same 3 sentences.

Says the clown who keeps babbling on about front lawns and contradicting his own gibberish

There is no difference, a fetus = a baby.

Incorrect

An unborn baby, at that, but a baby nonetheless.

A clump of cells

Are you not a clump of cells?

I'm a human being and all that entails a fetus is not

I have a problem with your hypocritical statements, but that's it.

Back to insults I see , back that statement up or withdraw it

But I'm making perfect sense.

Yes! You finally realised

Back to being pedantic , oh dear

Why would you defend my attacks

What the hell are you talking about ?

The definition of logic is "reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity".

Yes you should try it some time

I'm using your reasoning

You're not , you're using your faulty reasoning to force a point

assessed according to strick principles of validity to prove my point.

What does the term strick mean ?

And I'm saying that one, abortion is murder

It's not , why then are women who abort not doing life for murder?

and two, that it's okay for you to do anything to anyone on anything you own.

I never said that so stop telling me what I didn't say

It also fits your logic.

It doesn't , you need to work on your logic

Oh dear you just denied you said it

I didn't deny I said it, I denied that you said it. I know I said it.

They're both humans.

They're not unless one attributes new meanings to the term fetus and human

Do my rights as an adult Trump those of a child

No

That's because a fetus is not a child

I'm just saying the fetus shouldn't be treated the same as an inmate would be.

I know what you're saying , I disagree , in your world do you not accept different points of view ?

So, why does the fetus have zero rights "regarding usage of the woman's body"

The woman's rights should always trump any rights real or imagined the fetus actually has

^As you said, it takes two to make a fetus

Don't tell me you disagree with that statement as well ?

so if they took the risk,

Yes unprotected sex is a risk

why doesn't the fetus have any rights?*

As I stated it's a woman's individual choice not mine if she wishes to carry to term fine , if she wants to abort fine as that's her choice not mine or yours

How is that? How did two humans make a non-human?

A fetus

How do you not know the difference between a fetus and a viable baby ?

A human fetus, correct?

A clump of cells

I didn't say a human is a fetus

You did , read above

. Actually, I didn't even say anything about a fetus being a human.

You did read above

But I did comprehend the statement.

You keep saying things then denying you said them as in above , which you will now deny saying no doubt

Also, you are still insulting me.

My rule on here is if you throw the first insult you will get it back , if you play fair so will I

I don't have a problem with it, but it seems hypocritical.

Because it is

But you do have a problem with it otherwise why bring it up ?

Try using Grammarly to prove my point.

You're making no sense

and neither is yours.

It is

1, you still need to work on it.

Stop being pedantic

2, stop being petty, please.

As in pointing out I missed .... spaces , irony or what

It doesn't help your argument.

It's me merely defending your attacks , my argument is sound

By that logic, it's fine to kill anyone on my property because it's my property, my choice.

Again you're using the opposite of logic to attempt to force your point ,

According to your logic, it's fine to kill anything on your property.

I never said that , what I'm saying is it's sbsolutely fine for a woman to abort

I called your opinion on the matter as such

Right, but my opinion is still an opinion about abortion.

We have different opinions yes

it's your exact logic

It's not , your term " exact " is amusing to say the least

. insert noun 1's insert noun 2, insert noun 1's choice.

Still being petty are you ?

No, I meant what I said.

I know it fits your narrative

No one mentioned morality.

Really why are you saying you brought into the discussion then as in .......

I brought it into the discussion.

Oh dear you just denied you said it , no doubt you will deny this

Now is it human or is it not human?

Non human , unless in your world a human is a fetus , well is it ?

If not, what is it?

A fetus , this seems very difficult for you to grasp, why’s that ?

No, actually, you were the one to start the insults when you said "do you not know what that means ?".

That was not an insult as it was merely pointing out your failure to comprehend a simple statement , your incomprehension informed my opinion

As for your grammar, I don't know how you can call yours perfect,

Because it is

regarding the fact

Your “ opinion “ is not factual

you insert spaces before and after commas, question marks,

Get the space police .....quickly

and exclamation marks.

I never use them

You said her body, her choice,

Yes I did

proving my point

Ehhh no

that according to you, it's fine to kill anything on your property.

I never said that , stop lying

First, do you mean puerile?

I did , but I decided to test your pedantry

Second, I wouldn't call any talk about abortion childish.

I didn’t , I called your opinion on the matter as such

No,

Yes

it's your exact logic

It’s not

put into a different circumstance.

You mean to fit your narrative

See how it's now immoral?

Who mentioned immortal except you ? Are you on a different topic ?

Right, I know what you said. But you aren't answering my question. Is it or is it not alive?

Of course it’s alive

do you not know what that means ?

Ah , now you’re resorting to insult I see , my logic is sound you’re the one who does not know what unborn means , regarding grammar yours definitely leaves room for .... vast improvement

think you just proved my point.

You’ve yet to make one

According to you,

No higher authority needed

it's a fine comparison.

It’s not , it’s typically pureile nonsense from you

their land their choice

Their land, their choice.

More puerile nonsense from you

So is it not alive?

I said it's unborn do you not know what that means ?

If so, why does a woman get to kill a living thing just because it's inside her?

Her body , her choice

That's like saying you get to kill any children that are on your lawn.

No it's not , that's a ridiculous comparison

Because it’s unborn that’s why it’s called a fetus .

Embryos and fetuses live inside the womb, and newborn babies live outside the womb.

So the fetus isn't a human?

That’s seems strange to you , unless in your world where people refer to a fetus as human

That seems odd, considering it was created by two humans.

Yes it does seem “odd “ to some

Tell me in law where that " special right " isn't.

Oh ok , you’ve invented new rights that are called special rights that are applicable to a fetus ?

I’m not saying she doesn't have a choice, but I have the right to call her a murderer.

Well yes you would say that but she’s still not a murederer except in your mind

A baby's been born and a fetus hasn't

Yes a fetus is still in a woman’s body , what’s your point ?

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Nothing gives the fetus a right to be born

Correct

So what gives the baby the right to live?

It’s now a separate entity and granted human rights like the rest of us , do you really not know this ?

If a woman chooses to take the risk of having a child, the fetus has "the special right".

Really ? Really tell me in law where that “ special right “ is ?

What parents

You haven’t parents ? Interesting

They took the risk, they should live with the consequences.

They had sex got pregnant their body their choice , why should a woman carry a fetus to term her choice not yours

How's a baby a separate entity but a fetus isn't?

I think you really need to look up the difference in a dictionary because you don’t seem to think there’s any difference

How about you try letting it be born?

I couldn’t care less either way have the child or abort it’s the woman’s choice not mine

Is there something that gives the baby the right to have been born that the fetus doesn't have?

Nothing gives the fetus a right to be born

Why doesn't it have the right?

Does anyone have the right to life and sustenance from your body ? why should a fetus have this “ special right “ ?

You said it isn't a parasite,

Yes I said that

so why doesn't it have the right to live there while I live in my home?

You’ve been granted that right by your parents , why should a woman who wants an abortion be told what to do by a stranger like you ?

What gives you the right to dictate to a woman what she may or may not do with her body ?

A baby as a separate entity to a mother has rights which a fetus does not

Why's that?

Because it’s a separate entity

Does being born give you those rights?

Yes

Well, you said I was incorrect by saying babies rely on their mothers' bodies.

I said a fetus relies on its mother’s body for sustenance over which it has no right it also “ resides “ in the mother’s body which it has no rights to either

Can babies feed themselves? Can babies dress themselves? Change themselves?

A baby as separate entity to a mother has rights which a fetus does not

It takes two to do it , also a fetus has zero rights regarding usage of the woman’s body , a baby is not reliant on the body of the woman for sustenance over which it has no right