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True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:33
Arguments:28
Total Votes:37
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2 men should be allowed to raise boys - what could go wrong?

True.

Side Score: 21
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Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 12
2 points

Yes men should be allowed to parent boys. Your choice of Anakin Skywalker as and example, was puzzling to say the least and ignorant to say the truth.

Young Skywalker did in fact have a mother, who raised him alone until the approximate age of 9.231 Tatooine years. His subsequent years of maturation were supervised by the Jedi order, as were thousands of other children. At an early age Anakin developed a heterosexual attachment to one of the hottest babes in the galaxy, with whom he later married and fathered two children.

Your post seems to imply that two men, raising a boy are somehow more likely to produce a Sith than otherwise would be the case. This diverges from what actually happened, in that Anakin clearly fell into the "dark side" rather than homosexuality.

Side: True.

Don't you just love what Gay adoption and Gay marriage proponents use as some kind of proven evidence? Studies! They have done "studies" on the issue and guess who these studies were done by? Gay marriage activists and those on the Left. These people will never speak about all the Conservative studies that utterly counters their opinions.

Give that study to a teenage boy being raised by two Gay men. Ask that boy how many times he was embarrassed to bring friends home to see his Gay parents. How many times did he keep his home life secret? Now all the Gay activists and supporters will say the same rhetoric of how people need to accept homosexuality as normal and take away the stigma of the unnatural orientation it is. No matter how many times you deny the natural order of things, teenagers are not that stupid and will most times be embarrassed of having two Fathers.

Kids have enough embarrassment from life in general without being subjected to this. There are plenty of parents who want to adopt kids with no need to settle for Gay parents.

Kids need the best we can give them and that would be a mother and father. Kids need both sexes to grow up well balanced.

Side: True.
1 point

Can you provide any non-biased studies that show any harm, out of curiosity? And I said non-biased studies, not ones that are equally likely to have a biased outcome, but in the opposite direction.

"Give that study to a teenage boy being raised by two Gay men. Ask that boy how many times he was embarrassed to bring friends home to see his Gay parents. How many times did he keep his home life secret?" Depends on where he lives. I lived in the Northwest, and nobody made fun of children from same-sex households. Nobody really thought anything of it.

Why do you keep calling homosexuality unnatural, when people have given you plenty of evidence that it exists in nature? Additionally, why do you say it is unnatural as if that would mean it was bad, when you partake in unnatural all the time (we all do)?

"No matter how many times you deny the natural order of things, teenagers are not that stupid and will most times be embarrassed of having two Fathers." Only if they grow up around people like you who tell them they should be embarrassed about it.

"Kids have enough embarrassment from life in general without being subjected to this. There are plenty of parents who want to adopt kids with no need to settle for Gay parents." Actually there aren't. There are not sufficient households looking to adopt for every prospective child to get adopted. Would you rather they not get adopted, rather than get adopted into a loving home that just happens to have a same-sex couple?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

Your statement from the Northwest is a joke. I guess you knew every kid raised by Gay parents. Who do you think you are kidding? Teenagers will make fun of anything and I guarantee you kids would be ashamed of admitting being raised by Gays. Not all kids but the majority in my common sense opinion.

Homosexuality is unnatural and anyone who denies this is wasting our time. You are a brainwashed Politically correct sheep to say otherwise. Spare me the hogwash about Gay animals. When I actually see a Gay animal on TV, I will believe it. I want to see two animals of the same sex having sex and they would refuse to have sex with the opposite sex. It's no where to be found, but keep spewing lies.

Side: True.
1 point

No. The natural state of a family unit consists of a mother and a father. Ideally the child/children, would be reared by their real parents, but not necessarily so. Both genders provide different, but equally essential needs for the child, and growing up in a manner which nature intended will be significantly more likely to produce a well balanced, confident adult. Whilst rearing a child may satisfy the deviant desires of the two males it will eventually fester into a living nightmare for the child. The boy will be more likely to feel insecure, freakish and will have to withstand, or buckle under the inevitable ''slings and arrow'', jibes from his peers during their school years and beyond. This wholly unnatural situation is completely denying the rights and welfare of the child and the motives of any proponent of this abnormal, if not perverted state should be viewed with extreme scepticism.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Atrag(5666) Disputed
3 points

That was probably a valid argument before gay couples began adopting. However, now that there are many children wordwide that have been adopted in this way and we know that they grow up to be perfectly well adjusted. In fact, studies suggest they are on average better adjusting than children brought up with heterosexual parents.

Side: True.
1 point

Or, the boy may grow up to be a more balanced, secure and confident adult after having been forced to learn how to deal with the ''slings and arrows.''

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Can you provide any studies that back up your claims, out of curiosity?

Side: True.
1 point

No. The natural state of a family unit consists of a mother and a father. Ideally the child/children, would be reared by their real parents, but not necessarily so. Both genders provide different, but equally essential needs for the child, and growing up in a manner which nature intended will be significantly more likely to produce a well balanced, confident adult. Whilst rearing a child may satisfy the deviant desires of the two males it will eventually fester into a living nightmare for the child. The boy will be more likely to feel insecure, freakish and will have to withstand, or buckle under the inevitable ''slings and arrow'', jibes from his peers during their school years and beyond. This wholly unnatural situation is completely denying the rights and welfare of the child and the motives of any proponent of this abnormal, if not perverted state should be viewed with extreme scepticism.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

If we're allowed to cite works of fiction, I'd like to put forth "GNOS" (NSFW; inflammatory prejudiced material).

A... lovely work of fiction that depicts how terrible mixed-gender society is, and glorifies an all-male, all-gay utopian ideal, once that whole pesky business of reproduction is patched around so that the women folk aren't needed.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Even the most obtuse observer, will, after just a glimpse of the male and female human anatomy and after the ensuing analysis of ''the naughty bits'', be able to figure out the natural order of things. Throughout almost all the animal kingdom it is the mother's maternal and protective instincts which ensures the survival of it's offspring. The intrinsic bond between mother and child is an inherent characteristic of this relationship. Tens of thousands of reports give accounts of even the toughest,wounded and dying soldiers crying out for their mothers. I've never heard of anyone in a near to death situation, call out, oh where is my deviant sexually oriented father? Gay males have every right to live together just as much as heterosexual couples have. Gay couples make this choice as mature adults. It is however, wholly wrong to involve a baby or child in a selfish and mercenary attempt to enhance what is an unnatural relationship.

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Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Tens of thousands of reports give accounts of even the toughest,wounded and dying soldiers crying out for their mothers. I've never heard of anyone in a near to death situation, call out, oh where is my deviant sexually oriented father?

Right. Usually they shout ou "oh where is my heterosexually oriented mother? :("

Side: True.
1 point

So why do you believe that homosexuality exists in nature?

Side: True.
1 point

Like I stated. Let's see your viewpoint on the thread,leave me out of the equation. My educational background and current professional status are subjects well outside the parameters of of this issue. Whether you can recognise it or not your apparent obsession with me is akin to being stalked by a demented cyber manic. Be advised, I've done with you, so your ramblings shall go unread, well, by me at any rate. If you find it impossible to continue your life without poking snide remarks at me, why don't you open up a subject for debate. Kalamazoo ;- the most remarkable phenomenon to hit CreateDebate in it's history.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Was this in response to me? There are buttons at the bottom of each post that says "support" "dispute" or "clarify".

Side: True.
1 point

Like I stated. Let's see your viewpoint on the thread,leave me out of the equation. My educational background and current professional status are subjects well outside the parameters of of this issue. Whether you can recognise it or not your apparent obsession with me is akin to being stalked by a demented cyber manic. Be advised, I've done with you, so your ramblings shall go unread, well, by me at any rate. If you find it impossible to continue your life without poking snide remarks at me, why don't you open up a subject for debate. Kalamazoo ;- the most remarkable phenomenon to hit CreateDebate in it's history.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

I honesty could care less what others want to do, but I'm sure as hell glad it didn't happen to me. It could seriously sway a child's personality or way of life. And no, before you bombard me, I don't have any studies. I know from personally observing divorced couples who have a child that lives with either solely the mom or dad.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
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For your yodeling practice why don't you improvise and try your local library. Those people who feel they have to make boastful and unverifiable statements about their alleged achievements are almost always among life's biggest losers. How the anonymity of the computer offers everyone the opportunity to be a ''rocket surgeon'', ha. Keep copying, that's what you're good at. Why don't you try to state your own, independent opinion without using other people's posts as a foundation.

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Atrag(5666) Disputed
3 points

What I cited wasn't a 'post' from someone stating their opinion. I'm sorry if you dont understand what an academic study is but I'm not going to stop using them because you're too uneducated to understand how they differ from opinion. Do you want me to try and explain it to you?

Side: True.
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

Ya got a point there BUT

Academic studies most certainly have varied degrees of validity. However they are too often cited as the final word on a subject under debate. Studies are not necessarily more valid than considered opinion.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

If you have to explain it, it ruins the joke.

Side: True.
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Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
2 points

says the person that doesn't know how this site works.

Side: True.
Atrag(5666) Disputed
2 points

But to use the site to mindlessly copy out the viewpoints of others

We can safely assume you have never studied anything at a higher education level if you think finding a study is "copying". I stated my opinion and then I searched for sources to see whether my opinion was correct or not. I found a study that suggests my opinion was and showed it. Did you expect me to do the study myself? I'm afraid I don't have the time nor the expertise in child development.

What do you do? You had a prejudice, formed an opinion and then started writing a load of baseless rhetoric to try and persuade people you are right. Who is the stupid one again? :/

Now, old bean, why don't you go and practice yodeling up the canyon

There are no canyons near my medical school to yodel into.

Side: True.
lupusFati(790) Clarified
1 point

I would totally yodel if I had a canyon around here .

Side: True.