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If a lesbian has a sex change operation, is she still a lesbian?
In 1995, Bono posed for the cover of the gay magazine The Advocate and began working for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD). Now that she's having a sex change operation, is she still considered gay? What if, after the operation, she decides she likes men after all?
i was part of the Essembly debate site for 3 years until it died last month. People could vote on old debates, but the site never notifed you of the new activity. You had to click back tons of pages and scan all the debates to see if there was a new vote. This site is much better in that regard. I'm running out of new debates to comment on, so I'll be exploring old ones. It helps get a sense of people's interests, concerns and personalities here.
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Assigning words to a specific meaning is a human traight. If you like, I guess we can give up on language and just grunt. You know, like Tim Allen on that show, "Home Improvement." We can be like, "Huh?!" But the sentiment would still be the same, confusion, so... ;)
I'm not saying don't explain it. In fact you already did in the title of this debate. What I'm saying is that sometimes things don't conveniently fit into one of our predefined labels, and it's stupid to force them.
I disagree that we need words for every new complex idea. If the situation becomes common enough, then maybe there should be a term for it, but I don't think that's what you were originally asking...an this can be evidenced by the form of debate you chose. Had you merely been looking for a term you would more then likely have created I popularity contest and not a two-sided debate.
Obviously the main incentive was to make a joke, but it appears that you still want to put this person into one of two easily defined categories. Either she's a man now, or she's a lesbian...and I disagree with that premise.
I think that we should call it gender based anatomy reassignment and gender based chemical alterations.
This way it is less confusing. Sex change implies that a man becomes a woman. While he may look like a woman, and act like a woman he isn't a woman. For that you would have to do the impossible 'Gender based Genetics Alteration'. As long as that y chromosome is there, you can't call him a her.
Though, a lesbian who undergoes a Gender Based Anatomy Reassignment is still a lesbian because she likes women.
Does she still have female reporductive organs? Does she still have the 'XX' chromosomes? She can look like a male, she can have a penis like a male - but her chromosomes say it all: she is a female.
But which chromosomes? There are people known as chimeras who actually have two sets of DNA. One theory of their origin is that they are fraternal twins whose zygotes have merged. One woman nearly lost her children because a genetic test initially showed her DNA did not match. It wasn't until they took a DNA sample from her uterus instead of her mouth that showed she had two sets. So what if a person has both male and female DNA? Maybe the set that is opposite of the genitals formed the brain or the hormone producing organs.
This is not to say that all homosexuals are like this. After all there are those who most certainly identify themselves as the same gender they sexually desire. For that matter there are those who are "straight" who identify themselves as opposite the external gender they were born to.
What makes you think either one is gross. They're simply choosing to take the final step in what they believe they were meant to be. It's too bad that you are that hard hearted and can't understand what a person like this goes through emotionally before they make that decision.
A man attracted to women (a.k.a. a Lesbian after a sex change) is a straight man. A man attracted to men (a.k.a. a Lesbian after a sex change who then becomes attracted to men) is a gay man.
You know, that sorta makes sense. I mean, men have been saying that fake boobs are just as good as the real thing. I think it's about time women started saying that a fake penis is just as good as a real penis when it comes to making you a man. Men are defined by their penis (whether that penis is real or not is besides the point). ;)
and I guess depending on how you define a man and a woman, I guess you could say they never were, like if you're going by their mind instead of their body.
like a lesbian would be a woman who feels she's a woman, but still likes other women.
It's basically what she ... now he ... identifies as. Often, the most important part of a gender transition is the identity, not the surgery (although the surgery is probably the biggest move). Female-to-male transsexuals pick a name and identify as a man long before they undergo surgery; many start taking doses of testosterone to aid the transition.
So, she is not a lesbian, because she is a he, and he is a man. Identity is more important within our society than biology.
For all intents and purposes any person having a sex change is then the gender they chose to be. One cannot be a lesbian after the change and one cannot be a gay male after the operation, even though the plumbing, as it were, is not totally intact. I've known men who have been through it and they are all considered to be a woman no matter what, albeit a sex change. Whether or not she/he would be considered whatever they chose to be in a court of law is all that matters in these cases.
The "plumbing" of a male turned into a female looks similar to the real thing, yes. I've not seen a female turned into a male, however...SO DON'T ASK!!!! LOL