The USSR enforces their views on people, because that is what gets them power, when the people agree with them on everything, when the people are forced to agree with the views of those in power it reinforces their power. Their is correlation between atheism and socialism/communism, but simply that, a correlation.

My point is people don't need religion to control people.

No, that is a good point, but if someone says they are doing it in the name of X, and they can't possibly be doing it for anything else, then I am going to take their word for it. Thing is, you can't use a lack of belief to justify anything, I can't say "I am going to do this because I don't believe in a god" but you can say "I am going to do this because I believe in a god that commands me to".

Okay the USSR killed people in the name of Atheists so do you think it should count.

Well, it causes them to be ignorant of science, and stifles them in reality that way, it also stifles the scientific progress of society.

I am simply stating that most people it wouldn't significantly effect.

What do you mean here?

It's called the marriage penalty.

People don't want to acknowledge the responsibility religion has for it's effects because they don't like the idea of acknowledging their religion having blood on it's hands. Not every christian is the same, not every muslim is the same, not every jew is the same, and they are not responsible for what results of their religion (unless they actually took part) but their religion IS responsible.

I'm talking about Christianity.

Okay thanks for the help for debating! So only for the parts your disputing........

OK maybe she is. Just because I am not easily convinced of other people being a sock puppet account without proper evidence being given does not mean I am one myself.

Sounds like a mass panic!

Who knows? You can never be certain that some one isn't.

At this point I don't know..............

The guilty always are the first to accuse others.

So your saying he is another sock-puppet account?

Christianity originated from Judaism. Judaism was made up to control people.

How so?

Christianity came into being through exaggeration and rumors about a man from Israel who tried to reform Judaism and was later used to control others.

How so?

It's starting to seem like everyone IS a puppet account.

What happens if we're all just 4-5 people on this site with an army of sock puppets?

You sure do like to defend the most obvious of puppet accounts. I'm starting to think you might be one, as well.

You think everyone is a puppet account don't you?

Perhaps Christianity wasn't invented to control people but what is originated from (Judaism) was.

What do you mean?

OK you are a Christian right, so you must think that all Religions other than Christianity and Judaism were made up and there must be a reason why for this. Do you not think this could not have been for power and money? If they were then why can it no be true for Christianity?

Christianity was violently opposed by the Roman Empire in it's formation. Why would they create a religion to control people that said to turn the other cheek. It is a fact some Christians even refused to be in their armies. They also wouldn't bow down to the emperors such as Nero. Nero hunted and hated the Christians so much that some scholars think that John of Patmos in the Book of Revelation was talking about Nero when talking about the Anti-Christ! I do not believe that is what John of Patmos was talking about but I will say that it would be very strange for the Roman Empire to start a religion just to cause political instability! There is also no evidence that it was made for political control. Christians also do not believe political leaders are Gods or Demigods as they are Monotheist. It would make no sense for the Emperor to make a religion that would say he wasn't God!

It has controlled people in being able to get a lot of their wealth through out history and has been used as an excuse to go to war, to colonize, enslave people and other things. It has been used as a political instrument.

Fair enough I thought you meant like a deep conspiracy by all countries or something.

Got any evidence that the original religions were made up?

It's failed as all it's done is make other tribes more likely to fight each other then anything. If it was meant to control people it has done a horrible job.

Turn's out she is one of Danny's apparent puppet accounts it's confusing to say the least.

Huh? Dude, maybe you should go take a nap. You're awfully confused.

Actually I have to go to bed in a minute or so....

Wait he is prodigee? This is getting more and more confusing....

Well duh. He is real. His "persona" that I used here isnt. I dont think he has a clue. I just based my shit off his so I couldn't get caught.

Are you going to tell him?

Your apparently real or at least danny2themax

https://www.google.com/#q=danny2themax

Of course not stupid.

No............ Danny2themax is a real person apparently.....

I'm just enjoying the fun. Taking on new personalities based on others. It's fun.

Are those real people?

No, I'm going to let "Danny" continue playing pretend.

I'm so confused right now....

Do you think this is my site lol? Plus, does your "boss" allow you to up the scale?

Are you going to start like some CD war?

Do you think this is my site lol? Plus, does your "boss" allow you to up the scale?

What did you just start?

I don't hate it, I just don't have the space for all the games I am interested in, which is why I download them on the computer. (Well, the ones I can find)

Console games take up a lot less space I think.

I just think it helps to showcase which parts of the argument you are disputing.

He had a bunch of different accounts. But you know all about that, don't you?

I do now!

Strong debater, though I feel that some arguments she posts contain pseudo-intellect.

What arguments are you referring too?

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Hey, remember when you used to argue with yourself? That was funny. Do you still do that?

How do you argue with yourself?

I don't got one, cus y'now, PC gamer and stuff. Yep. Living the dream.

Why don't you like console gaming?

Are you mad at me? I don't mean for it to be annoying I just thought that was what you are supposed to do.

Why did I get downvoted? I would like to get an explanation instead of a downvote?

Yes, I will look into it!

Also is there anyway to get Createdebate more money?

Why the fuck would you say that to Andy's face?... You untactful fuck.

I was just thinking how we can raise some money.

Think it is 16,700 or something. I hate multi player achievements as they are so hard to get if the servers shut down!

Please don't make drama I will tell you yes I do but you need to understand that I do it because I care about my dog I understand that my dog has sexual feeling that it needs to be let out there is nothing better that another animal can do that I can't.

I'm seriously worried about you.....

I think you need help because you can't understand a god dam thing about animals or the law.

I do know that zoophilia is illegal.....

Why not bug off and fuck a human if your so good you would not be here loser.

So your telling me that is a insult?

I am seriously worried about you......

Also I actually think he is serious and literally needs help I am not joking.

Run-on sentences, hideous spelling, pathetic grammar... why should anyone pay any attention to you? Oh! You want to fuck your dog... yeah, you're a troll and if you're not then you need help from a professional

I think he's both!

Run-on sentences, hideous spelling, pathetic grammar... why should anyone pay any attention to you? Oh! You want to fuck your dog... yeah, you're a troll and if you're not then you need help from a professional

Remember he said football players can't read.

Where?

Such as "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind".

- Tacitcus

Ugh! Dude... I told you to stop repeating everything or at least break it down:

It's a habit....

Internet

Fine that is possible

Who is going to do what? It's the internet and this site's resources are limited.

I don't know? I was thinking of banning him....

Will I am pretty sure it is legal too I would not be talking about it if there wasn't.

Look it up....

Yes but what's the difference if I love him and another animal love him. We are both physically able to do the act with out hurting each other.

I'm pretty sure your a troll..........

The ability to filter out debaters and trolls with a special debate filter.

I seriously doubt it... he's a kid trolling. He has multiple accounts... his "Goodmale" account claims to be a 28 year old man (LOL) and his latest account claims to be a 23 year old female who is gettin' it from her two year old German Shepard.

It's ridiculous. ALL of his accounts use really poor grammar and they can't spell, that's the give-away. He uses the spell check now but it doesn't catch stooopid mistakes that all his accounts make like:

my self instead of "myself"

hole instead of "whole"

alot instead of "a lot"

He has multiple accounts, about six, maybe more, and he up/down votes all day long. Meh? Who cares really? Andy isn't going to do anything about it because it creates more traffic.

How would a kid know about sex with animals?

Also why wouldn't they do anything about it? I mean he certainly sounds serious.....

You are wrong it's legal in like 15 states and some countries.

I'm pretty sure it's not.... I am not going to look it up because I don't want to be on some government watchlist....

Yea, like Skype for debating. Idk, i think it would be cool.

It would be interesting. I don't think this site has enough people to support it.

Please don't make drama I will tell you yes I do but you need to understand that I do it because I care about my dog I understand that my dog has sexual feeling that it needs to be let out there is nothing better that another animal can do that I can't.

I am making "drama" because you admitted to doing something that is illegal.

Please don't make drama I will tell you yes I do but you need to understand that I do it because I care about my dog I understand that my dog has sexual feeling that it needs to be let out there is nothing better that another animal can do that I can't.

You do realize it is against the law correct? I'm sure there are dogs that do love him.

How about a live video debate system? I think that would be cool!

Like skype?

Yes, I will look into it!

What I was thinking is it could be split into a chat and a debate section like where you can talk to everyone at once. The only possible problem is it might distract from the debating but it is better than people chatting on the debates.

Yes, I will look into it!

Thanks LittleMisfit said this site doesn't have enough money?

It's creepy to say the least..... I am actually worried about him. He could be trolling.

I personally believe Createdebate should add a chat section.

My point is that why should another being pay for your mistakes. It is wrong to kill someone for another persons wrong doings and also then why should it be there choice when it comes to sex with them and not anything else.

Raping them is different then simply chaining them and such.

Animals don't have a choice we are forcing something that they don't have a say in it. Why should they pay because we was stupid to breed lots of animals back in the day but know we are trying to fix are mistake on them and not us. It's are fault not there's we should be fixing are mistake not them!!! We should not be taking a advantage of them just because they can't get up and rise in curt to say yes or no to this!!!

They don't have a choice in a lot of things.... Your point?

Are we persecuting kids by saying they can't talk about their dick at school? He isn't allowed to talk about his Bible, big deal. That isn't hostility or ill-treatment, sorry. Those are just rules.

That's still persecution and why shouldn't he be able to talk about his bible?

If you're still here three years from now... I'm betting you'll be a little sarcastic too. ;)

Get bored eventually?

This, I can agree with. Buddhism operates in a similar way, except the adherents are taught from the get-go that his stories are parables meant to explain difficult concepts and are not to be taken literally.

He copied Drawfour's argument.....

Oh... well dang, i thought this was going to point out all of the religions predating Christianity yet holds the same stories.

Such as?

Uhhhh.... it was a joke... that's why I didn't dispute him.

I'm assuming your sarcastic a lot?

The problem with religion (not just christianity) is when morality is based upon simply, what god approves of and dissaproves of, it can be used as kind of a free for all, or for whatever moral stance you want to take

So not believing in any God can be used for it? The USSR wasn't very moral for their State Atheism?

You have things like the crusades,

Funded by Kings along with the Pope. Also you could blame the USSR for the same thing. My point is saying your doing it in the name of something doesn't mean you are. It is a double-edged sword as it could also be used against the USSR State Atheism murders of Religious persons.

preaching to other countries that condoms are wrong

Only Catholics mostly

thus contributing the spreading of aids,

Possibly

fighting evolution in school,

I believe in Theistic Evolution but I don't see why believing in Young Earth Creationism hurts kids as I was a Young Earth Creationist for a long time.

not allowing homosexuals to marry,

In the United States it sometimes hurts to marry.

etc. Harm of Christianity (or any religion for that matter) isn't overhyped, if anything underhyped because people are sensitive about their beliefs.

We find religion to be superstitious so when it effects morality across the globe... that's scary. Think of it this way, if majority of the world population believed that the way people should conduct themselves in society should be based upon bigfoot, or what bigfoot agrees or disagrees with... you'd find that disturbing wouldn't you?

Even if God isn't real I don't see how it's harmful.

Your point about people being sensitive?

There is not really persecution in America, sorry.

There was a 1st grader to my knowledge that says she wasn't allowed to talk about the bible at school.

Persecution is The act or practice of persecuting on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs that differ from those of the persecutor

Persecuting means subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of their race or political or religious beliefs.

That is hostility is it not?

The World would be a better place without it.

There would be a lot less soup kitchens and hospitals......

Soooo.... I take it you've cancelled your subscription to the Christian Science Monitor?

Christian Science is not Christian nor Science........

They are complaining about the persecution in America. That is hype.

There's persecution everywhere....

You know what sounds overhyped? A war on Christmas. You know what sounds overhyped? Christians complaining about persecution. I think the hype on Christians is accurate.

By a War on Christmas to my knowledge just means that people don't say Christmas anymore a lot in some places. Is it overhyped? Yes.....

How are Christians complaining about persecution hype?

So the people who are being killed for being Christians in North Korea hype? Or do you mean Iraq?

Some fundamentalists think God hates fags and they should picket the funerals of soldiers.

Only Westboro Baptist Church to my knowledge does that.....

If he wants everyone to be saved, why create sin in the first place? If being gay is bad, why would he create gay people at all if he wanted no one to be bad?

The bible never says God created sin.

I hear people talking about Westboro Baptist Church and such things and claim it applies to almost all Christians it seems like. I also hear about how there is a mass persecution of Atheists by Christians when I live at the edge of the bible belt or so and Atheists are never bullied where I live at the school I go to. I actually think one of the Atheists at my school is pretty popular and almost doesn't effect your reputation. In my honest opinion it is just hype.

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The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence

May 13th, 2007 | Atheism | History | Mythology

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The similarities between the stories and characters in the Bible and those from previous mythologies are both undeniable and well-documented. It is only due to extreme the extreme religious bias that pervades our world today that people rarely get exposed to this information.

In this short piece I’ll attempt to show blatant similarities with regard to two of the most important Biblical narratives: the Genesis story and the character of Jesus Christ.

The Book of Genesis’s Flood Story Mirrors The Epic Of Gilgamesh From Hundreds Of Years Earlier

Here are a number of elements that both Gilgamesh and the flood story in Genesis share:

God decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.

God knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.

God ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew), and the hero initially complained about the assignment to build the boat.

The arc would have many compartments, a single door, be sealed with pitch and would house one of every animal species.

A great rain covered the land with water.

The arc landed on a mountain in the Middle East.

The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.

The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.

The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

Keep in mind the level of detail in these similarities. It’s not a matter of just a flood, but specific details: three birds sent out, resisting the call to build the arc, and a single man being chosen by God to build the arc.

Then consider that the first story (Gilgamesh) came from Babylon — hundreds of years before the Bible was even written. Do you honestly think, based on the similarities above, that those who wrote the Genesis story had not heard the Gilgamesh story?

And if they had heard it, and they were simply rehashing an old, very popular tale, what does that say about the Bible? '

A simple explanation is assuming the flood was real that it would be passed on for generations.

Jesus’s Story Is An Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters

Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it’s not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.

Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.

Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world. Prophets foretold his birth and claimed he would be a king, which started a search by a leader who wanted to kill him. He walked on water and told his mother, “Don’t cry, I’m going to heaven.” when he died. As he passed he said, “It is finished.“

Dionysus was literally the “Son of God”, was born of a virgin mother, and was commonly depicted riding a donkey. He healed the sick and turned water to wine. He was killed but was resurrected and became immortal. His greatest accomplishment was his own death, which delivers humanity itself.

Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.

Osiris’s son, Horus, was known as the “light of the world”, “The good shepherd”, and “the lamb”. He was also referred to as, “The way, the truth, and the life.” His symbol was a cross.

Mithra‘s birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he’ll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he’s the Sun God). His followers called themselves “brothers”, and their leaders “fathers”. They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.

Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.

Buddha‘s mother was told by an angel that she’d give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself “the son of man” and was referred to as, “prophet”, “master”, and “Lord”. He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn’t strong enough.

Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, “The Son of God”.

The problem, of course, is that these previous narratives existed hundreds to thousands of years before Jesus did.

I couldn't find any info on Asklepios that says he was called that. I also looked up Hercules and no where does he say 'It is finished'. For Dionysus here is what Wikipedia states about his birth.......

Dionysus had a strange birth that evokes the difficulty in fitting him into the Olympian pantheon. His mother was a mortal woman, Semele, the daughter of king Cadmus of Thebes, and his father was Zeus, the king of the gods. Zeus' wife, Hera, discovered the affair while Semele was pregnant. Appearing as an old crone (in other stories a nurse), Hera befriended Semele, who confided in her that Zeus was the actual father of the baby in her womb. Hera pretended not to believe her, and planted seeds of doubt in Semele's mind. Curious, Semele demanded of Zeus that he reveal himself in all his glory as proof of his godhood.

Though Zeus begged her not to ask this, she persisted and he agreed. Therefore he came to her wreathed in bolts of lightning; mortals, however, could not look upon an undisguised god without dying, and she perished in the ensuing blaze. Zeus rescued the fetal Dionysus by sewing him into his thigh. A few months later, Dionysus was born on Mount Pramnos in the island of Ikaria, where Zeus went to release the now-fully-grown baby from his thigh. In this version, Dionysus is born by two "mothers" (Semele and Zeus) before his birth, hence the epithet dimētōr (of two mothers) associated with his being "twice-born."

In the Cretan version of the same story, which Diodorus Siculus follows,[35] Dionysus was the son of Zeus and Persephone, the queen of the Greek underworld. Diodorus' sources equivocally identified the mother as Demeter.[36] A jealous Hera again attempted to kill the child, this time by sending Titans to rip Dionysus to pieces after luring the baby with toys. It is said that he was mocked by the Titans who gave him a thyrsus (a fennel stalk) in place of his rightful sceptre.[37] Zeus turned the Titans into dust with his thunderbolts, but only after the Titans ate everything but the heart, which was saved, variously, by Athena, Rhea, or Demeter. Zeus used the heart to recreate him in his thigh, hence he was again "the twice-born." Other versions claim that Zeus recreated him in the womb of Semele, or gave Semele the heart to eat to impregnate her.

The rebirth in both versions of the story is the primary reason why Dionysus was worshipped in mystery religions, as his death and rebirth were events of mystical reverence. This narrative was apparently used in several Greek and Roman cults, and variants of it are found in Callimachus and Nonnus, who refer to this Dionysus with the title Zagreus, and also in several fragmentary poems attributed to Orpheus.[citation needed]

The myth of the dismemberment of Dionysus by the Titans, is alluded to by Plato in his Phaedo (69d) in which Socrates claims that the initiations of the Dionysian Mysteries are similar to those of the philosophic path. Late Neo-Platonists such as Damascius explore the implications of this at length.[38]

I would hardly call that a virgin birth as it claims. For him turning the water into wine there is no historical evidence that I could find that he did this. There is no evidence for him being crucified. Osiris wasn't born of a virgin as that link claims. Horus sign was not a cross and he was not born of a virgin it went actually like this.......

Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish,[7][8] or sometimes by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account (see Osiris) used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a gold phallus[9] to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving).

Once Isis knew she was pregnant with Horus, she fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son.[10] There Isis bore a divine son, Horus.

-Wikipedia

Also Horus was never called The Way, The Truth and the Life. The bible never claims Jesus Christ was born on December 25. The bible never has a "holiday" if you want to call the Sabbath it is on Friday night to Saturday night not on Sunday.

All of what you are saying is not based on fact.

ANYONE WHO IS NOT CHRISTIAN

How can you be Christian if it was before Jesus Christ was born in 4 BC?

try to focus...i know thats hard for a delusional twit such as your self

i will repeat it...

tell me what you think of the whole 3 day/died on the cross stuff...and how the sun does the exact thing?

My point is Jesus wasn't probably born on December 25th and Christmas partially comes from Saturnalia which Catholic Church possibly at that time chose to include as Christmas so pagans would convert to Catholicism......

Also the whole 3 day/died on the cross for the other deities were mostly made up by the movie maker and what is with calling me delusional twit and stuff (for simple disagreement?).

Also the 3 days itself means nothing more than a coincidence.

Okay I think I am pretty good but not like a grandmaster level currently but I hope to get there!

I still wouldn't allow them to play Grand Theft Auto even when they're 16 or 17. I am 17, and I am not allowed to play it.

You can buy it when your 17 by yourself.

probably? your point? lol

well for some reason your people were lead to believe the 25th is his birthday...tell me what you think of the whole 3 day/died on the cross stuff...and how the sun does the exact thing?

have you ever considered getting a lawyer and sueing all the people (pastor, parents/etc) that helped turn you into a nutjob? id be pissed if i were you

How am I a nutjob? Also there was no 3 kings too that was also made up. There were 3 kings.

what day then?.....and how do you know exactly what day that whore mary spit him out? is there a copy of his birthcertificate in the the bible or some shit?

My point is that Jesus was probably not born on December 25th.

Yes! Next question.

Are you good? Also what is your elo rating?

I've played Chess on and off and currently have an Elo ranking of 1381 or so.

the 3 zeitgeists films are so good...they should be showing them to high school students. aside from the religion stuff in Z...those movies are full of need to know/understand info.

fuck you, fuck jesus christ and fuck that over used word "debunked"...let be guess the bible debunked it? and im going to burn in hell for blasphemy (the most unforgivable sin! lol?

so you dont believe thats one hell of a coincidence about the sun being at its lowest point (southern crux/cross) for 3 days RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS and then coming back to life? or did that scientific fact copy the farce of JC?

Jesus wasn't born on December 25......

Yeah I would but only if they were a certain age. I started playing M rated games when I was in middle school. It also depends on the video game. If it's Grand Theft Auto then no.

Even if there like 16-17?

Couldn't of put it better myself. I don't know why this argument is so popular when it has been debunked over and over again?

Sure ya can... But the site doesn't have enough users to support a second, viable community. I've been here for three years and very few weeks a new person comes along, complains about trolls, talks about changin' things but it isn't going to change. Accept the site for what it is. The trolls aren't so bad once you get to know them.

Fair enough but if you all work together.

Snake Handling Preacher Jamie Coots Dies of Snake Bite! Your thoughts?

Ironic to say the least.

Clearly a contender for this year's Darwin Award. The verses about handling snakes aren't even in the oldest manuscripts of the Bible; someone added that part later. I guess he should have done his homework before playing with snakes.

I am actually sad for him as Mark 16:9-20 probably was added later.

Well, what does physical age really objectively tell us. Kids mature along a pretty wide spectrum. Or they may be very advanced in some areas but behind the curve in others. I mean are all kids over 16 really mature enough to drive. Are all who are under not?

It depends on the kid but I meant the average.

Is it because of realism ?

The infamous torture scene I've read about.

The gritty language (wouldn't want my kid to cuss like a sailor at school)

The violence I'm lightly-moderately concerned about and the drugs.

I've also heard of sexuality which I am extremely concerned about.

Sorry, I didn't see the age difference between the two kids at first. Question though, does an arbritary age choice on our part really make a difference?

What do you mean?

Yeah... but good luck. It's been tried over and over again. It's best to just stop bitchin', ignore the stuff you don't like and debate on.

Hey! Who you callin' normal anyway?

Well I guess you can try again?

All these debates about trolls and replying to yourself.... well, it's going to start to make you look like the troll you complain about.

I already posted it and wanted to add more.

If I were to have children, I would work hard to ensure they can identify between reality and fantasy and establish why certain things (particularly violence) that are glorified in media are undesirable in the real world.

Also, I would likely engage in mild censorship when they were very young..mostly to avoid nightmares on their part.

But, honestly, I don't see the point in hiding arbitrarily controversial entertainment from children. Besides, if they are half as determined to work expose themselves to such entertainment as I was, it would be a waste of both of our time.

Question: What types would allow and what types not?

Like I would not give a 9 year old Grand Theft Auto V for example but might be ok if they got Halo 4 for their 11 birthday.

It also depends on their maturity and age and other things.

I would never let an 6 year old for example play Grand Theft Auto V

That privilege could be revoked....but overall I have intention of censoring my kids...although I also have no intention of having kids either..

Depends on the game in my opinion.

Then don't come to a debate with that word in the question.

He's just writing garbage to get points.

It really hurts createdebate to see trolls with 400 more points than everyone fill the leaderboards and spam the debates with garbage.