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All progress is dependent on the unreasonableness of the progressives (i.e., liberals)

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Hear hear, don't make society accept homosexuality just find a quiet spot in the woods and get on with it.

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Being unreasonable is a direct result of being irrational.

Liberals/progressives are irrational..., they are unreasonable..., and they are the ones changing the world. This is why the world does NOT make any sense at all. How do you like progress now?

Libertarians want to destroy it all and start over.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are trying to maintain the status quo. They are trying to manage the current level of irrational, unreasonable, progress ;)

Side: True

The term Progressive is actually an oxymoron because government force never leads to prosperity nor progress. Only free people can progress humanity.

Progressives should rename themselves to regressives.

Side: True
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That's pretty much one of the first rules any economics professor will teach. The more governmental restrictions on a business, the less overall efficiency the company has. When I had an economics class a few years back, he didn't just teach that, he had to prove it to us.

Side: True

I decided for myself along time ago that "liberal", "conservative," "Democrat," "Libertarian," etc. are all just words made up by people who don't like to think for themselves. We're a society of sheep, people that like to have platforms, rather than think things threw for themselves. When you have a platform, you don't have to necessarily have a position any more. You can just say "well, I'm with this group and they think this, so I think this." That's just laziness and people giving away so much of their own power. That's why the political parties have become so popular.

But I really think it's a waste of time to get into all of that. I think it's more important for people realize that we can only control ourselves. We can't change the world, but we can change ourselves. And that's better.

I recently just came back to the states from Europe and even setting things like government and politics aside, Europe is far more advanced. I'm not even referring to things that cost money or require government. I'm talking about people building families and communities and living and working together, making better, healthier decisions for themselves.

There was such a culture of mutual respect for every individual there that I was kind of overwhelmed by it. And people could disagree intelligently and have differing view points with the other person being a piece of shit. In America, we have developed this cultural attitude of "Fuck you and fuck you and fuck you". And nobody can work together on anything. And that guy guy over there disagrees with me on this, therefore he must hate America, so fuck him to. And how can anyone possibly get anything done constructively in that kind of culture? Really?

We don't really have constructive dialog on anything in this country. It usually goes strait to playground rules of Third grade. Most of the time we're not even discussing ideas anymore. Instead, we've made silly little names to call each other. Dumbacrats, Libtards, etc. Really? Does that help? Instead, why don't you actually tell me how you would like to improve healthcare for example, what steps you think need to be taken, or even why it doesn't need to be fixed. As long as we're talking about each other, we're not talking about the ideas. And that's why nothing gets done.

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I decided for myself along time ago that "liberal", "conservative," "Democrat," "Libertarian," etc. are all just words made up by people who don't like to think for themselves.

That is a fallacious statement because no two people are the same, so no two people think the same. Those are general definitions of someone's beliefs politically and economically.

I recently just came back to the states from Europe and even setting things like government and politics aside, Europe is far more advanced.

Well, that is just one person's opinion. Thanks for the subjectivity.

why don't you actually tell me how you would like to improve healthcare for example, what steps you think need to be taken, or even why it doesn't need to be fixed.

Easy, free markets and voluntary exchange instead of coercion from government.

Side: True

Hey..., I have a great idea!!! Why don't you move to Europe, it being so much more advanced and better than U.S. ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

Agreed. As a European, viewing American politics, it's amazingly bitter, politicized, and uninformative. Instead of seeing information about tax policies, you see 'Ryan plan', or 'Bush tax cuts'. Why the fuck does it matter who supports them, ideas should be debated on their own merit, not on who supports them or has supported them. Instead of the propaganda that so much of American politics has become, if people just looked at issues and tried to think of ways to solve them, I'm sure something so much better could come of it. Yet it just doesn't. And that is a very sad thing.

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What you propose would take an enormous amount of time that could be better spent watching "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" ;)

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Since when did accepting the status quo become the definition of unreasonableness? Progress is of course dependent on individuals and pressure groups lobbying for change, but to pursue change is not necessarily to be unreasonable.

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OliverJDH(131) Clarified
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I'm sorry - since when did not accepting the status quo become the definition of unreasonableness?

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You can edit up to the point that someone votes on your argument, or replies to it.

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