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 Human Monogamy- The natural order? Moral? (7)

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Human Monogamy- The natural order? Moral?

 Most adults can name or know of a personal example of someone having being 'cheated' on. Cheating occurs in every culture and in every part of the world, despite sometimes having terrifying punishments attached to adultery. 

 My Question is, what is our natural state? Weddings are obviously a man made phenomenon promoting monogamy, and yet, still, so many people stray. Is monogamy a box our species just can't be constrained within? 

Where does morality lie in all this?

Would be interesting to hear peoples different opinions on the matter, thanks :)

 

 

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To be perfectly honest, I think the universeality of cheating might be simply because we always in "mating season". Virtually no other animal is hormonally ready to get busy 365 days a year. But we are always in heat.

The other side is that monogamy is the best bet for a species like us. Most creatures that do not mate for life can get away with it because the gestation and maturation periods are short, or they are a species who tosses out millions of offspring so at least a few survive, or some other "fire and forget" measure. Not so for us. We have very long gestation periods and humans take forever to get to the point where they don't need frequent supervision, so it is convenient to have a drive that holds the parents together for at least a few years.

But since we are always in capable of reproducing, always surrounded by folks we can get it on with, and since we are cursed with the ability to get bored, our draw to be monogamous can be overwhelmed by certain other instincts.

Non-monogamy is only immoral if either party isn't aware or doesn't approve. I don't think human nature makes monogamy unobtainable, for certain people perhaps, but what do you mean? That nobody can be monogamous, or that not everybody can be monogamous?

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Well there are cases where some people are monogamous and also cases where some people aren't. So I wouldn't say that nobody can be or that everyone can be.

I just wonder is there an alternative to monogamy that suits humans better, and why our attitudes towards it are so fixed.

I recently read a very interesting book, putting across the point that absolute monogamy is a very recent state of affairs for our species.

That pre-farming when our ancestors were hunter gatherers, they used to live in small groups or tribes. In these tribes the author argued that they weren't monogamous at all. That females regularly had sex with different members of the tribe, and despite this, the males weren't aggressive towards each other. This was because there wasn't a need to compete for mating privileges, and also because parental certainty wasn't important.

So I suppose basically what I'm curious about, are your and others opinions on wether monogamy goes against our nature? Cheers

I just wonder is there an alternative to monogamy that suits humans better, and why our attitudes towards it are so fixed.

Well in the begginning of psychology developing, we first went at (and we still do) it from an evolutionary point of view. It was believed and it still may be, that our reasoning to keep a monogamous relationship is to make sure (at least from a man's point of view) that our children are OUR children, in essence so it is our genes that get passed down.

So I suppose basically what I'm curious about, are your and others opinions on whether monogamy goes against our nature?

In some respect it might, and in another respect it goes with it, as explained above how. Human nature is a very complex thing, I'm sure everything we do can in one sense go with human nature, and in another sense go against human nature.

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I'd like to start the proceedings by saying, I personally think fully monogamous relationships are very hard to come by this day and age.

I live in Britain and am an Atheist. I have found myself asking the question, with the decline of religion and the adherence to religious attitudes, is this having an impact on our society and the concept of monogamy?

Also with the brilliant and fast paced advances in women's rights and the new attitudes this has brought about, is it possible that people are thinking differently about monogamy than our elders before us?

Of course I, perhaps like most people, believe cheating to be wrong. But I must admit, even within my own circle of friends, the attitude towards relationships is a negative one and very cynical.

I'm very interested in other peoples thoughts on this subject, cheers :)

As I said in my original post, I believe that monogamy is born out the nature of our species (long gestation periods and child-rearing phases) but so also the propensity to cheat (always being able to be sexually active, boredom). As society has progressed, it becomes easier and easier for a woman to live safely and comfortably while pregnant regardless if she has a partner to help her, as well as becoming easier for a single-parent to raise children. It might be that monogamy has outlived its usefulness. Then again, monogamy should somewhat reduce the transmission of std's and reduce unwanted pregnancies, so its not totally without merit.

There are other reasons for monogamy, that may not be so practical or noble though. Notably a sense of possession and ownership over another person. The feeling of self-worth you get when someone dedicates themselves to you. It makes you feel like you have value.

I used to be purely mongamous. I tried to avoid one-night stands like the plague and couldn't wrap my head around the "friends-with-benefits" scenarios. I didn't judge others for those lifestyle choices, it just didn't work for me, and I missed out on a lot of sexual oportunities because of my hard-line stance since most of the women I was attracting had no interest in a comitted relationship, at least not with me. As time went on, I asked myself why did I feel so strong about this. I don't have children so even the biological imperative was irrelevent. Eventually, I decided that I would take the next friends with benefits scenario that came my way, and avoid more committed relationships until I tested other waters. And I really liked it better that way the first time. The second time though I fell DEEPLY in love with the friend I was sleeping with, but she could not fully reciprocate, so when it was all over it tore me apart and nearly destroyed this really good friendship.

So now, I realize that my approach needs to be adapted to the situation and I need to know ahead of time what kind of scenario she's looking for. The intensity of my feelings and the way she treats her romantic entanglements determines what I am willing to do and not do. And although I intend to stay flexible, I've got to protect my heart and not accept less than what I naturally desire from whatever person is before me.

I have a low research in sociology. But in my opinion, I would answer that civilization has made us monogamous

In prehistoric times, it is recommended that the superior/riches male should have as much wives as he can support. This will allow him to have alot of descendants and considering that the survival rate is low, reproduction is vital.

However, as our population grew and life-span increased, the need for reproduction was replaced with the need for loyal mates. We no longer need the rich to bear more children but we do need children whom will raised properly and will be efficient members of the society.

Cheating is an act of disloyalty and it proves that he/she wouldn't be a good parent. It is frowned upon by the civilized world.

Thats my scientific opinion without using any moral arguments. But I cannot be so sure. My research here is weak