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 If you get an anti-healthcare reform e-mail, send it to the White House? (24)

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If you get an anti-healthcare reform e-mail, send it to the White House?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/05/white-house-draws-requesting-fishy-information-supporters-health-reform/

**The White House is under fire for a blog post asking supporters to send "fishy" information received through rumors, chain e-mails and casual conversations to a White House e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov.

Conservatives have pounced on the request, accusing the White House of acting Orwellian.

"If you get an e-mail from your neighbor and it doesn't sound right, send it to the White House?"said Sen. John Barasso, R-Wyo. " People, I think all across America are going to say is this 1984? What is happening here? Is big brother watching?"

Radio host Rush Limbaugh accused the White House of using heavy-handed tactics.

"They're looking for tattletales,"he said. "They're looking for snitches. They're looking for informants."

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5 points

So the White House wants to keep its finger on the pulse of American attitudes towards health care reform, figure out what freaks us out, and presumably then not do the things that freak us out and explain that those things are not being done. Oooooooo, scary.

Asking the citizenry to forward public concerns, anonymously, to government so that the government can remain informed and in communication with its consituency is hardly "Orwellian."

Then again it's Fox, who thus far has favored presidents who are weirded out by the UPC (bar-code) scanners in grocery stores because its been so long since they actually did their own shopping. So I guess their position on the question of whether government should be "in touch" with the public is pretty clear.

Side: Reserving Judgement because its Fox
5 points

What exactly is the problem? The White House seems to be having a hard time convincing America that a universal healthcare plan is the right thing to do (which it is), and one of the reasons for this is the large amounty of misinformation that is circulating. Some of the reports I've heard regarding the proposed healthcare changes are ridiculous.

In order to keep up to date with which rumours are circulating and to then quash those (mostly baseless) rumours, the White House needs to stay informed. They're asking you, voluntarily, to forward them emails. That's hardly a big brother tactic, is it? Come someone explain to me what the problem actually is with this?

Side: What's the problem
3 points

I'd like to see the original blogpost. Seeing that this is coming from FoxNews, I am instantly suspicious of it. It seems to me that it could have been a "Send us what is being talked about in terms of why healthcare reform will be bad, and we'll refute their arguments". Basically a tool for arguing with conservative idiocy.

Anyway, because it's Fox, I'll have to reserve judgement.

Side: Reserving Judgement because its Fox
2 points

Here it is.

It is potentially worrisome, but they aren't asking you to identify where the information comes from; only that you forward it to their office so that they can stay informed. Whether that's acceptable or not is certainly worth debating.

Side: Reserving Judgement because its Fox
asdf789(350) Disputed
1 point

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

All media outlets are biased toward one party or the other, so I don't really see that as a good argument.

Side: Reserving Judgement because its Fox
3 points

I think it's sad that Obama's White House is showing it's true colors and has lowered itself to the level of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez where they ask the public to spy on their neighbors and report anything suspicious to their leaders. This is still a free country and we don't have to do that. That is anti-American and anti-constitutional. The Obama administration is an embarassment and they are not uniting our country but but dividing our country worse than it was before.

Our present health care system needs to improved, but universal healthcare is not the solution. We don't need government telling us how to take care of our selves. I feel if the Congress, Senate and President want Universal Healthcare then they should sign their families up for it too. Their priviledged!! No they work for us the American people.

Side: I'LL KEEP MY FREEDOM YOU KEEP CHANGE
1 point

According to the Privacy Act of 1974 5 U.S.C 552a what the White House is doing is illegal, they are not allowed to collect and keep information when that person is exercising the first amendment.

Side: I'LL KEEP MY FREEDOM YOU KEEP CHANGE

I just want everyone here to know that I'm 100% for health care reform ;)

Side: I'LL KEEP MY FREEDOM YOU KEEP CHANGE
1 point

What exactly is the WH trying to accomplish by doing something like this? I am also for health care reform, but not in the manner that is currently presented.

Side: They can mind their own business

Gee, maybe I'm on the A-list since I've never gotten such an e-mail. If I do, I'll forward mine to Joe so he can scan them and give me input! I've also never gotten one to ask me to do such a thing from any e-mails received from the White House or President Obama. Oh, it was FOX news, a Republican Senator and Rush Limbaugh...well there ya go then. Discounted immediately.

Side: They can mind their own business
asdf789(350) Disputed
1 point

I'd like to debate someone on this topic someday. Just because it is from fox news it is discounted immediately? So if something is from msnbc, abc, nbc, and cnn you must discount it too because they are just as biased, if not more?

Side: They can mind their own business
1 point

MSNBC is considered equally biased but to answer your question, yes, most news agencies have a bias but most not so extreme. It is well known by their reporting at FOX that they pander to the conservatives. But that being said one has to believe in something or someone which is why I read all of it from every news source including Huffington. I filter it through and decide what I believe is right...or left for that matter, lol!

Side: They can mind their own business
1 point

No, Republicans aren't turning into a paranoid fringe party at all...

of course asking to forward an email implicitly implies they will bug your computer, follow your every move, and control your emotions and actions through the v-chip they implanted in your brain through the television while Obama was giving his Union Address

No, you guys aren't crazy at all...

Side: What's the problem
asdf789(350) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with your statement. Just because one person says something does not mean that an entire party agrees with it. Rush says a bunch of stupid stuff, but that doesn't mean EVERY Republican says a bunch of stupid stuff.

Side: What's the problem
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

Show me a Republican who would dare cross the likes of Rush though... or the birthers... or the corporate sponsored looney tunes at the town meetings.

At some point not ignoring the crazies is just as bad as defending them.

Side: What's the problem
Banshee(288) Disputed
1 point

". . . that doesn't mean EVERY Republican says a bunch of stupid stuff."

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"Gynecologists won't be able to practice their love with women" - George W. Bush

"I can see Russia from my house" - Sarah Palin

"I have no opinion on Roe v. Wade" - Clarence Thomas

Now in fairness, I have met some smart republicans. Sadly, they do not appear to be among the party's current leadership or media spokespeople.

Side: What's the problem