Return to CreateDebate.comjaded • Join this debate community

Joe_Cavalry All Day Every Day


Debate Info

9
15
Seems that way. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:24
Arguments:23
Total Votes:24
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 Seems that way. (8)
 
 Wait..., what? No!!! (14)

Debate Creator

jolie(9810) pic



Is the human race devolving?

Seems that way.

Side Score: 9
VS.

Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 15
1 point

2 Timothy 03:01 .. but realize this .. that in the last days difficult times will come

03:02 .. for men will be lovers of self .. lovers of money .. boastful .. arrogant .. revilers .. disobedient to parents .. ungrateful .. unholy

03:03 .. unloving .. irreconcilable .. malicious gossips .. without self-control .. brutal .. haters of good

03:04 .. treacherous .. reckless .. conceited .. lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

---------------------------------------------

................ Indeed ... here's your sign ..... concerning the final day

Side: Seems that way.
2 points

Well you are a boastful arrogant unloving conceited hater. Just work on the rest.

Side: Seems that way.
1 point

But, only on the conservative side. The creationists are a backward people that want to go back to mythological times.

Side: Seems that way.
1 point

............................................ Evolution is a Natural Process Running Backward

Supporting Evidence: Evolution is a Natural Process Running Backward (youtu.be)
Side: Seems that way.
Grenache(6053) Disputed
2 points

Whereas creationism is the belief we were made - to be destroyed.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
AlofRI(3294) Disputed
1 point

I don't see where it is running backward. I don't see us growing gills and fins, or dragging our knuckles, or beginning to look like "Planet of the Apes".

O.K. Trump looks a little like an Orangutan, but that's not a trend.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Actually yes in a sense.

We see this in Ancient Greece

The rise and fall of a free nation. They excelled and evolved to advancement to devolve into decline.

The Bible, see some of my posts on your debate on you proving it wrong 1st, before answering.

The Bible says this

Romans

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Side: Seems that way.
1 point

All please listen to this.

https://youtu.be/FMGSwYS2IlQ

You have to get past the 1st few minutes, but still important to listen to as it builds to the content.

The author brings through a portion of Revelations and is mind blowing accurate.

He goes on to discuss survival. I haven't seen this as true, and when he gets to King of North and South, it's assumption who it is, but Babylon in revelations is very clear.

Even the Bible says we prophesy in part. But what is known is know.

Daniel says

11 The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate , saying, "Please read this," he will say, "I cannot , for it is sealed." 12 Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate , saying, "Please read this." And he will say, "I cannot read *."

The Time of the End

1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Side: Seems that way.
1 point

I'm not sure if we are devolving, it certainly feels that way sometimes but then we've always had violent tendencies towards anyone different. We just have more access to information now and can cluck our tongues and shake our heads AS the horror is happening on the screen instead of hearing about it later or not at all. We certainly are complacent about our situations.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

When a species remains alive after millions of years of change then even if it lost certain things once considered advantageous in its past (horns, size, speed, intelligence, etc) the fact it still lives is pretty good proof it was not "devolving", just adapting to the new circumstances.

There's a heck of a lot of people and we're spread all over the world. We're doing pretty well.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

exactly correct.

and in due time we homo sapiens will see our few remaining vestigial traits disappear. (If we survive long enough and do not destroy ourselves first.)

Body hair; tailbones; nipples on men will all disappear but it will probably take a few thousand more generations.

Our fight or flight response will likely remain intact, as it is still useful. Well, mostly useful. One aspect of it may disappear. Ya know how when you get scared or enter fight or flight one of the things that happens--along with increased HR, pupil dilation, and adrenaline release--is that your hair stands on end?

Know why?

This was from when we had fur--it was a trick to make us appear bigger and more intimidating to our enemies. So since we have not needed this particular physiological response in approx. 65,000 years--when we we about 70% as hirsute as one of today's apes--I think it is only a matter of time before it is selected out, genetically.

SS

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

I've never understood the use it or lose it system. If a vestigial structure does not decrease an organism's biological fitness, why would it go away?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Take whatever 5 animals you want and compare each against each other and again humans

The degree of difference should be the same degree between all 6 subjects - subjects being 5 animals of your choice and humans

Intellegence

Logic

Technology

Tools

Agriculture

Social establishment

Government

Reading

Equations

Qualities of character

Conscience

Justice

Ideas and views

Beliefs

Emotions

Goals

Memories long term and short term

Reasoning

Physical coordination

Creativity

More and more and more ....

Side: Seems that way.
1 point

No, we are certainly not devolving, as it is a biological impossibility.

A species will die out and become extinct before devolving.

So, yeah, amigo............

We are STILL evolving, as a matter of fact. Although the process is so slow that in your entire lifetime you will not see a trace of it among our homo sapien species. Far from it. It's been a full 50,000 years or so since we split-off from the Neanderthal branch of hominids--back in Northern Europe when we both met-up there after leaving Central Africa around 65,000 years ago.

And you might not be able to tell the physical difference of one of your ancestors from even way back then, if we cleaned him up a bit and groomed him and put regular clothes on him. It's been a good 100,000 years since we have undergone any real significant and noticeable physical changes.

So...100,000 years. How many generations is that? If we consider a generation to be 50 years, its about two thousand, right? So you would say "my great great great great great great......." two thousand times to reach all the way back there!

And even this is a mere drop in the bucket in geological and anthropological time. It's like a few seconds out of a full 24-hour day if the age of the Earth was condensed to being one day long.

You might be referring to devolution in a moral sense? And because of all of our values breakdowns and violence and wars?

Well, this too is wrong. We have evolved morally as well. More laws and rules and political correctness and altruism and societal rules than our early ancestors could have ever dreamed of! The Earth is also more peaceful now than it has been for most of our documented history. I have posted links to this fast several times in the past, so I won't do it again, but feel free to research this claim yourself.

A species will always evolve, through the process of selective inheritance of advantageous genetic changes, which allow them to better adapt in their given environs. It is truly Nature's Way. Plants do it, birds do it, trees do it......even the honey bees do it! LOL

SS

oh........this link will explain how DEvolution is a biological impossibility, and how the notion of DEvolution is from the gitgo based on inaccurate and erroneous scientific premises....................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology) )

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

I don't know that we are devolving so much as I feel were not improving. We are the same being as we were with Adam and Eve. Throughout man's history just really how different are we from all the generations that have come before us? Certainly technology has changed and that we are more advanced than at any other time in human history yet and still our behavior can be compared to similar behaviors starting with the Egyptians right on up to modern day times. We still have a society that requires people at the top to dictate to people who are not at the top. Sporting events which took place in arenas are still done so today. Some of the events in the past were brutal as if modern-day man doesn't have cage matches. They have always been the wealthy and no different in modern day times the wealthy and the poor. Years past there have always been bias, jealousy, greed does any of these things sound out of place in modern day times? Mankind has always been the most intelligent beings on the planet and technologically that is true but based on our human relationships it seems we have not progressed almost at all.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

I don't know that we are devolving so much as I feel were not improving. We are the same being as we were with Adam and Eve.

Well, I DO know that we are not devolving, as I explained in an earlier post above: it is a biological impossibility. A species either continues to evolve so as to remain highly-adaptive and controlling of its specific environment, or it becomes extinct. This is why a full 99% of ALL species that ever lived on this planet are now gone for good.

And Adam and Eve is a fictional couple from an allegorical fable from an old antiquated book of Hebrew Mythology. Thus....their story does not belong in a debate on a scientific topic such as Evolution.

I don't know that we are devolving so much as I feel were not improving. We are the same being as we were with Adam and Eve.

No, we don't. At least not in most of the world, where we now have governments with at least partial democracies where the people, no matter how poor or destitute, can cast a ballot that counts just as much as the vote of a millionaire. One vote! Back in ancient times there was no such thing, until the Greeks invented Democracy. At one time, it was the strongest tribes who called the shots.

Sporting events which took place in arenas are still done so today. Some of the events in the past were brutal as if modern-day man doesn't have cage matches.

Are you really going to try and compare a sanctioned UFC fight with rules to a fight with Roman Gladiators who fought to the death? Or with Christians being torn to pieces by wild animals in Roman arenas filled with cheering crowds? This is absurd. Just as it always makes me laugh when some football nut calls NFL players Gladiators. LOL.

They have always been the wealthy and no different in modern day times the wealthy and the poor.

Yes there has always been welathy and poor. But today we see sometihng called the MIddle Class, and depsite whining that it is shrinking, it is still bigger than it has ever been. And for most of mankind's history, a middle class was non-existent. The idea of a peon or a slave (which we also no longer allow!) being able to write their congressman back then was total fiction, and was deemed to be ab impossible action. Today it happens every day. The wealthy today also pay more taxes than ever before, with the top 10% of earners paying more than half of all the taxes. The rich also often create jobs, and in the past they did not do this nearly as often. They had slaves!

...based on our human relationships it seems we have not progressed almost at all.

Wrong again. The planet is more peaceful now than ever before. Google this yourself if you doubt me. Things like slavery and like kings being able to kidnap the new bride of a peon for fornication on the night before her wedding are long gone.

We have welfare and voting and medical care and technology and an abundance of food in all of our industrialized economies. And rich countries often join in global efforts to assist poor ones. This was NEVER done or even heard of for the first 90% of the time mankind has been around. The world is cleaner and safer and richer and more peaceful and smarter and more altruistic today than EVER before. You don't know this because obviously you don't read your history. And of course you weren't around then.

Again....I invite you to research for yourself anything I have claimed. And let me know if you need links to prove anything I have claimed here. Or if I can answer any questions for you.

SS

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-29/world-actually-becoming-more-peaceful-believe-it-or-not

Side: Seems that way.
wisegrip(132) Clarified
1 point

First of all aren't you one of the ones who made racist comments here because I don't waste my time with racist.

Side: Seems that way.