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Sure, why not? Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:24
Arguments:26
Total Votes:25
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Does the Constitution protect someone on the other side of the border?

Especially if they are not citizens?

Sure, why not?

Side Score: 5
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Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 19
1 point

There exist multiple Supreme Court precedents in which the court finds that the U.S. Constitution protects non-citizens (which I assume to be equivalent to the phrase "someone on the other side of the border").

One example is BOUMEDIENE et al. v. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, et al., argued December 5, 2007—decided June 12, 2008. In this recent case, the petitioners, who are not U.S. citizens, have the constitutional privilege of habeas corpus.

This is just one of many precedents in which the Supreme Court has found in favor of the Constitution protecting someone on the other side of the border.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

Your error is in using the word "someone". Someone means if we can find a single example of a person protected then your claim is disproven.

A US citizen who is outside the borders of the USA still has constitutional rights. The US government doesn't gain the ability to do anything and everything it wants to a US citizen simply because s/he isn't standing on US soil.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

Annoyingly illegals within our borders are given some rights, but fortunately those outside, no they are not offered the same protections.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
outlaw60(15367) Clarified
1 point

Would pose a question to you are illegals within Mexico's borders given any rights ?

Side: Sure, why not?
sylynn(626) Clarified
1 point

No, they are not a citizen of this country nor are they within this country, why would protections be granted?

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

No. US law only applies to people in the US. Once you live the US, your no longer bound by US law.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
The_Agonist(3) Disputed
1 point

Perhaps it is just my interpretation of the unique grammatical constructions DevinSeay employs, but, for disputation, I would posit that DevinSeay's two statements contradict themselves.

Side: Sure, why not?
DevinSeay(1120) Clarified
1 point

Apologies.

Once you are outside the US the Constitution does not apply to you.

Side: Sure, why not?
1 point

Four moonbats on the Supreme Court are ready to give it to them. The Senate needs to get Gorsuch approved ASAP.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

Of course not. If US gave rights to everyone worldwide, then Trump wouldn't have gotten away with destroying EPA.

On the other hand, FBI is given the right to hack any computer in the world. Not to mention that NSA already monitors most of the world Internet traffic.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
0 points

Are we now in the business of giving away rights to everybody ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!