As I have said multiple times, God surveys all that he has made. God doesn't focus on "sexy" people and God ignores no man. All are welcomed to his grace.
I don't see how. I'm not sure if this is a serious topic or not or if you are just looking for fun, but I do take my religion pretty seriously. I have given you my responses and I will leave it at that if that's alright with you.
But created humans and is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that in created the world as he did, he created everything that would ever be created as well. He created humans knowing that humans would create porn, and therefore he indirectly created porn.
But created humans and is omniscient and omnipotent.
I'm not sure what you are attempting to convey. Could you possible clarify your thought for me?
That means that in created the world as he did, he created everything that would ever be created as well.
Now we are talking about things that have multiple variations. This all depends on your view of omnipotence and omniscience. God does exist in all lines of time, but the Bible makes it clear what God created. Pornagraphy isn't one of his creations. It's a human creation.
He created humans knowing that humans would create porn, and therefore he indirectly created porn.
He created humans knowing humans had the capability of creating porn. If humans chose to do so then so be it. Everyone will face consequences during judgment day.
That should be, "But HE created humans and is both omniscient and omnipotent".
The words omniscient and omnipotent mean all knowing and all powerful, they are absolutes and not particularly open for interpretation. "I am the alpha and the omega", after all. Again, if god created humans and exists in all lines of time, that means he created us knowing exactly what we would do. He knew what choices we would make before even creating us. Otherwise, he would not "exist in all lines of time", nor would he be omniscient.
The words omniscient and omnipotent mean all knowing and all powerful, they are absolutes and not particularly open for interpretation.
Incorrect. Omniscience, in the sense of God, comes to a few ends.
1. God knowing absolutely everything that can be know even that which doesn't/cannot exist.
2. God knows everything as in every "thing". Meaning only all that exists since what doesn't exist or cannot exist doesn't qualify as a thing.
3. God knowing everything that can be known and what he chooses to know.
Omnipotence also varies in the same way.
1. Being able to do anything including the impossible or what cannot be done.
2. Being able to do any "thing" as in what can be done since what cannot be done, in the context of God, means it doesn't exist which no longer renders the action as a thing.
3. Unlimited power, force, or authority.
Almighty is the more accurate term for describing God as omnipotence isn't really found in the bible (depending on various interpretations of course).
"I am the alpha and the omega", after all. Again, if god created humans and exists in all lines of time, that means he created us knowing exactly what we would do.
Yes, he did. If he decides to do so. Humans still created porn. You might as well say you created poop if your fish poops.
He knew what choices we would make before even creating us. Otherwise, he would not "exist in all lines of time", nor would he be omniscient.
That wouldn't negate his ability to exist outside of time. This also depends on the definition of omniscience that truly fits God. This is still debatable to many Theists.
Again, if god is the "alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end", that would imply an existence across time, which would mean he knows everything that happens along said length of time.
And seeing as how I did not create the fish, and the food for the fish, and the water for the fish, and the world the fish lives on, that comparison is rather lacking.
Again, if god is the "alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end", that would imply an existence across time, which would mean he knows everything that happens along said length of time.
Again, depends on how you see it. Alpha and Omega refers to his existence outside of time. As he will be there in the beginning and the end.
And seeing as how I did not create the fish, and the food for the fish, and the water for the fish, and the world the fish lives on, that comparison is rather lacking
The comparison was to demonstrate how pointless the argument you are making is as God, simply put, didn't create porn, and there is no telling if God knew anyone would do anything beforehand. Making assumptions doesn't help you here. I will also end this thread. I have grown rather distasteful of our conversation.
Except it is not pointless. A being outside of time would be able to, theoretically, look into the ocean of time and observe all events. If you couple that with a being that creates all of existence, that would imply that said being created a conditions for the rest of said timeline to occur, which would make it responsible for the events that occur after creation.
If I created a being similar to a fish, created his environment and everything, then I would indeed be responsible for that fish pooping, as I would have been the one to create its digestive system.
Except it is not pointless. A being outside of time would be able to, theoretically, look into the ocean of time and observe all events. If you couple that with a being that creates all of existence, that would imply that said being created a conditions for the rest of said timeline to occur, which would make it responsible for the events that occur after creation.
This follows to too many dependencies, hence the pointless accusation.
If I created a being similar to a fish, created his environment and everything, then I would indeed be responsible for that fish pooping, as I would have been the one to create its digestive system.
The fish could choose not to eat and not poop. However the fish chose to eat and pooped. You are not responsible for that. Might as well hold every parent responsible for their children committing crimes. Again, I am finished with this thread. I will leave you at that.
The entirety of the religion and the bible follows too many dependencies, so how is following implied (and in some cases expressly stated) dependencies from said religion pointless?
The fish could choose whatever they wanted, but if I had the powers assigned to God, then I would have known said choices ahead of time, and would have created the fish's environment knowing what choices it would make.
Strictly speaking, omniscience would not necessarily include knowing the future, at all.
'Omniscient' describes an individual who is in possession of of all existing knowledge.
Knowledge is defined as facts, information, and skills acquired via experience and education. It is the result of actions that have happened in the past. By its very definition, knowledge is exclusive of future events.
Precognition is a different animal altogether than knowledge or omniscience.
All this of course disregards the fact that god need not actually be omnipotent or omniscient. Look at the times where the bible asserts god has interacted with man directly? If man wanted to know the extent of gods knowledge and capabilities and there WERE limitations on them, would men of those times even be able to understand how god communicated it? Would he be able to grasp the upper limits of what god knows and can do? Would he be able to grasp the lower limits of what is beyond god?
If the god in question exists and knows everything and is capable of doing everything that men of the time could possibly do or even speculate about, however indirectly, then just saying "I know everything and can do everything" would greatly simplify the explanation that would otherwise go so far over a bronze age peasants head as to not be worth even considering.
I don't believe in God, mind you- just playing Devil's Advocate here. Ha.
Then I suppose that it doesn't matter, in a debate without content depth, I'm just looking for the bare minimum of establishing the semantics and clarity.
