MisterGuy's Waterfall
"Keep in mind that during the last days, Bush Jr. was considering having soldiers protecting the white house."
It's not surprising the GWB was really a coward in the end. His public statements & reactions to that crisis were pitifull. He looked like a scared lil bunny to me.
"Obama has talked about a civil army.... why?"
It's not an "army" at all...just a bunch of volunteers to help out their communities.
"How old are you?"
Probably older than you kiddo.
"The media is to keep people informed and the government in check?"
Yes, the press is what's called the Fourth Estate.
"While all that are enlisted in any armed service, they are sworn to uphold and obey the Constitution of the United States"
...and to follow the lawful orders of their civilian leadership, period.
Agree & well-stated. This group of Right-wing wackos really poses no threat to anyone. They are waaay too small a group to do anything. Most of them will probably just end up in a militia group, like McVeigh & we all know how THAT turned out!
"The military should specifically spell out what constitutes a lawful order and what does not in order to keep the government in check."
That's already been done in many military manuals. "Illegal" orders should not be followed at all. All soldiers should know that by now.
"You DO NOT need a license to own a gun"
Wrong again. Fully automatic firearms of any kind (including military assault rifles) have been subject to requirements for registration by owners & licensing of dealers since the passage of the National Firearms Act in 1934. Also, AZ, CT, HI, MI, NV, NY, and NC currently all have some form of registration process for guns.
Before you happen to get all uppity about this, all of these laws are totally Constitutional:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/taking_liberties/entry5253857.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/21/
Checkmate confirmed! :)
Look, if the reason that none of our rights are absolute is because things like yelling fire in a crowed theater, having human sacrifices at religious ceremonies, etc. are viewed by the population at large as unreasonable actions/positions. Opposition to gay marriage in the USA is based almost solely on religious reasons, which is why we have a separation of church & state...whether you or anyone else likes it or not. There is no reasonable position that can justify gays not being able to get a civil marriage.
I personally am more in favor of civil unions, which, as far as I can tell, are virtually the same as civil marriage under various state laws, just because it takes the whole "gay marriage equals my church is going to marrying gays soon" (which they won't be) nonsense off of the table.
Whether gays get to marry or get to enter into civil unions matters little to me. It's six of one & half a dozen of another to me personally.
"So if none of our rights are absolute, then gays can't get married."
Huh??
"But if your argument is that the law can be changed, then Roe VS Wade can be uverturned."
Look, if you think that the U.S. Supreme Court is going to go back to the days where Americans didn't have a right to privacy, especially in terms of their medical decisions, then, IMHO, you are out of your mind...
"1. It means that the government cannot place any obstacles that prevent you from exercising your constitutional right (for example, throwing you in jail for exercising your constitutional right)."
None of our rights are absolute. For example, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater & you can't libel someone.
"2. It means that the government will pay you to exercise your constitutional right (for example, pay you to get an abortion if you can't afford one)."
This is, of course, a strawman argument...ugh...
Look, it's obvious that a lot of you "conservatives" don't like abortion for whatever reason...mostly it's for religious reasons, but whatever. The FACT is that you can't force your own religious-based opinions on others in the USA. We have a separation of church & state in this country!
Abortions are merely medical procedures...nothing more, nothing less...and they are medical procedures that all you privileged white guys can't ever get...so get over it already!
Roe v. Wade will NEVER be overturned...move on already...
"One, its against their moral convictions."
We don't get to pick & choose how our collective tax dollars are spent, through "morals" or otherwise, period.
"Two, it is not a life saving procedure"
...except that it frequently is...ooooppppssss...
"Abortion is a choice (not a necesity) that arose from the choice (not the necesity) to have sexual intercourse instead of other forms of sex"
Wrong again, abortions are protected under the Constitution, period.
"There isn't a growing need for society to sponsor free abortions"
...in your own, heavily-biased opinion that is.
"So what were you blabbering about then, huh?"
I was simply stating a FACT, which you tried to twist out of context through lies, that one of the only reasons that America's population continues to grow is through immigration. Abortions have nothing to do with that issue, period. That's just you, again, trying to change the issue that is at hand...unsuccessfully I might add...
BTW, you are the KING of the "nonsensical argument" on here Joe...don't project your faults onto me tyvm!
Again with the obsession over "Facials, blow jobs"...what is up with that??
A fetus doesn't have a "life" BTW.
Gambling, gambling, gambling...repeating the same insanely nonsensical arguments over & over & over again do NOT make them valid!
"The law states that you can legally have an abortion within a certain period of time."
No, it does not!
"Which is why people who cannot afford an abortion should abstain from sex"
...in your opinion. I can just see the GOP ads now..."Stop the poor from having sex!!" Now there's a "winning" argument!
"Lets say that I buy a house and then realize that I can't make the payments, are you going to subsidize me?"
It depends. There are a lot of people out there that were lied to when they purchased loans, and I feel that at least some of them should have the ability to try & get a judge to modify their terms so they can try & stay in their homes.
"Or is it only women who need these special priviledges you're tallking about."
LMAO! Since when are CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS "special privileges"??
"It's a one way street, right? Only women get to force other people into things, right?"
Wrong, once again, you are merely trying to shift the focus away from the FACT that women in the USA have a Constitutional right to abortions, period.
"How old are you again?"
Likely older than you my friend.
"Are you a woman?"
No, but I sure could show your "wife" a good time, unlike you apparently...lol...
"We should spend it on useful things like national defense instead of abortions"
Translation: I value the ability to make war more than I do a woman's Constitutional rights. What a surprise...
My goodness...your obession with "facials" is quite telling, especially from someone that tries to devalue the importance of sex in a relationship. I'll bet that I could give your so-called wife a REAL good time...lol...
"Are you an idiot or do you just play on on CD?"
Hey, YOU'RE the one making ridiculous argument after ridiculous argument...so don't try & project your opinion about yourself onto me.
"After she has made her choice, WHY ARE THE REST OF US RESPONSIBLE FOR HER ACTIONS/DECISIONS/CHOICES? Are women so mentally inferior to men that they need to be protected like little children? Are you conceding that women are incapable of sound judgement and that we are thus responsible to save women from their stupid decisions; save them from the consequences of their actions/choices?"
Nice try at changing the subject, but it's not working. Woman have a Constitutional RIGHT to abortions that the govt. cannot restrict, period.
"No, you can't make the same argument because National Security is a necesity"
...and so is someone's Constitutional rights!
Enough already with the silly gambling analogies!
"low-income people should settle for facials, blow jobs, etc. They should not risk pregnancy by having sexual intercourse. So they can have all the sex they want, just not sexual intercourse"
Wow, and you choose to repeat the indefensible position of limiting how much sex low-income people can have. You really can't be serious with that nonsense.
"The law currently state that Federal money cannot go towards abortions."
Obama lifted the so-called global gag order a while back.
"The new health care program also has this wording in it."
There is ZERO new wording in the new health care law about abortions.
"No, thank you for telling us all that only you and your liberal friends have the right to force the rest of us to pay for whatever it is that you guys determine is the right thing to do."
Nonsense. I could make the same argument about tax cuts for the rich, the Iraq War, etc., etc., but the FACT is that we don't get to specifically decide how our tax dollars are spent by the govt., period.
"If you are a low-income woman, the last thing you need is a baby. Since contraceptives are not 100% effective, this means that you should abstain from sexual intercourse. Facials, blow jobs, etc. are OK. The law states that you can legally have an abortion within a certain period of time."
LOL...so, low-income people should not have sex, but higher income people should. LMAO! That's some indefensible position you've laid out there...lol!
"But, by all means, try and prove me wrong. Go and get pregnant (or get someone pregnant) and then try to get a government sponsored free abortion"
Oh, by all means, I do not submit that the laws are the way that I would like them. Far from it...yet... :)
"It only falls under the health care moniker if the pregnancy is due to rape, incest, or it adversily affects the mother's health"
...in your own, narrow interpretation that is. Seriously, who died & left you as judge, jury, and executioner?? Really!
"Abortions do NOT fall under a procedure that can save a life."
Of course they do, sometimes. Many women have been saved when a pregnancy has gone horribly wrong. To put a fetus before the life of real, live human woman is simply insane.
"Based on your logic, plastic surgery is a medical procedure as well. Should it also be covered?"
Stop making the same, tired arguments again & again. NO ONE is advocating for silly plastic surgery procedures to be paid for by govt. money, period.
"When you stop trying to tell me that I am responsible to bail out everyone whenever they screw up."
Well, I've NEVER said that...that's a strawman argument, period.
"You know, liberals are like little kids"
...and "conservatives" are greedy, period.
"Honestly, how old are you again?"
LOL...likely older than the likes of you...
"Whether that means having the child OR paying for their abortion."
And what happens when they cannot afford an abortion?? You burden them with a potential child that they don't want, regardless of how the woman got pregnant in the first place??
