TERMINATOR's Waterfall
My dear Joe, you caught that one there. I was hoping somebody would see it!
I know the feeling of that guy in the second picture. That damned noise makes me want to throw the alarm clock out the window, but it does help. (this is where the ability to put in tags would help, you see, I'd add the tag "A little of both"). I set my alarm clock maybe fifteen minutes before I should get up when I have to get up at a certain time, and then try to "naturally" get out of bed for the next half hour.
Ah Joe, still with the liberal bashing even after all these years.
I'm sure the Democrats would try to tax them, if they had earthly money to be taxed. But I don't really think they're traveling the galaxy in search of employment, not unless some ultra-liberal government really fucked them up the ass with some type of extraterrestrial Keynesian system, and earth is the nearest planet that's hiring.
I know that Aveskde reads everything out of a book; he doesn't really know half as much as he claims to.
Do you really believe its a source of terrorism, because that seems like such an oversimplification of many complex and long acting social forces. How about we blame terrorism on colonialism, or imperialism, because those have to do with it as well, or how about genocide(because so and so invaded).
Muslims have been waging war against the Christians since Muslims founding.
Demonification
Demonization.
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Separation of Church and State means, to liberals, Separation of the Christian Church and State, whereas it's fine to allow the religion known to be a major source of terrorism throughout the world to fuse with the State.
This is why we've got that pesky (to liberals) second amendment!
I wasn't going to write a third argument for today - I'm cutting back, don't you know - but I decided to bite the damn liberals in the ass and write:
Boy, am I glad I don't fit any of those descriptions.
That's 'cause you aren't stupid.
Liberals are special, like everyone else.
Nobody is special; everybody is inherently idiotic and, for the most part, both useless and worthless.
That's why I hate those rat bastards. And they think they're so special. . .
I watched about two seconds and knew that it was destined to cause nightmares.
The quasianarchofascist side.
Why? Because that's my side, of course.
I think that you wrote:
"I am too sexy for your love"
I have absolutely no idea how I figured that out!
The Bilderberg Group is a league of wealthy families in control of the world.
I know I'll get Hell for this from AndSoccer16 or Aveskde, so I'll say it now: it is only a conspiracy theory. Read about it yourself and you can decide if they truly are who I say they are.
...and then doom the entire planet in the process. Smart idea.
Nukes have been dropped before. Besides, I'm still not convinced that the human race deserves life.
do you understand what mecca is.
Yes, I do.
its is a sacred place built to worship god
Wrong, it is a city which existed before Islam and Mohammed.
how would you feel if someone flew a plane into your church?
I don't go to church.
maybe some of you should stop listening to what cnn
I don't watch CNN.
and the government say about islam
If you bothered to find out who I am rather than judge me, you'd see that I am a conspiratologist and very paranoid. In a nutshell: I do not trust government.
nd actually do some research.
I have.
not only would you find that not one muslim body was found in the reckage of 911 but also that george bush was one of the largest contributers to 911.
You know what, I've never had complete belief in this conspiracy theory. I've argued for it, but I'm still not totally convinced.
there is also proof
Evidence, not proof.
that the bush and bin-laden families have been friends dating back to when bush senior was in office.
Funny, throughout all of my readings, I've never found this one.
and bush jr had lunch with the bin-laden family the day before 911.
No evidence.
did u ever stop and think huh?
Yes, I do think. Obviously far more than do you.
what did both bush junior and senior do while in office.
Acting like idiots?
create wars in some part of the midlle east.
So?
huh wonder why well it could be the fact that the bush family is sitting on one of the biggest oil fortunes in the u.s.
Why not go back to the roots of the "Oil Conspiracy"? We used to use hemp oil, and we were much better off.
Who is "They"?
If you mean the Bilderberg Group, then I must advise you that it shall never happen.
We should fly a plane into the center of Mecca!
Under regular conditions I'd recommend nuking them, but. . .
Never mind that our Constitution protects every religion, including Muslims.
Joe did not state that the government ought to destroy the building, but rather private individuals. Obviously they'd be breaking the law, but so did those who destroyed the World Trade Centers.
I opined that flying a plane into that god-forsaken building would be more. . . poetic.
I like other cultures - from their own locations. I like my own just fine.
Of course not! Nor should they be allowed to consummate their relationship. You wouldn't want miniature atheists running around, now would you?
Besides, it's discriminatory; I'm always for something politically incorrect.
Nah; they're only going to get divorced a few years later. . .
When conservatives go out, double standards and idiocy comes in.
Of course you are right, Joe; even liberals (as stupid as they may be) must bow down to your infinite wisdom.
Abuse them severely; that's the best way to ensure that they succeed you in the family business [when you are in jail].
Teach them to swear when they are young - you are never to early.
When you go to the store to look for some food that you can discreetly hide away in your deep pockets, teach them (at about the age of two or three) to sneak behind the counters and take money when nobody is looking.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: Make sure that they know and understand that they are dumbasses and shall never get anywhere in life - ever!
I don't have HDTV - hell, I don't even have digital! - why would I bother with 3D-TV?
No, I will not agree with those liberal rat bastards!
I will not agree until I can convince them the errors of their ways!
I disagree.
The people here are horrible to debate with. If you disagree, they make it well-known that they think of you as an 'idiot', or some other insult.
I do not sleep at night. I sleep in the early morning hours.
I'm pretty sure that iamdavidh and I have agreed before, and I know that aveskde and I have at least twice agreed.
So it is utterly impossible for them to have done something that you would have liked?
You've no idea how McCain/Palin would have turned out; they may have surprised you...
Of course, you and your idiotic liberalism won't allow you to even consider such a notion.
And did most of those things happen directly because of him, or did it occur incidentally during his administration?
He fixed the whole economy?
Based on how you wrote it, you implied that he did so marvelous a feat single-handedly!
I seriously doubt that; in fact, I'd give greater credence to the idea that he's a reptilian - perhaps the most laughable of all conspiracy theories!
Well, seeing as how the Midas' Touch jingle goes 'Trust the Midas' Touch!' and I most definitely do not trust that rat bastard, I'll agree with you.
Liberals are idiots.
Innocent life = expendable
Guilty party = 'They have rights!!!'
Sure; both would die anyway. Only somebody as stupid as a liberal would say 'No'.
Leather jackets are viewed as an act of rebellion - something which society seems quite adept at lauding. Whereas fur coats are used to keep people warm - in modern society, physical comfort is laughed upon.
To refer to a person as either 'illegal' or 'alien' is highly insulting; thus, it is not politically correct - and we all know how much liberals love political correctness !
Do you have a 'carry permit'? They are required in California.
So, you wanna be a modern-day Robin Hood, eh?
Darfur? Why would I chose Darfur?
I'd wanna live in northern Iceland, away from most people.
Joe, I've gotta dispute you there.
America is what it is today because of liberalism.
Zero Tolerance
Affirmative Action
Political Correctness
That's is a whole lot worse than violence. I'd sooner live in a war zone; at least there I could be free !
So that is why you've got that fattening tummy?
Where'd you find that? I read it a few days ago, but can't remember where; most likely in the Fortean Times.
Despite what happened to him, I still prefer nudity in females - it can be banned for all males, though.
For those of you who are too young, 'cougar' was a slang term for a middle aged woman 'on the lookout' for a male.
I don't think that AndSoccer16 has a sense of humor; do you?
Because there could easily be a portion - a small one, but still existent - of extremist Muslims and you never want that !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Then, of course, there are the conspiracy theorists who are convinced that this emigration out of Muslim countries is purposeful; eventually, they will 'rule the world' so to speak simply by their sheer numbers.
But the people are not limited from joining. All you must press is 'yes' or whatever option comes up, it's not like you're signing your life away or anything.
I'm a part of his community - what would be wrong if others joined?
A man with a gun will be feared. A man with a good name means nothing to the man who does not know the former's name.
The mere fact that those with hydrocephalus can lead normal lives should be enough to convince one that the brain is highly overrated.
Natural substances have been known to cure or to diminish symptoms/diseases.
My great-great grandmother scratched her leg open during the war - she urinated on it and it got better. That is an example of urine therapy.
But you are one of the few.
If I can control the reader - either intellectually, mentally, emotionally, etc. - then I am much closer to convincing them that I am right.
I know that I shall never convince you, but all show of emotionality on my part is an act to elicit an emotional response from my reader.
I've convinced people using that 'fallacy'.
He totally rejected formal theology and religion- while having no doubt that a higher power existed...
Review of Sidis' biography
"I do commit them for a reason..."
People are extremely fallacious. If I am to convince them of something, I must use a fallacy.
Take, for instance, the 'appeal to the emotions'. I will write an emotional reason to accept what I am saying, even though most who know me believe me not to have emotions.
I am not following you here. This makes no sense. I am not even going to bother to read through the rest of this. The entire response reads as if it is written by some whiney 12 year old. Also, all caps makes you right. Nice logic fail.
Your arguments on here are completely useless. All you do is say 'this is a fallacy' and 'this is a fallacy'. What's the point?
Also, I write in such a manner because it will elicit an emotional response - depending on the reader - from the reader.
that this demographic is radically different from the muslims marching and protesting through the streets of European cities.
I did not say that they were all terrorists; few are. However, they are gaining in numbers. You claimed that they wouldn't read high numbers in America.
On the other hand I might point out that, unless there is a mass exodus of muslims to the U.S. it would take many generations
Well, I did say 'generations' and that they are reproducing at several times the speed of other Americans.
I could also point out that muslims growing up in the U.S. for multiple generations are (once again) far less likely to be similar to the extremists in Europe.
Did we directly state that they were?
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!
Maybe I could ask for some actual statistics about birth rates of different demographics since you didn't actually provide any, but instead relied on unsubstantiated stereotypes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
None of the muslims I know have 6 kids in their family so until you give me some evidence I'm gonna have to call bullshit.
The Muslims I'm familiar with do.
Instead I'm going to ask you to stop being so alarmist...I mean the world's gonna end in 2012 anyway, right?
EXACTLY!
Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Hitler and the Nazis enjoyed widespread support from traditional Christian communities, mainly due to a common cause against the anti-religious German Bolsheviks. Once in power, the Nazis moved to consolidate their power over the German churches and bring them in line with Nazi ideals. The Third Reich founded their own version of Christianity called Positive Christianity which made major changes in its interpretation of the Bible which said that Jesus Christ was the son of God, but was not a Jew and claimed that Christ despised Jews, and that the Jews were the ones solely responsible for Christ's death. Thus, the Nazi government consolidated religious power, using allies to consolidate Protestant churches into the Protestant Reich Church, which was effectively an arm of the Nazi Party.
Dissenting Christians went underground and formed the Confessing Church, which was persecuted as a subversive group by the Nazi government. Many of its leaders were arrested and sent to concentration camps, and left the underground mostly leaderless. Church members continued to engage in various forms of resistance, including hiding Jews during the Holocaust and various attempts, largely unsuccessful, to prod the Christian community to speak out on the part of the Jews.
The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland because of the Church's opposition to many of Nazi Party's beliefs. Between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members, 18% of the Polish clergy[77], were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps. In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland it was even harsher than elsewhere. Churches were systematically closed, and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. The Germans also closed seminaries and convents persecuting monks and nuns throughout Poland. In Pomerania, all but 20 of the 650 priests were shot or sent to concentration camps. Eighty percent of the Catholic clergy and five of the bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; in the city of Breslau (Wrocław), 49% of its Catholic priests were killed; in Chełmno, 48%. One hundred eight of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[77] Among them, Maximilian Kolbe was canonized as a saint.
Protestants in Poland did not fare well either. In the Cieszyn region of Silesia every single Protestant clergy was arrested and deported to the death camps.[77]
Not only were Polish Christians persecuted by the Nazis, in the Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[77]
Outside mainstream Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses were direct targets of the Holocaust, for their refusal to swear allegiance to the Nazi government. Many Jehovah's Witnesses were given the chance to deny their faith and swear allegiance to the state, but few agreed. Over 12,000 Witnesses were sent to the concentration camps, and estimated 2,500-5,000 died in the Holocaust.
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Taken from: http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/
In the course of writing about something else Victor Healey wrote
some nonsense about the Catholic Church, saying, "Hitler was a good
Catholic to the day he died in the bunker, he was never excomunicated
by the Church."
In fact, Hitler rejected not only Catholicism, but Christianity in
general.
A friend sent me the following quotes from the book _Hitler's Secret
Conversations 1941-1944_ published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.
first edition, 1953, since my library's copy is missing. The book
was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-
1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback
edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are
inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was
introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul,
for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against
nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the
systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When
understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine
will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why
someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little
by little....
"Christianity the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in
conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that
it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
21st October, 1941, midday
"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the
destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to
this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same
old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of
Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed
into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest,
we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."
(p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing
more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the
Godhead into a mockery.... ....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and
Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be
the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday
"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between
National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's
possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned
with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to
the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday
"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man
who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his
imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself
deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never
come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the
disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't...
behold ." (p 278)
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The Nazi Party, thus Adolf Hitler, persecuted a great many Christians. He 'created' a new denomination of Christianity to further his anti-Semitic agenda; in doing so he warped canonical religious texts into claiming that Jesus was, too, anti-Semitic and not Himself a Jew.
Religion was, and still is, a powerful tool for the politician. Religious voters - which have long made up the majority - would prefer to have a leader who shares their beliefs, thus by claiming to be religious he manipulated the people into giving him his political power.
Prove it.
Deomcracy = rule of the majority.
Westerners have what, 2 kids each? The population is pretty much stable.
Muslims have around half a dozen kids each, at least.
The white population is stable, the Muslim population is growing radically.
They keep immigrating here; they're already making up a sizable portion of the population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
https://www.cia.
Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Hitler and the Nazis enjoyed widespread support from traditional Christian communities, mainly due to a common cause against the anti-religious German Bolsheviks. Once in power, the Nazis moved to consolidate their power over the German churches and bring them in line with Nazi ideals. The Third Reich founded their own version of Christianity called Positive Christianity which made major changes in its interpretation of the Bible which said that Jesus Christ was the son of God, but was not a Jew and claimed that Christ despised Jews, and that the Jews were the ones solely responsible for Christ's death. Thus, the Nazi government consolidated religious power, using allies to consolidate Protestant churches into the Protestant Reich Church, which was effectively an arm of the Nazi Party.
Dissenting Christians went underground and formed the Confessing Church, which was persecuted as a subversive group by the Nazi government. Many of its leaders were arrested and sent to concentration camps, and left the underground mostly leaderless. Church members continued to engage in various forms of resistance, including hiding Jews during the Holocaust and various attempts, largely unsuccessful, to prod the Christian community to speak out on the part of the Jews.
The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland because of the Church's opposition to many of Nazi Party's beliefs. Between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members, 18% of the Polish clergy[77], were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps. In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland it was even harsher than elsewhere. Churches were systematically closed, and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. The Germans also closed seminaries and convents persecuting monks and nuns throughout Poland. In Pomerania, all but 20 of the 650 priests were shot or sent to concentration camps. Eighty percent of the Catholic clergy and five of the bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; in the city of Breslau (Wrocław), 49% of its Catholic priests were killed; in Chełmno, 48%. One hundred eight of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[77] Among them, Maximilian Kolbe was canonized as a saint.
Protestants in Poland did not fare well either. In the Cieszyn region of Silesia every single Protestant clergy was arrested and deported to the death camps.[77]
Not only were Polish Christians persecuted by the Nazis, in the Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[77]
Outside mainstream Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses were direct targets of the Holocaust, for their refusal to swear allegiance to the Nazi government. Many Jehovah's Witnesses were given the chance to deny their faith and swear allegiance to the state, but few agreed. Over 12,000 Witnesses were sent to the concentration camps, and estimated 2,500-5,000 died in the Holocaust.
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Taken from: http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/
In the course of writing about something else Victor Healey wrote
some nonsense about the Catholic Church, saying, "Hitler was a good
Catholic to the day he died in the bunker, he was never excomunicated
by the Church."
In fact, Hitler rejected not only Catholicism, but Christianity in
general.
A friend sent me the following quotes from the book _Hitler's Secret
Conversations 1941-1944_ published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.
first edition, 1953, since my library's copy is missing. The book
was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-
1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback
edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are
inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was
introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul,
for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against
nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the
systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When
understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine
will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why
someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little
by little....
"Christianity the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in
conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that
it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
21st October, 1941, midday
"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the
destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to
this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same
old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of
Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed
into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest,
we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."
(p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing
more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the
Godhead into a mockery.... ....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and
Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be
the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday
"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between
National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's
possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned
with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to
the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday
"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man
who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his
imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself
deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never
come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the
disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't...
behold ." (p 278)
=======================================
The Nazi Party, thus Adolf Hitler, persecuted a great many Christians. He 'created' a new denomination of Christianity to further his anti-Semitic agenda; in doing so he warped canonical religious texts into claiming that Jesus was, too, anti-Semitic and not Himself a Jew.
Religion was, and still is, a powerful tool for the politician. Religious voters - which have long made up the majority - would prefer to have a leader who shares their beliefs, thus by claiming to be religious he manipulated the people into giving him his political power.
Iceland is infinitely more beautiful than America.
They'll be in America soon.
We should all barricade ourselves in Iceland - protecting ourselves from the Muslims as we would the upcoming 'zombie apocalypse'.
1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Sweden
4. Ireland (I've the same qualms about Britain as did Tolkien)
Only an extremely small portion of the country is inhabited. Go into the mountains, live off the land, and they'll never be the wiser.
I'd sooner go to Iceland. They've got great females, along with very few people (no crowds), and one of the highest longevity rates in the world. They've also got an extremely high literacy rate and are a very multilingual nation.
That proves for me that atheists - or at lest, some atheists - are nihilistic.
'so communists killed a bunch of people...'
It might very well be that "stupid people being drawn to religion" is also a big (and maybe bigger factor) like Aveskde says, but that hardly changes much my argument - I mean, why would stupid people be drawn by religions - could it be because it gives them simplfied answers (so they dont have to think much or train their brain)???
Perhaps they are drawn to religion because, having a lower intelligence, they can only find acceptance in a religious group?
Your friends are obviously very nice and complamenting
They are not my friends. Nobody knows me, truly. The people who think they know me best couldn't tell you the first thing about me.
That being said, I am a different person on this site. I will bring up questions just because I love to debate. You seem to think that I am stupid (you already have a bias) for questioning you. Remember one thing: I question everything. Whether or not I need to be told the answer, I'll still mention it if only to 'spice up' the debate.
Surely you are capable of comprehending that the words I used are superior to the supposed 'intelligence level' you have prejudged me of being?
Also, remember that I think faster than I can type, thus I ofttimes get misunderstood.
There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge.
-Bertrand Russell.
I love how religious people tend to pick up scientific arguments and pass them of as arguments for religious beleif
More generalizations.
(and so do all scientists)
Another generalization.
The same goes for your legue of extraordanary gentlemen.
More insults(?)
I point out the IQ relgiosity phenomena because it is well documented (been done several times by different parties) and because I love to hear the arguments that religious people have agianst it: and the arguments are usually simple minded statments about the philosopical limits and properties of scientific testing, like yours - and it seems non of you relgious lot know anything about how theorems are tested and made into sound theories.
Aveskde apparently agrees with me that it is a highly fallacious argument. Here's what he said: "It's not a very useful argument, because if you're trying to call a person stupid for believing, it doesn't work (population versus individual) and if you're trying to say that religion makes people stupid, it doesn't work (stupid people are drawn to religion, not the other way around)."
You are right about one thing. I did have to look up "audodidact"
So you are self-taught - doesnt seem to have worked too well for you
Doesn't seem to have worked well?
Tell that to the people who come to me frequently for answers to just about any subject. Tell that to the people who, after meeting me once, tell others that they must be careful what they say around me, because I will never forget anything they say.
The doubleblind experiment is fallible. If anybody dare to make the assumption that there is anything which is infallible, I shall direct them to this quotation by Jung:
"Any absolutist attitude is always a religious attitude, and in whatever respect a man becomes absolute, there you see his religion"
I am not surprised I need to explain this to a religious person but:
I hold this as a derogatory remark, as well as being highly fallacious.
In other words: Fuck you.
Do you really think you can point out a few anecdotes to topple wide ranging statistical studies
No, I was simply attempting to keep you from using that fallacy; you do mention it extremely frequently.
Is this really how poor the american school system has become
I am not American. Also, I am an autodidact (look it up, PungShiti).
P.S.
I didn't even bother reading your entire first argument; you use that 'religiosity and intelligence' thing so frequently that all I meant to do was to show you the error of your ways.
I know precisely what you meant. I simply used those names to exemplify the fallacy of your argument.
You love that link, don't you? Religiosity and intelligence.
Then, if all these people who believe in a higher power are idiots, explain the smartest people who have ever lived:
(This list includes the two people with IQs over 200: van Goethe and Sidis)
Robert Boyle
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
William James Sidis
Carl Jung
Isaac Newton
Galileo
Michelangelo
Juhann Gutenberg
James Watt
Blaise Pascal
Alexander Fleming
Beethoven
Mendel
Bach
Bacon
Pasteur
EXTREME POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.
An EXTREME POLITICAL IDEOLOGY which encouraged atheism, and thus encouraged the persecution of all theists!
it MUST have been the rap music and video games that made them go on a killing spree [in your case atheism].
Again, I've been misinterpreted.
Violent video games can lead to violence - but rarely.
That is beside the point.
Marxist Communism encouraged, or rather, demanded, atheism. For them to demand the extermination of religion, then irreligious behavior must be the cause. If they had not cared about which religion the people subscribed, then I would agree that atheism was irrelevant to the Red 'reign of terror'.
Hitler was a vegetarian by the way, I guess this means that vegetarianism leads to mass murder.
This is a generalization - I've attempted to point out (to little avail) that Christianity has not entirely been responsible for the wars it caused, and at the same time acknowledging the fact that Christianity has been partially to blame.
The Crusades were meant as an endeavor to save Christianity from Islam and the Holy Lands from Islam. The Muslims instigated the fight. (That is, if you planned on using the Crusades as a source).
His vegetarianism is irrelevant - you could easily claim that any aspect of his lifestyle leads to mass murder. However, if one's political ideologies demanded the execution of all omnivores/carnivores, then I'd say that vegetarianism was responsible.
Communism encouraged atheism.
By spreading communism they were - whether inadvertently or not - spreading atheism.
Seeing as how they persecuted all theists, it stands to reason that it was not inadvertent.
Atheists did to Christians during the 1920s-1980s exactly what Christians did to the Muslims throughout the Middle Ages.
The Muslims had been attacking the last Christian 'outposts' for centuries. What is now Tunisia had fallen years earlier, now Constantinople was all that remained of the once-vast Roman Empire.
Constantinople was being attacked frequently, and the Holy Lands had been taken by the Muslims.
(read the first two lines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Anyway, you are also mistaken about the nature of Muslims back then.
Is this about that 'expel the infidels' quote? It was not meant to be connected with modern Islamic extremists, but rather with the Catholic opinion of the time.
They were expanding there empire, but they were not the violent extremists we think of today.
Did I not expressly mention that? I believe it was in my response to your dispute in which I stated that the Muslims were attacking Europe to both proselytize the Christians and gain lands.
In fact, they preached religious toleration, and (as I mentioned earlier) lived in peace with Jews and Christians in their empire. It was the Christians who were acting intolerantly, and had been killing Jews by the thousands in Europe.
That's precisely what I've told many others - to their great surprise.
I would argue that any war fought in the name of a religion is a warping of religious texts.
I've said that to others, as well. Ofttimes I mention something along the lines of "A religion is the sum of it's canonical texts. How others interpret those texts is not the fault of the religion."
It says "Thou Shall Not Kill" in the 10 commandments and yet we see all of this violence.
That's because people - not just Christians, mind you - are experts at manipulating others. They'll always find something to justify their actions.
The cold war was not fought because of atheism.
I do not believe that I meant to expressly state that the cause was atheism. The cause was communism - however (and this is a minor note), would the rest of the world (a great percentage of the world is Christian) have feared communism as greatly as they did if atheism was not a fundamental aspect?
As I've stated before, the only atheists that killed were communists: I'm not sure why that's so difficult for you to understand.
And as I said, communism encouraged atheism. If it were not for that fact, all those people would never have been killed as they were.
Their atheism was a symptom of their communism not the other way around.
I do believe that's what I meant by 'Communism encouraged atheism'. Had I meant the opposite, I'd have written 'Atheism encouraged communism'.
P.S. Please note that this is probably the first time I've ever supported you.
Because atheism isn't a specific belief system, it's a lack of a particular belief. The difference of thought among atheists is far more varied than among christians, simply because defining yourself as believing in one particular god and following the particular tenets of a religion is infinitely more specific than not believing in a god.
So because atheism is more complicated they can't be generalized?
The term "atheist", in and of itself, tells you next to nothing about the individual in question.
In my experience it has told me quite a bit.
That's why using Stalin as an example for all atheists is completely ludicrous
And using Pope Urban as an example for all Christians is also completely ludicrous.
it's like saying that all brown haired people are Nazis because Hitler had brown hair.
Blond hair. Surely you know nothing about the Third Reich.
Stalin was a single individual who managed to get dictatorial control and decided to spread his personal ideals through violence.
And he was an atheist. One of his goals was to spread atheism, just as Saladin's goal was to spread Islam during the Crusades. That wasn't Saladin's only goal, but it was one of them.
He does not reflect the views of anyone but himself, because there is no universal atheist set of beliefs.
Neither do those religious peoples who commit acts of violence.
The argument for christians being violent,
This is a generalization, by the way.
When people act on THESE ideas, it can be directly traced back to a common source, the bible.
Is the Bible the cause of the violence, or the justification of such?
JayAr was addressing Christianity in his post. I was continuing from there.
How about that other debate about Christians, Jews, and Muslims being separated from the rest of the human race?
That thesis received a fair amount of approval. Why is it that atheists can't be treated as shitty as Christians, Jews, and Muslims? They've committed crimes as well!
I find your first statement kind of funny because it, is both incorrect, and misses the point. As I just stated, the crimes committed by atheists weren't because of their atheism but because of their communist ideology.
Their communist ideology caused their atheism.
I shall only address a few.
The Crusades
Do you happen to know why the crusades occurred?
I take it that you don't.
The Muslims were waging war all over the Middle East. In an effort to save both Jerusalem and Europe from Muslim domination, the Pope urged all Catholics to head to the Middle East and expel the infidels. Had it not been for the warlike Muslims, the Crusades would never have occurred.
worldwide oppression of of homosexuals in the name of Christianity.
...and the Muslims. I'm sure that if you look deep enough, you'll find that there are others that object to homosexuality.
The English civil war
Was between the Parlimentarians and the Royalists.
The Taiping Rebellion
...was caused by the leader of a very warped form of Christianity.
The dutch revolt (eighty years war)
Also caused by excessive taxation.
So now I ask you: name even one war that was begun in the name of atheism, not just by atheists.
The Cold War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Warsaw_Pact_countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
They number in the millions, too.
All atheists that have been mass murderers (like the ones you mentioned) have all been communists, whereas religious murderers have come from nearly every major religion, and have supported a wide variety of of ideologies.
Therefore, if you are an atheist, and not a communist then you're probably fairly pea
The crimes perpetrated by Christians pales in the light of the crimes perpetrated by atheists.
Name for me a few wars begun by Christians.
you seem emotional at the happenings in another debate.
I seem emotional? That's a first - most of the people who know me would swear I don't have emotions.
They wanted an atheist state for economic and political reasons, not as some sort of replacement (non)Theology inherent in atheism. It would of been smarter to have harvested the power of religion instead of trying to get rid of it.
Yet that doesn't negate the fact that they did want an atheist state. Christians have fought war in the name of Christianity, just as atheists have fought wars in the name of atheism !
These disputes are not in the least based on logic.
I wrote:
And, as I said, atheists have also been responsible: Lenin, Castro, Stalin, Mussolini.
Aveskde wrote:
It perplexes me when believers use this argument, because they are both tacitly arguing that belief systems cause followers to commit murder, including their own religion, and completely missing the mark that the men on their list had no religious belief system but instead political ideology, sprinkled in with a helping of misanthropy.
Yet he is forgetting that, while wars have been fought in the name of religion, other wars have been fought in the name of atheism. One'll make a list of Christians who have started wars - that's perfectly acceptable - yet one is mistaken if he tries to make a similar list of atheists. That's what I'd call double-standard and illogical.
It perplexes me when atheists use this argument, because they are trying to exempt themselves from responsibility, whereas they put all responsibility for Christian wars on the Christians.
Explain this:
Why can't a Christian use the argument against an atheist that atheists have been responsible for war, if the atheist is allowed to use it vice versa?"
Do you know the cause of the Crusades? The Muslims were trying to conquer Europe - at the time they had taken Jerusalem - thus the Christians were trying to defend their land and their religion.
Why is it that Christians can be insulted and harassed and nobody gives a shit, yet if you say something bad about a Muslim, or even an atheist, people will be angered?
This debate was a response to a recent debate entitled 'should Christians, Jews, and Muslims be separated from the rest of the human race,' or something to the effect.
People wrote about how horrible Christians have been in the passed, and stuff like that. I attempted to point out that atheists have also done bad things. What do I get? Banned and further ridicule.
Atheism was directly responsible for what Lenin and Stalin did. They wanted an atheist state, and thus persecuted all religious people.
It does correlate directly with them being atheists!
