So you would allow a woman to kill a human being that relies on her?
You mean a potential human in the making ?
Yes I would allow her to abort is this not clear to you yet ?
. Anti-abortion advocates make the jump from these cells being capable of later on forming a person to the conclusion that these cells are the equivalent of a person. I fail to see how that jump in logic is valid.
Let's take away all factors, except for that their's a human and the woman wants to kill it.
What you mean is “ let’s insert your particular view”” and attempt to force the issue
Is that not murder/manslaughter?
No , it’s merely you asserting it is and being wrong again , why is a woman not jailed for this “crime “ if that’s not the case ?
You make statements that are incorrect and assume they’re correct because you say so , why’s that ?
Why?
Her body , her choice
Excluding "her body, her choice",
Why does that upset you ?
because that response is based on nothing other than the response itself.
What a bizarre statement the response explains perfectly the woman’s position in the matters
What about the father?
What about him ?
Doesn't he get a say?
He does but his wishes are secondary to the woman’s , also I bet he only gets a say if he’s anti abortion isn’t that right ?
Or do you believe he also can only make 1 choice ?
What if he doesn't want an abortion?
What if he does ?
It's his son too,
Potential son /daughter actually
and the mother wouldn't be a mother if not for him.
So what ?
When did I say women shouldn't have any rights over their bodies?
Well you wish to deny the woman a right to abort so that’s a denial of her bodily rights ,are you now denying this ?
I’ve yet to “ get angry “ I’m amused actually , so tell me is this projection on your part ?
You get angry
And that makes you immoral,
Incorrect , I’m perfectly will to allow a woman to carry a child to pregnancy or abort making me a paragon of fairness and morality
saying women can kill their children
It’s children now , no longer a “ fetus “ or even a “baby “ your appeal to emotion is “ touching “ but Victorian melodrama does not work with me
without input from the father.
Again what if the father wants to abort is that “ input “ equally valid ?
Nothing, other than the law considering with abortion you're still killing a potential human.
The law does not say that and if your killing a human being why aren’t you jailed for it ?
But I see at last you agree with me as you’re now also saying “ a potential human “
So it’s not “ children “ or “babies “ anymore but a “ potential human “
By contraception you mean things like birth control pills, correct?
Well done Sherlock
We'll assume that's the focus here.
The giveaway was in the term “ contraception “
Contraception is different than abortion
Quiet similar actually as both are preventative measures
because it stops the potential life from existing in the first place
Exactly what abortion does as in stops a potential life from existing
. In other words, the fetus doesn't exist.
Because you’ve prevented it existing like abortion
With abortion, you're ending the fetus' life.
You’re preventing it from being born the exact function of contraception, making you a ......hypocrite
No, I actually encourage contraception for teens and those who think they don't have the money to raise a child, the same goes for adoption.
So you encourage the prevention of a birth because teens and others may not have the money to raise a child , so if a teen gets pregnant why not encourage abortion or does your hypocrisy not allow this either
No, I'm against terminating a life.
But you’re for preventing a potential child life
No, I'm pro-contraception.
Yes your hypocrisy noted
It is, read this
fe·tus
ˈfēdəs/Submit
noun
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular, an unborn human baby
Nonsense
A fertilized egg and a cloned cell represent a potential, not an actual human being. It’s a worn cliché, but it bears repeating—an acorn isn’t an oak tree and the egg you had for breakfast isn’t a chicken
Tell that to Mississippi*
I did say “ primitive “ Mississippi “ and it’s inhabitants are not exactly renowned for being “ intellectual powerhouses “ are they ?
Are you a native ?
I ask this because of your views also on Evolution , it is a typical knee jerk Bible Belt retort by American religious nuts to the Evolution is fact statement , this seems to drive a fair amount of mainly Americans insane while the rest of the world know it as fact
A fetus is an unborn human being. Let's get that straight.
It’s not , it is a “ potential “ human in the making , don’t take my word on it consult a medical text
Even if I allow for your assertion that its a “ human being “ so what ?
Yes, I do. I use your reasoning.
Another typically childish response
So, because it's inside another human being, that human being has zero rights?
Correct
and it's a woman's choice whether to abort or not
Again correct
Why does she get to choose whether or not to kill another human being?
Her body , her choice
You've yet to answer.
I keep telling you but for some reason you fail to complain smile statement , let’s try for to 50 th time ...... ready .....listen
Her body, her choice
What gives her the right, other than your faulty logic?
My logic is fine your being childish yet again , so you’re saying a woman should have no rights over her body , that makes you a bully and a tyrant
you have never attempted to address or answer what I asked from the outset
Will I repeat it again for the 51st time ?
What question did you ask? Restate the question and I'll answer it.
I asked you several questions most which you avoided by remaining mute , let’s try one of them again as in ......
What gives you the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body regarding abortion ?
should a woman have a choice to prevent a life been born or not
No.
But contraception is used to prevent a life being born so you disagree with contraception ?
Tripped up on your own logic again , you’ve admitted you’re against preventing a life to be born so therefore to be consistent you have to be against contraception , well ?
The fetus is a human it’s not go consult wiki
and a living human at that.
It’s alive but not as yet a human
I've answered your question,
You avoided mind
now answer mine
I have several times
Again, because I think that abortion is manslaughter
Merely your opinion based on your own view of the situation and thankfully lawmakers and legislators disagree with your primitive viewpoint
and more often than not abortions are impulsive.
What do you base that ridiculous reply on ?
You are
I don’t even know what this is meant to mean at this stage
Well you don't know the difference between a fetus an adult and a baby
Considering you spent the whole thread saying a fetus was a baby at last you’re starting to get it that a fetus is not a “ baby “ ,
Why you’re blaming me for what you have only eventually grasped is beyond me .
So when you use your logic to fit your narrative, it's cool, but then somehow it doesn't work when I use the same reasoning to fit my narrative?
You don’t use “ reasoning “ I’ve said from the start a fetus has zero rights to sustenance or useage of a womans body and it’s a woman’s choice whether to abort or not , you have never attempted to address or answer what I asked from the outset as you continue to do a ridiculous dance around terms , why’s that ?
Let’s cut to the chase in an attempt to avoid your childish attempts to avoid actually answering what I keep asking , should a woman have a choice to prevent a life been born or not , if not why not ?
Would you like me to use a different argument? Fine. Let me set the scene:
You're a slaveowner. Your slaves try to revolt. You kill some of them because they're on your land and rely on you to survive, so it's your choice on whether or not to kill them. Doesn't that seem immoral?
Why theses ridiculous analogies ? Is this another avoidance tactic by you ?
Why do you assume you have the right to tell a woman whether she can abort or not ?
And yet you fail to realize your own...
What a “ superb “ reply
It is
It's not
more false logic from Dermot.
You do not understand the first thing about logic
I'm not.
You are
intellect is above the bar for normality, but not by very much.
With this I agree
No "dumbing down" required, just a bit of sense from your side.
Well you don’t know the difference between a fetus an adult and a baby so blaming me on your stupidity is hardly fair
It’s only faultless when it works in your favour
Which is relatively easy when used against your “ arguments “
I’m pretty self aware , though I can’t say the same for you considering the “ arguments you’ve typed so far
Maybe I need a “ front lawn “ argument as common sense eludes you
How’m I the clown
There’s that lack of self awareness again
Your last statement is nonsense and void of implication .... what a surprise
And you say I'm petty?
Yes and pedantic also
A fetus is a human clump of cells with human features.
A fetus is a clump of cells ...... yes
I'd say it's a pretty good analogy,
It's not but if it makes you feel good that's fine
I'm not babbling,
You are
unless you consider arguing like a normal person
If your intellect is the bar for normality , I will attempt to dumb it down for you
I'm also not saying any gibberish unless you consider your own logic gibberish.
No I consider your babble gibberish , my logic is faultless
Also, how'm I the clown?
Self awareness is not one of your strengths is it ?
Also what's how'm mean ?
You're the one running in circles.
Yes , attempting to flee your front lawn gibberish
How is a fetus not a baby?
So a baby is now a fetus and every new baby you see you call a fetus , interesting
An unborn baby is still a baby.
So there's no such thing as a fetus now ?
Maybe a dog fetus isn't a human, but a human fetus is a human.
So you go around calling fellow humans a fetus
That's on you, Derm *^
Says you the pedant
You said "defending your attacks. Why would you defend my attacks?
You're making no sense again
I have been this whole argument.
No , you're still not
I meant strict.
I know just pointing it out as I know how important it is to you
Because abortion isn't legally defined as murder as of 2018.
Yes , so a woman who aborts is not as you falsely claim a murderer
I didn't say you said it, I said what your logic entails.
No , that's what your faulty " reasoning " assumes
But I don't,
You do and I'm not the first to point it out
I'm copying your logic.
You're not and you need to stop stating you use logic when the concept is alien to you
So, an unborn baby is a nonhuman clump of cells? This makes no sense.
A fetus is a clump of cells , yes a lot of things make no sense to you it seems , maybe if you run off and get your " book "and crayons we can draw you a couple of diagrams ?
Analogy, Derm
Poor Analogy at that
I accept different points of view from people who actually argue instead of spewing the same 3 sentences.
Says the clown who keeps babbling on about front lawns and contradicting his own gibberish
There is no difference, a fetus = a baby.
Incorrect
An unborn baby, at that, but a baby nonetheless.
A clump of cells
Are you not a clump of cells?
I'm a human being and all that entails a fetus is not
I have a problem with your hypocritical statements, but that's it.
Back to insults I see , back that statement up or withdraw it
But I'm making perfect sense.
Yes! You finally realised
Back to being pedantic , oh dear
Why would you defend my attacks
What the hell are you talking about ?
The definition of logic is "reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity".
Yes you should try it some time
I'm using your reasoning
You're not , you're using your faulty reasoning to force a point
assessed according to strick principles of validity to prove my point.
What does the term strick mean ?
And I'm saying that one, abortion is murder
It's not , why then are women who abort not doing life for murder?
and two, that it's okay for you to do anything to anyone on anything you own.
I never said that so stop telling me what I didn't say
It also fits your logic.
It doesn't , you need to work on your logic
Oh dear you just denied you said it
I didn't deny I said it, I denied that you said it. I know I said it.
They're both humans.
They're not unless one attributes new meanings to the term fetus and human
Do my rights as an adult Trump those of a child
No
That's because a fetus is not a child
I'm just saying the fetus shouldn't be treated the same as an inmate would be.
I know what you're saying , I disagree , in your world do you not accept different points of view ?
So, why does the fetus have zero rights "regarding usage of the woman's body"
The woman's rights should always trump any rights real or imagined the fetus actually has
^As you said, it takes two to make a fetus
Don't tell me you disagree with that statement as well ?
so if they took the risk,
Yes unprotected sex is a risk
why doesn't the fetus have any rights?*
As I stated it's a woman's individual choice not mine if she wishes to carry to term fine , if she wants to abort fine as that's her choice not mine or yours
How is that? How did two humans make a non-human?
A fetus
How do you not know the difference between a fetus and a viable baby ?
A human fetus, correct?
A clump of cells
I didn't say a human is a fetus
You did , read above
. Actually, I didn't even say anything about a fetus being a human.
You did read above
But I did comprehend the statement.
You keep saying things then denying you said them as in above , which you will now deny saying no doubt
Also, you are still insulting me.
My rule on here is if you throw the first insult you will get it back , if you play fair so will I
I don't have a problem with it, but it seems hypocritical.
Because it is
But you do have a problem with it otherwise why bring it up ?
Try using Grammarly to prove my point.
You're making no sense
and neither is yours.
It is
1, you still need to work on it.
Stop being pedantic
2, stop being petty, please.
As in pointing out I missed .... spaces , irony or what
It doesn't help your argument.
It's me merely defending your attacks , my argument is sound
By that logic, it's fine to kill anyone on my property because it's my property, my choice.
Again you're using the opposite of logic to attempt to force your point ,
According to your logic, it's fine to kill anything on your property.
I never said that , what I'm saying is it's sbsolutely fine for a woman to abort
I called your opinion on the matter as such
Right, but my opinion is still an opinion about abortion.
We have different opinions yes
it's your exact logic
It's not , your term " exact " is amusing to say the least
. insert noun 1's insert noun 2, insert noun 1's choice.
Still being petty are you ?
No, I meant what I said.
I know it fits your narrative
No one mentioned morality.
Really why are you saying you brought into the discussion then as in .......
I brought it into the discussion.
Oh dear you just denied you said it , no doubt you will deny this
Now is it human or is it not human?
Non human , unless in your world a human is a fetus , well is it ?
If not, what is it?
A fetus , this seems very difficult for you to grasp, why’s that ?
No, actually, you were the one to start the insults when you said "do you not know what that means ?".
That was not an insult as it was merely pointing out your failure to comprehend a simple statement , your incomprehension informed my opinion
As for your grammar, I don't know how you can call yours perfect,
Because it is
regarding the fact
Your “ opinion “ is not factual
you insert spaces before and after commas, question marks,
Get the space police .....quickly
and exclamation marks.
I never use them
You said her body, her choice,
Yes I did
proving my point
Ehhh no
that according to you, it's fine to kill anything on your property.
I never said that , stop lying
First, do you mean puerile?
I did , but I decided to test your pedantry
Second, I wouldn't call any talk about abortion childish.
I didn’t , I called your opinion on the matter as such
No,
Yes
it's your exact logic
It’s not
put into a different circumstance.
You mean to fit your narrative
See how it's now immoral?
Who mentioned immortal except you ? Are you on a different topic ?
Right, I know what you said. But you aren't answering my question. Is it or is it not alive?
Of course it’s alive
do you not know what that means ?
Ah , now you’re resorting to insult I see , my logic is sound you’re the one who does not know what unborn means , regarding grammar yours definitely leaves room for .... vast improvement
think you just proved my point.
You’ve yet to make one
According to you,
No higher authority needed
it's a fine comparison.
It’s not , it’s typically pureile nonsense from you
their land their choice
Their land, their choice.
More puerile nonsense from you
So is it not alive?
I said it's unborn do you not know what that means ?
If so, why does a woman get to kill a living thing just because it's inside her?
Her body , her choice
That's like saying you get to kill any children that are on your lawn.
No it's not , that's a ridiculous comparison
Tell me in law where that " special right " isn't.
Oh ok , you’ve invented new rights that are called special rights that are applicable to a fetus ?
I’m not saying she doesn't have a choice, but I have the right to call her a murderer.
Well yes you would say that but she’s still not a murederer except in your mind
A baby's been born and a fetus hasn't
Yes a fetus is still in a woman’s body , what’s your point ?
.
Nothing gives the fetus a right to be born
Correct
So what gives the baby the right to live?
It’s now a separate entity and granted human rights like the rest of us , do you really not know this ?
If a woman chooses to take the risk of having a child, the fetus has "the special right".
Really ? Really tell me in law where that “ special right “ is ?
What parents
You haven’t parents ? Interesting
They took the risk, they should live with the consequences.
They had sex got pregnant their body their choice , why should a woman carry a fetus to term her choice not yours
How's a baby a separate entity but a fetus isn't?
I think you really need to look up the difference in a dictionary because you don’t seem to think there’s any difference
How about you try letting it be born?
I couldn’t care less either way have the child or abort it’s the woman’s choice not mine
Is there something that gives the baby the right to have been born that the fetus doesn't have?
Nothing gives the fetus a right to be born
Why doesn't it have the right?
Does anyone have the right to life and sustenance from your body ? why should a fetus have this “ special right “ ?
You said it isn't a parasite,
Yes I said that
so why doesn't it have the right to live there while I live in my home?
You’ve been granted that right by your parents , why should a woman who wants an abortion be told what to do by a stranger like you ?
What gives you the right to dictate to a woman what she may or may not do with her body ?
A baby as a separate entity to a mother has rights which a fetus does not
Why's that?
Because it’s a separate entity
Does being born give you those rights?
Yes
Well, you said I was incorrect by saying babies rely on their mothers' bodies.
I said a fetus relies on its mother’s body for sustenance over which it has no right it also “ resides “ in the mother’s body which it has no rights to either
Can babies feed themselves? Can babies dress themselves? Change themselves?
A baby as separate entity to a mother has rights which a fetus does not
Well, there's a difference between the terms because they aren't the same words
Thank you for agreeing ...... at last
, but the only differences between a fetus and a baby are 1, a baby has been/is being born while a fetus is unborn and 2, a fetus is typically smaller than a baby.
I know you just agreed there’s a difference after saying the opposite
I can,
But yet you didn’t
but I didn't see the need to since you didn't either, when you said "Incorrect".
I did , I said a fetus was reliant on a mother’s body , you said a baby was also , making you incorrect yet again
Ok , leave textbooks out and maybe consult a dictionary or your nearest medic for clarification
You did say A fetus is still a separate entity
That’s absolute nonsense and you know it
Ok , so you don’t see the difference between the terms fetus and baby why’s that ?
I know the definition of a fetus do you know the definition of a baby ?
Incorrect ? But you cannot Back your objection up
I’m not using books to help my points I’m pointing out what you’re blissfully unaware of medically ,the rest of your point makes no sense at all
They aren’t different
They are thus the terms fetus and baby
A baby is a fetus, a fetus is a baby
Read above
. Size doesn't matter here.
Ok , so is an adult a fetus and if not why not ?
A newborn is reliant on a mother
I know but it’s not reliant on her body to live
Again, a newborn is reliant on a woman
I know it’s also in most cases reliant on a man as well
and by extension their body) as well.
Incorrect
And yet again, yes, a fetus is separate to a mother.
Medical textbooks disagree with your assessment as do I
They are different if not what are you arguing about ?
Regarding a baby it’s not reliant on a woman’s body to have life is it ?
A fetus if it was a “ separate entity “ then how come it’s reliant on a woman’s body ?
I never used the term “ parasite “ did I ? Yet again a fetus is not separate to a mother
So it's magically not okay to kill as it's being born?
What are you talking about ?
How's that?
???
Babies are reliant on the mother until they aren't infants, and they still have no right over her or her body,
Yes a baby has no right over a woman’s body as it’s now a separate entity
so why isn't it okay to kill a newborn?
Read above
Yes I do ; nearly every day one hears yet another account from the U S about how unfairly blacks are treated and the accounts always come from some group with a vested interest in constantly pushing this agenda ; any attempted debate on the topic leaves one open to the lame knee jerk reaction of being branded a racist
Recently I watched a very intersting documentary which clearly showed that worldwide universities and colleges are the ones who push the whole over the top P C bullshit which discourages debate of any sort on these controversial topics , it’s the new form of censorship of which I will not be a part off
Hi Marcus , neither do I , they're merely a demonstration of the typical names used in name calling in this particular case .
Offence is not given but taken , agreed , but many blacks do in fact find these terms deeply offensive .
When I was a kid we had Golliwogs and my parents used to watch the black and white minstrel show , one never saw a black man or women in Ireland unless it was a tourist ; Dubliners used to joke about the late Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy fame being the only black man in Ireland
This is so true we are the bestest name callers ever , here ya go courtesy of Wiki ....... 🙀🙀🙀
Af
(Rhodesia) African to a white Rhodesian (Rhodie).[1]
Ape
(U.S.) a black person.[2]
Béni-oui-oui
Mostly used during the French colonization of Algeria as a derogatory term to describe Algerian Muslims.[3]
Bluegum
An offensive slur used by some United States white Southerners for an African-American perceived as being lazy and who refuses to work.[4]
Boogie
a black person (film noire) "The boogies lowered the boom on Beaver Canal".[5]
Buck
a black person, also used to describe Native Americans.
Buffie
a black person.[6]
Burrhead / Burr-head / Burr head
(U.S.) a black person (referencing stereotypical hair type).[7]
Colored
(U.S.) a Black person. Once generally accepted as inoffensive, this word is now considered disrespectful by some. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People continues to use its full name unapologetically. Some black Americans have reclaimed this word and softened it in the expression "a person of color".
Coon
(U.S. & U.K) a black person. Possibly from Portuguese barracoos, a building constructed to hold slaves for sale. (1837).[8]
Crow
a black person,[9] spec. a black woman.
Eggplant
(U.S.) A black person. Notable for appearing in the 1979 film, The Jerk.[10]
Fuzzies
(U.K.) A black person. In the 1964 film classic, "Zulu", the British officer played by Michael Caine refers to the Zulus as "fuzzies".[11]
Gable
a black person.[6]
Golliwogg
(UK Commonwealth) a dark-skinned person, after Florence Kate Upton's children's book character [12]
Jigaboo, jiggabo, jijjiboo, zigabo, jig, jigg, jiggy, jigga
(U.S. & UK) a black person (JB) with stereotypical black features (dark skin, wide nose, etc.) Used to refer to mannerisms that resemble dancing.
Jim Crow
(U.S.) a black person; also the name for the segregation laws prevalent in much of the United States until the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s.[13]
Jim Fish
(South Africa) a black person[14]
Jungle bunny
(US and UK) a black person.[15]
Kaffir, kaffer, kaffir, kafir, kaffre
(South Africa) a. a black person. Considered very offensive.
Macaca, same as "macaque"
a person of black African descent, originally used in languages of colonial powers in Africa[16]
Mammy
Domestic servant of black African descent, generally good-natured, often overweight, and loud.[17]
Monkey
a person of black African descent.[16] See also Macaca (slur). It also gave rise to the racist "monkey chants" in sports.
Mosshead
a black person.[6]
Munt
(among whites in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Zambia) a black person from muntu, the singular of Bantu[18]
Nig-nog
(UK & U.S.) a black person.[19]
Nigger / nigra / nigga / niggah / nigguh
(U.S., UK) An offensive term for a black person. From the word negro which means the color black in numerous languages. Diminutive appellations include "Nigg" and "Nigz". Over time, the terms "Nigga" and "Niggaz" (plural) have come to be frequently used between some African-Americans without the negative associations of "Nigger".
Niglet / nigglet
a black child
Nigra / negra / niggra / nigrah / nigruh
(U.S.) offensive for a black person [first used in the early 1900s][20]
Pickaninny
a term – generally considered derogatory – that in English usage refers to black children, or a caricature of them which is widely considered racist.
Porch monkey
a black person,[21]
Powder burn
a black person.[6]
Quashie
a black person.[6]
Sambo
(U.S.) a derogatory term for an African American, Black, or sometimes a South Asian person.[17][22]
Smoked Irish / smoked Irishman
(U.S.) 19th century term for Blacks (intended to insult both Blacks and Irish).[6]
Sooty
a black person [originated in the U.S. in the 1950s][23]
Spade
A black person.[24] recorded since 1928 (OED), from the playing cards suit.
Spook
a black person.
Tar baby
(UK; U.S.; and N.Z.) a black child.[25]
Teapot
(British) a black person. [1800s][26]
Thicklips
a black person
The Pakistanis seem to be a most savage nation and when one reads of atrocities like the one you cited by the military it makes for very sad reading .
An annex of Pakistan seems most sensible maybe future government may take the step unless of course it's all tied up agreements that are legally binding .
Thank you for the information it's good to hear fro one who knows firsthand .
Trump is a loose cannon and an egotist what's more chilling is ihis Vice President Mike Pence an out and out nut job .
Actually there are a lot of similarities in both our countries in our struggles for independence and I remember reading an article about the similarities from history Ireland it's most interesting ....
The situation here is very complicated republicans would indeed support a united Ireland , the people of Nothern Ireland would be majority Protestant and loyalist and would resist any such change whilst the Catholics would support it .
I live in the Republic and a united Ireland and can not envisage a united Ireland anytime soon ,I often think the brits would prefer to be rid of it
A typical reply from a dimwit who seems to think he has a right to dictate what a woman can and connotation do with her body .
Refusing to admit the obvious is something you consistently do yet you accuse others of it ..... you're dismissed
Well actually it's you who fail to see that your inane argument was put to bed in my opening salvo , then again your stupidity is the stuff of legend as your daily rantings demonstrate beautifully.
American politics does not really interest me and your obsession with the democratic party shows how insecure you are .
Why do you speak of inhumanity when you think it's right and proper to tyrannise a woman by forcing your views on her ?
Only a moron like you could bring slavery into this debate because you have nothing significant to say and as usual you downvote differing opinions to yours .
It's sad that people like you seem to assume you can tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body , you mister anti slavery seem to assume it's ok for you to dictate to a woman what she can do with her body ....isn't that what slavers used to do as in tell slaves what they could and couldn't do with their bodies .. ouch 🙀
You say .. you might destroy my claims 😂 you haven't done so as yet , and this latest long winded post of yours is just more of your mind numbingly boring nonsense which actually aids you in your goal which is not to engage in real debate .....
Incidentally I think you may wish to read your opening comment on the debate topic because it does exactly what you accuse others of ....... posting utter nonsense which totally ignores the debate topic .....
Your argument is destroyed and you're dismissed
Jeffrey you told me to go look at all the great arguments you make and all the up votes you get ?
This latest attempt by you is an example I take it of your ' powerful ' debating style ?
It's extremely amusing the butt kicking you're taking I almost feel sorry for you ...... easy now I said ....... almost
The data worldwide is indeed confirming what I claim at the moment anyway , here is a snippet from an article in the Guardian ; my own brother is involved in the implementation of a scheme for a large multinational in replacing a large number of office workers with bots as we speak .....
Guardian .....
Last year, reporters for the Associated Press attempted to figure out which jobs were being lost to new technology. They analysed employment data from 20 countries and interviewed experts, software developers and CEOs. They found that almost all the jobs that had disappeared in the past four years were not low-skilled, low-paid roles, but fairly well-paid positions in traditionally middle-class careers. Software was replacing administrators and travel agents, bookkeepers and secretaries, and at alarming rates.
Economists and futurists know it's not all doom and gloom, but it is all change. Oxford academics Carl Benedikt Frey and Michael A Osborne have predicted computerisation could make nearly half of jobs redundant within 10 to 20 years. Office work and service roles, they wrote, were particularly at risk. But almost nothing is impervious to automation. It has swept through shop floors and factories, transformed businesses big and small, and is beginning to revolutionise the professions.
Knowledge-based jobs were supposed to be safe career choices, the years of study it takes to become a lawyer, say, or an architect or accountant, in theory guaranteeing a lifetime of lucrative employment. That is no longer the case. Now even doctors face the looming threat of possible obsolescence. Expert radiologists are routinely outperformed by pattern-recognition software, diagnosticians by simple computer questionnaires. In 2012, Silicon Valley investor Vinod Khosla predicted that algorithms and machines would replace 80% of doctors within a generation.
In their much-debated book The Second Machine Age, Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee argued that we now face an intense period of creative destruction. "Technological progress," they warned, "is going to leave behind some people, perhaps even a lot of people, as it races ahead … there's never been a worse time to be a worker with only 'ordinary' skills and abilities to offer, because computers, robots and other digital technologies are acquiring these skills and abilities at an extraordinary rate."
So where does that leave the professions, whose hard-won expertise is beginning to fall within the power of computers and artificial intelligence to emulate? The efficiency of computerisation seems likely to spell the end of the job security past generations sought in such careers. For many, what were once extraordinary skillsets will soon be rendered ordinary by the advance of the machines. What will it mean to be a professional then?
"We'll see what I call decomposition, the breaking down of professional work into its component parts," says leading legal futurist professor Richard Susskind. Susskind's forthcoming book Beyond the Professions, co-authored with his son Daniel Susskind, examines the transformations already underway across the sectors that once offered jobs for life. He predicts a process not unlike the division of labour that wiped out skilled artisans and craftsmen in the past: the dissolution of expertise into a dozen or more streamlined processes.
The point I'm making and you're missing is the fact that the jobs being replaced at the moment are not the ones that require manual skills as in the jobs I mention but are more office related jobs that are now beginning to make workers in theses fields redundant .
Where did you get your information from ?
Here is a piece from the Guardian .....
Last year, reporters for the Associated Press attempted to figure out which jobs were being lost to new technology. They analysed employment data from 20 countries and interviewed experts, software developers and CEOs. They found that almost all the jobs that had disappeared in the past four years were not low-skilled, low-paid roles, but fairly well-paid positions in traditionally middle-class careers. Software was replacing administrators and travel agents, bookkeepers and secretaries, and at alarming rates.
Economists and futurists know it's not all doom and gloom, but it is all change. Oxford academics Carl Benedikt Frey and Michael A Osborne have predicted computerisation could make nearly half of jobs redundant within 10 to 20 years. Office work and service roles, they wrote, were particularly at risk. But almost nothing is impervious to automation. It has swept through shop floors and factories, transformed businesses big and small, and is beginning to revolutionise the professions.
Knowledge-based jobs were supposed to be safe career choices, the years of study it takes to become a lawyer, say, or an architect or accountant, in theory guaranteeing a lifetime of lucrative employment. That is no longer the case. Now even doctors face the looming threat of possible obsolescence. Expert radiologists are routinely outperformed by pattern-recognition software, diagnosticians by simple computer questionnaires. In 2012, Silicon Valley investor Vinod Khosla predicted that algorithms and machines would replace 80% of doctors within a generation.
In their much-debated book The Second Machine Age, Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee argued that we now face an intense period of creative destruction. "Technological progress," they warned, "is going to leave behind some people, perhaps even a lot of people, as it races ahead … there's never been a worse time to be a worker with only 'ordinary' skills and abilities to offer, because computers, robots and other digital technologies are acquiring these skills and abilities at an extraordinary rate."
So where does that leave the professions, whose hard-won expertise is beginning to fall within the power of computers and artificial intelligence to emulate? The efficiency of computerisation seems likely to spell the end of the job security past generations sought in such careers. For many, what were once extraordinary skillsets will soon be rendered ordinary by the advance of the machines. What will it mean to be a professional then?
"We'll see what I call decomposition, the breaking down of professional work into its component parts," says leading legal futurist professor Richard Susskind. Susskind's forthcoming book Beyond the Professions, co-authored with his son Daniel Susskind, examines the transformations already underway across the sectors that once offered jobs for life. He predicts a process not unlike the division of labour that wiped out skilled artisans and craftsmen in the past: the dissolution of expertise into a dozen or more streamlined processes.
At the moment worldwide bots are replacing humans in the workplace I know two people actively involved in the day to day implementation of such schemes .
Interestingly the safest jobs in the future may be ones that require manual skills as in gardening , shelf stacking , restaurant work etc ,etc. as bots are not yet advanced enough to carry out these tasks .It would be most interesting to re visit the world in a hundred years time to see how much society is affected by these changes.
I remember watching the debates and the impression I got about Hillary was that she was petty and nasty , when I watched Trump and Hillary in action they looked like a pair of bickering school kids and you're on the money Clinton is universally hated
And he's even got this 👉 .....
Hyphenation: trump‧ery
Noun Edit
trumpery (plural trumperies)
Worthless finery; bric-a-brac or junk.
1610, William Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act IV, scene 1:
PROSPERO.[To Ariel]
This was well done, my bird.
Thy shape invisible retain thou still:
The trumpery in my house, go bring it hither
For stale to catch these thie...